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I think people have a right to do as they wish with their hard-earned. Any Govt that begs to differ by deliberately making car ownership prohibitively expensive, won't be in Government for long.Leon_C wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:00 pmIt depends on your long-term world view, and how technology maps into this.
Car ownership, arguably, is a pointless construct. Why would we almost universally own an item, which costs tens of thousands of pounds, and it then sits idle for the vast majority of the time. For many people, over the Christmas period, their car is going to sit, unused, for days at a time.
I don’t think I know a single person who’s car just sits there.Leon_C wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:00 pmIt depends on your long-term world view, and how technology maps into this.
Car ownership, arguably, is a pointless construct. Why would we almost universally own an item, which costs tens of thousands of pounds, and it then sits idle for the vast majority of the time. For many people, over the Christmas period, their car is going to sit, unused, for days at a time.
Instead, mobility-as-a-service - significantly more plausible with autonomous EVs, means we essentially tap into a more widely available network of vehicles-for-hire. It makes so much sense. Pay for what you use. A vehicle from a trusted service provider, usually with you in a few minutes. Cost and specification to suit your own preference.
For some, sure, car ownership may seem to make sense. But I don't think it's a universal truth by any stretch.
It won't be as popular with people who cling to the past rather than the future, but I believe that it's the direction of travel, pun intended.
Really? You're driving 24 hours a day?
Don’t let Rachel from accounts see that us older ones are a lot better off or she’ll be taxing the air that we breath .
I know a lot of my generation were in the same boat and had to use hp to by a car and back in the 70’s by the time we’d paid off the finance on the cheap runabout it had generally rusted away and was only worth scrap value and for todays generation they can by a relatively stylish hatchback stick some cheap private reg on it and it will run forever,also relatively speaking apart from the biggest outlay to buy a house things like microwaves ,tv’s and white goods are dirt cheap.
Leon_C wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:00 pmIt depends on your long-term world view, and how technology maps into this.
Car ownership, arguably, is a pointless construct. Why would we almost universally own an item, which costs tens of thousands of pounds, and it then sits idle for the vast majority of the time. For many people, over the Christmas period, their car is going to sit, unused, for days at a time.
Instead, mobility-as-a-service - significantly more plausible with autonomous EVs, means we essentially tap into a more widely available network of vehicles-for-hire. It makes so much sense. Pay for what you use. A vehicle from a trusted service provider, usually with you in a few minutes. Cost and specification to suit your own preference.
For some, sure, car ownership may seem to make sense. But I don't think it's a universal truth by any stretch.
Definitely agree with you about car economics it’s batshit crazy we have 2 cars and between us struggle to do more than 6,000 miles a year ,our costs are probably £1000 for servicing ,£450 road tax ,£1,100 insurance ,so that’s £50 per week + £25 week fuel + £100 depreciation it would be cheaper hiring a car and chauffeur.
It won't be as popular with people who cling to the past rather than the future, but I believe that it's the direction of travel, pun intended.
A car opens up vastly more career options, That's my whole point.Billyblah wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:53 pmIt's interesting comparing my Lancashire lifestyle with that of my adult children. Both live in cities....London and Birmingham where lack of land/ on street parking and also congestion charges come not play.
Neither have a car. They have access to a plethora of cheap public transport that actually turns up. Having a car would involve finding somewhere to park it and then move around the respective city at a snail's pace. There is no interest in either acquiring a car. It doesn't affect their social mobility.
In contrast I can understand younger people in the North finding the purchase of an EV undesirable for other reasons. Up front costs, beholden to dealerships for servicing with attached obscene costs, uncertainty 're battery lifetime, high depreciation...and all of this whilst paying a big mortgage..
Already exists in LA.......total Wankers!
The mercs are all around 73 KWH. It costs roughly 70p per KWH to charge at most public chargers (although some are nearly 1£ per KWH).Commy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:56 pmI was talking to one of the salesment at Mercedes. He said they had one that did 330 miles, until you put the air con, heating or radio on. He also said that electricity was dearer than fuel at the services as they have the monopoly (I wouldn't know if this is true). I wouldn't get there and back to my mothers and she would have a coronary if I plugged it in at her house.
A lot of my generation would have used a few commas and full stops. They were pretty cheap back then.Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:49 pmI know a lot of my generation were in the same boat and had to use hp to by a car and back in the 70’s by the time we’d paid off the finance on the cheap runabout it had generally rusted away and was only worth scrap value and for todays generation they can by a relatively stylish hatchback stick some cheap private reg on it and it will run forever,also relatively speaking apart from the biggest outlay to buy a house things like microwaves ,tv’s and white goods are dirt cheap.
I will stick to my diesel. I get 4p a litre off with my Blue Light Card and they sometimes throw in a double so I fill the tankNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:02 pmThe mercs are all around 73 KWH. It costs roughly 70p per KWH to charge at most public chargers (although some are nearly 1£ per KWH).
So a full charge would cost you 73 x 0.7 =51.1 pound at a public charger for approx 260 miles.
.I have a Citroen EC4 (wifes car) with a 50kwh battery with around 205 ml range in summer and around 145 range in winter. Charging overnight at home at 11p per kwh (never used a public charger as its only used for local journeys). Also we have a Citroen C5 Aircross petrol Hybrid PHEV that does around 26 ml in summer on electric only ...Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:02 pmThe mercs are all around 73 KWH. It costs roughly 70p per KWH to charge at most public chargers (although some are nearly 1£ per KWH).
So a full charge would cost you 73 x 0.7 =51.1 pound at a public charger for approx 260 miles.
There great for local journeys, I pretty much only use my EV for pottering around the local town.Bosscat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:17 pmI have a Citroen EC4 (wifes car) with a 50kwh battery with around 205 ml range in summer and around 145 range in winter. Charging overnight at home at 11p per kwh (never used a public charger as its only used for local journeys). Also we have a Citroen C5 Aircross petrol Hybrid PHEV that does around 26 ml in summer on electric only ...
I use it to go to TM on match days, a 40 miles plus round trip, and in hybrid mode it varies between 160 and 200 mpg (plus needs a battery recharge costing £1.20 overnight) so is very economical to run.
Thats why I bought the PHEV ... I love it and next yr we are selling the Electric and going down to one car (Gov have decided to charge full road tax on EV's).Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:19 pmThere great for local journeys, I pretty much only use my EV for pottering around the local town.
Anything that’s longer than an hour or so i tend to use the wife’s diesel car because charging is so expensive and time consuming on the road.
I’ve had a couple of shockers before where charging has taken a couple of hours due to ques
It won't be when Rachel From Complaints gets on the caseBosscat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:17 pmI have a Citroen EC4 (wifes car) with a 50kwh battery with around 205 ml range in summer and around 145 range in winter. Charging overnight at home at 11p per kwh (never used a public charger as its only used for local journeys). Also we have a Citroen C5 Aircross petrol Hybrid PHEV that does around 26 ml in summer on electric only ...
I use it to go to TM on match days, a 40 miles plus round trip, and in hybrid mode it varies between 160 and 200 mpg (plus needs a battery recharge costing £1.20 overnight) so is very economical to run.
You can tell how popular the idea is by looking at older people, who don't drive very far at all - purely local trips, perhaps 2,000 miles per year or less - who ditch their car and travel by taxi. It's virtually none, as long as they can still drive. Cars are so much more convenient. People who can afford cars, will do.Leon_C wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:00 pmIt depends on your long-term world view, and how technology maps into this.
Car ownership, arguably, is a pointless construct. Why would we almost universally own an item, which costs tens of thousands of pounds, and it then sits idle for the vast majority of the time. For many people, over the Christmas period, their car is going to sit, unused, for days at a time.
Instead, mobility-as-a-service - significantly more plausible with autonomous EVs, means we essentially tap into a more widely available network of vehicles-for-hire. It makes so much sense. Pay for what you use. A vehicle from a trusted service provider, usually with you in a few minutes. Cost and specification to suit your own preference.
For some, sure, car ownership may seem to make sense. But I don't think it's a universal truth by any stretch.
It won't be as popular with people who cling to the past rather than the future, but I believe that it's the direction of travel, pun intended.
Calm down KierBigGaz wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:10 pmThe leading cause of a lack of Social mobility in this country is directly attributable to anyone who is already or close to taking their pension. Anyone in that age range of folk is absolutely shafting the economy and still they demand more.
It might not be directly *your* fault, but it certainly is a collective. A collective hard on to summon up the blitz spirit of a war they never experienced and Triple lock pensions whilst the country is on its knees. Grimmers.
Cheap public transport in London? The tube is ludicrously expensive.Billyblah wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:53 pmIt's interesting comparing my Lancashire lifestyle with that of my adult children. Both live in cities....London and Birmingham where lack of land/ on street parking and also congestion charges come not play.
Neither have a car. They have access to a plethora of cheap public transport that actually turns up. Having a car would involve finding somewhere to park it and then move around the respective city at a snail's pace. There is no interest in either acquiring a car. It doesn't affect their social mobility.
In contrast I can understand younger people in the North finding the purchase of an EV undesirable for other reasons. Up front costs, beholden to dealerships for servicing with attached obscene costs, uncertainty 're battery lifetime, high depreciation...and all of this whilst paying a big mortgage..
BigGaz wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:10 pmThe leading cause of a lack of Social mobility in this country is directly attributable to anyone who is already or close to taking their pension. Anyone in that age range of folk is absolutely shafting the economy and still they demand more.
It might not be directly *your* fault, but it certainly is a collective. A collective hard on to summon up the blitz spirit of a war they never experienced and Triple lock pensions whilst the country is on its knees. Grimmers.
Is that you Rachel Start your walk earlier...Goalkeeper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:48 amThere is no flexibility on public transport. What if you want a walk up Pendle hill from Barley with your dog? No taxi will take you and rural buses are every couple of hours at best....
If Leon-C's concept of driverless cars available for hire comes in, you will be able to take your dog in one and bring him back covered in mud. There will be no-one to stop you making all the mess of the interior that you like, and someone else will have to clean it up. (Which is perhaps another reason why personal car ownership may remain popular!)Goalkeeper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:51 amThat is my point Ian. Without a car, how can I get to any local or further afield walks, particularly with a dog?
Electric bike with a basket for the dog!Goalkeeper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:51 amThat is my point Ian. Without a car, how can I get to any local or further afield walks, particularly with a dog?
