A question.
Those who tot up the number of grounds where they have seen Burnley... when it comes to Wembley, do you count old Wembley and new Wembley as 1 or 2 grounds visited?

Ta.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:36 pm

A question.
Those who tot up the number of grounds where they have seen Burnley... when it comes to Wembley, do you count old Wembley and new Wembley as 1 or 2 grounds visited?

Ta.

I’ve counted it as 2 grounds

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:37 pm

I’ve counted it as 2 grounds

Me too.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:36 pm

A question.
Those who tot up the number of grounds where they have seen Burnley... when it comes to Wembley, do you count old Wembley and new Wembley as 1 or 2 grounds visited?

Ta.

Just the 1 for me

Hmm not plain sailing here! Will wait on to see the consensus.

I think it should be 1 as it’s still in the same place

Places like Reading who actually moved sites I’d count as 2

Shappie wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:51 pm

I think it should be 1 as it’s still in the same place

Places like Reading who actually moved sites I’d count as 2

That was my initial thought.

Another Q was Wigan Athletic on the same site and what about Charlton, which returned years later and built in part of their old vast space?

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:56 pm

That was my initial thought.

Another Q was Wigan Athletic on the same site and what about Charlton, which returned years later and built in part of their old vast space?

Wigan are a completely new location aren't they?

ChrisG wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:06 pm

Wigan are a completely new location aren't they?

I thought so but can't remember! Years ago!

The myGrounds app which I know many on here use ( I’m on 151) show both old Wembley and new as two entries.
Old Wembley closed in 2000 I think.

Two grounds imo

it's one venue wembley

I have just done MyGrounds, as suggested. I could only sign up to Wembley as a Totteringham visit. Could not find it by typing Wembley.

My total (without old Wembley) is 99 in England and Wales, where I have seen Burnley play. My hundredth Ground in Eng/Wales will be B'tard Rovers! (Or maybe 101 if Old Wembley counts!)

In addition, I can add Ibrox, Pittodrie in Aberdeen and Olympiakos stadium.

Nothing compared to some, for sure, however, I am pleased to have the ton up of league matches.

Up the Clarets.

This is an important question, and one I have not asked myself before. I think I need to sleep on it, as the consequences of getting it wrong are unimaginable.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:56 pm

That was my initial thought.

Another Q was Wigan Athletic on the same site and what about Charlton, which returned years later and built in part of their old vast space?

Wigan Athletic is a completely different location.
They share the ground with Wigan Worriers.

I tend to look at it as clubs I’ve travelled to, then their grounds ie Derby one club visited but at 2 grounds.

Wembley just the one albeit my age gives it away that I’ve been to both old and new…………(and even had a bath, and a shower in the old stadiums changing rooms!)

ISpeds00 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:08 pm

it's one venue wembley

What about Tottenham then? Built adjacent to the old ground so still just one ground?

Maybe this is where the one club method comes into its own…

deanothedino wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:14 pm

What about Tottenham then? Built adjacent to the old ground so still just one ground?

Maybe this is where the one club method comes into its own…

Spurs 2
Arsenal same

ISpeds00 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:24 pm

Spurs 2
Arsenal same

Arsenal is in a different location though, not really the same as Spurs or Wembley.

Burnleybabe wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:12 pm

Wigan Athletic is a completely different location.
They share the ground with Wigan Worriers.

Yes. I couldn't remember when I first thought but then pictured that old wreck and the new one, with the rugger types. Ta.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:10 pm

I have just done MyGrounds, as suggested. I could only sign up to Wembley as a Totteringham visit. Could not find it by typing Wembley.

My total (without old Wembley) is 99 in England and Wales, where I have seen Burnley play. My hundredth Ground in Eng/Wales will be B'tard Rovers! (Or maybe 101 if Old Wembley counts!)

In addition, I can add Ibrox, Pittodrie in Aberdeen and Olympiakos stadium.

Nothing compared to some, for sure, however, I am pleased to have the ton up of league matches.

Up the Clarets.

Ian - you will find that on the myGrounds app Greece is not listed to both our Olympiakos visit can’t be recorded.

If the old and new Wembley are different grounds then what about dean court? Completely rebuilt and pitch turned 90 degrees so must also count as 2?

I class Wigan as 3 grounds !! It was when John Bond was the manager and I think we lost 1- 0 . We got that ****** before the game in the "upper morris street working mens club " , that we went to central park not Springfield

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:43 pm

If the old and new Wembley are different grounds then what about dean court? Completely rebuilt and pitch turned 90 degrees so must also count as 2?

Similar to Spurs really isn’t it

It’s 2. Nobody who hasn’t visited the new wembley will say they have because they’ve been to the old one.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:56 pm

That was my initial thought.

Another Q was Wigan Athletic on the same site and what about Charlton, which returned years later and built in part of their old vast space?

Yes and I guess Spurs would count as the same

Put them down as a 1.5!!

I think if it’s same location, even if that ground has rotated, or slightly moved (Bloomfield road), it’s the same place and counts as one.

Wembley and Spurs are one.

Complete change in location (Arsenal, derby, etc) count as 2.

If proclaiming “I’ve been to …football league grounds” grounds only count if visited whilst the team was in the football league, and still count if relegated out the league, however if you visit a non-league ground watching Burnley (likely a friendly) and they subsequently get promoted, that doesn’t count until visited in a football league or cup game, whilst they are in the league.

Simple

My thoughts are that if a ground is completely rebuilt but the new stadium still occupies part of the footprint of the previous ground then it is just the same one.

I may be incorrect but I understand that Wembley didn't change orientation when it was rebuilt. Spurs new place moved but is still on some of the site of the original White Hart Lane.

If Man Utd go ahead with a brand new building close to Old Trafford then I would consider it 2 different grounds.

I'm sure that there are plenty of other examples.

I've seen Burnley play Bristol Rovers at Twerton Park ,Bath City's ground, have I been to Bristol Rovers or Bath City?

There can't be many teams who've played in as many divisions as us over the last 40/50 years so I reckon Dave Burnley must be the fan who has seen HIS club at more grounds than any other fan

It’s two different grounds.

I count bristol rovers as three I've been to Eastville, Twerton Park and the memorial ground

Mark the Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:36 pm

I've seen Burnley play Bristol Rovers at Twerton Park ,Bath City's ground, have I been to Bristol Rovers or Bath City?

Blimey! Just lucky you didn't go to the rugby ground, you would really have got confused!

I count it as one as it was rebuilt on the same site as was Tottenham and Bournemouth but clubs that have moved
count as 2 grounds Sunderland,Bolton etc ..
I count a ground that has hosted league football as a league ground (although not officially part of 'the 92' )
quite a few presently in non-league and a few bulldozed ..
Seen us play at Southport's Haig Avenue albeit a few years after being demoted from the league in the Manx Cup ..
Odsall, Bradford hosted league football for a while after the fire, Bournemouth played a few games at Dorchester
but i don't think Burnley ever played at them ..

Bournemouth was a complete rebuild in a slightly different location to the original Dean Court.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:57 pm

It’s two different grounds.

I'm not disagreeing. But what's your reasoning?

If it's to say that Blackburn are the only Football League club to never have played at Wembley then I'm all in

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:17 pm

If it's to say that Blackburn are the only Football League club to never have played at Wembley then I'm all in

Ha ha

But they are two completely different grounds, not quite on the same footprint either and total rebuilds from scratch. Likewise Bournemouth and Spurs.

NL Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:38 pm

Bournemouth was a complete rebuild in a slightly different location to the original Dean Court.

It's virtually the same location but turned ninety degrees. Bournemouth consider it to be a new ground which it is.

Charlton New Valley...new ground?

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:50 pm

Charlton New Valley...new ground?

Not sure why you should think that. It's the same ground that they played at before they went wandering to play their home games at Crystal Palace and West Ham for a while, in fact the current away stand was there before they moved out.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:33 pm

Not sure why you should think that. It's the same ground that they played at before they went wandering to play their home games at Crystal Palace and West Ham for a while, in fact the current away stand was there before they moved out.

It was a question, based on the Bournemouth type, same site definition.

Wembley? Has to be one. The stadiums centre spot is exactly in the same spot. The stadium is in the same place and bears the same name.
Wigan Athletic I think played at Springfield Park before their move? I saw Nelson play at Springfield Park when I was around 10.
I've seen Burnley play in a number of stadium's that no longer exist.... A few from the top of my head..
Doncaster Belle Vue
Rotherham Millmoor
Maidstone United...played somewhere in Dartford
Stoke City Victoria Ground
Hull City Boothferry Park
Spurs old white hart lane
middlesbro Ayresome Park

I missed Burnley at
Huddersfield Town's Leeds Road,
Reading Elm Park
Scunthorpe United X2
Wimbledon, Plough Lane (I would say the new Plough Lane would be a new ground)
Highbury.
MK Dons national hockey centre (franchise)
Darlington Feethams
Swansea Vetch Field
Chester City though I did see our first game in the new Deva stadium)

There is probably more

turfytopper wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:01 pm

Wembley? Has to be one. The stadiums centre spot is exactly in the same spot. The stadium is in the same place and bears the same name.

It's moved, albeit not far, from the original footprint and it is a completely new stadium with the two centre spots not in the same place. But even if they were, it's a completely new stadium and having the same name counts for nothing, both of Millwall's grounds have been called The Den and they are not the same ground.

Of Wembley there is no argument at all, it's two completely different stadiums.

I use the footballgroundmap.com website thing. It doesn't let you know who you were watching, but it works out how many grounds Bournemouth counts as etc for you.

They go down as far as east sussex second tier, and possibly beyond, so I'm up to 269 now, including all sorts of non-entities that rye have played in cup games.

I'm at 226 for Burnley games - including two Wembleys and two Bournemouths

I checked the 'footballgroundmap' site and it does indeed have Bournemouth as 2 grounds ..and i ticked it as 2 after i said
it was the same ! ..
186 grounds 77 of the 'current' 92 ...

gc14 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:39 am

I checked the 'footballgroundmap' site and it does indeed have Bournemouth as 2 grounds ..and i ticked it as 2 after i said
it was the same ! ..
186 grounds 77 of the 'current' 92 ...

Bournemouth have always said it's two and rightly so. The first one was demolished, they went and played at a non-league ground for a time until the new one was built.

They played at Dorchester for a short period ..

ChrisG wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:06 pm

Wigan are a completely new location aren't they?

Yes, the site of the old ground is now a housing estate ...