Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:56 pm
On the bench for Ipswich tonight
Well deserved. He's a liability.
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Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:58 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:07 pm
About time that Hladky got a game. Did brilliantly for them in their promotion-clinching campaign last season.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:09 pm
Don't worry. Kosovan mafia will be on the case!
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:14 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:19 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:24 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:27 pm
O'Shea at right back. Never a centre-half in my book 
We had their pants down selling them these two liabilities.
We had their pants down selling them these two liabilities.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:28 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:32 pm
I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they try move him on in January
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:32 pm
Field day for Chelsea today
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:00 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:05 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:32 pmI honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they try move him on in January
All depends on the Kosovan Mafia, so he probably gets a reprieve
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:38 pm
I see it is now open season on Muric. He was excellent for us bar a few blips, let's not pretend otherwise.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:39 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:42 pm
? I don't get the joke, please explain.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:43 pm
Revisionism overload lol
He was in no way on earth crap, unless you are trolling, which wouldn't be the first time
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:44 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:44 pm
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:45 pm
Muric was a massive part of how we were promoted so impressively. There's no ifs, buts or maybe about that.
He wasn't great in the Premier League, and that's being kind, but who in a Burnley shirt was?
He wasn't great in the Premier League, and that's being kind, but who in a Burnley shirt was?
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:45 pm
When Burnley were promoted to the PL last we bought a new keeper and started him. Our fans spent most of the season clamouring for the keeper from the season before because he got us promoted and deserved it.
Hladky got Ipswich promoted, they bought a new keeper... The only difference being they got rid of him.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:46 pm
Shame, I'm a huge fan but it seems as though he can't overcome his erratic tendencies.
He has all the talent in the world, but unfortunately he can also put in a 9/10 one week and a 4/10 the week after - I thought with more experience he might be able to iron that out of his game, but it seems like it's a permanent characteristic.
He has all the talent in the world, but unfortunately he can also put in a 9/10 one week and a 4/10 the week after - I thought with more experience he might be able to iron that out of his game, but it seems like it's a permanent characteristic.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:48 pm
He’s not a good keeper at all. At no point in his time at Burnley was he excellent like you suggest. Even in the promotion season Peacock Farrell conceded less goals per game and had a better clean sheet per game stats.
Muric is good at passing and that’s it. He’s very very limited
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:58 pm
He was superb in that Chelsea game at Stamford Bridge and did give the team a lift when he came into the side last season.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:48 pmHe’s not a good keeper at all. At no point in his time at Burnley was he excellent like you suggest. Even in the promotion season Peacock Farrell conceded less goals per game and had a better clean sheet per game stats.
Muric is good at passing and that’s it. He’s very very limited
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:05 pm
If you read the Ipswich forums there are familiar themes - he's a good shot stopper but a liability. I remember him being very poor on crosses (a criticism made of him in the lead up to a few games for us in our promotion season).
I wonder at what point the tactics will come full circle and the whole sweeper keeper will be dropped as teams become too good at the higher press.
I wonder at what point the tactics will come full circle and the whole sweeper keeper will be dropped as teams become too good at the higher press.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:05 pm
He’s also had three absolute howlers in about 10 games.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:58 pmHe was superb in that Chelsea game at Stamford Bridge and did give the team a lift when he came into the side last season.
Muric is up there as one of the worst the league has seen in my opinion.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:23 pm
That doesn't make him limited, it makes him inconsistent. He has all the ability but seemingly not the temperament.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:05 pmHe’s also had three absolute howlers in about 10 games.
Muric is up there as one of the worst the league has seen in my opinion.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:26 pm
You know how touchy he is about his lad,
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:28 pm
He was better than Trafford, whose confidence was destroyed, through the season. Muric was MOM on his return and cheered from the rooftops.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:30 pm
Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:42 pm? I don't get the joke, please explain.
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Getting some of our fans to bite if you critice JT is like shooting fish in a barrel ,dont take it to seriously.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:33 pm
The way we played in the promotion season Muric was the catalyst for many of our attacks and by the time it got to Christmas every team had stopped attacking us as they were too busy defending so we didn’t need a good shot stopper.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:48 pmHe’s not a good keeper at all. At no point in his time at Burnley was he excellent like you suggest. Even in the promotion season Peacock Farrell conceded less goals per game and had a better clean sheet per game stats.
Muric is good at passing and that’s it. He’s very very limited
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:47 pm
Ok this is my last comment on this thread as it is becoming boring. The way I see it that when we won the league (the one we are in now) we won it at a canter and one of the reasons was that Muric was so good with his distribution it was like playing with 12 men at times. Think we scored over ten goals where the move started from the goalie. I can't really remember any handling or major cock ups in that season other than the goal we gave away at home to Blackpool.
When he got brought back in last year, of course he did two major screw ups, but he was also man of the match in many others. In fact his overall rating over that period was one of the best in the league.
I don't really care anymore as he is no longer our keeper, but this narrative that he was some kind of crap clown keeper when playing for us, is disingenuous at best.
When he got brought back in last year, of course he did two major screw ups, but he was also man of the match in many others. In fact his overall rating over that period was one of the best in the league.
I don't really care anymore as he is no longer our keeper, but this narrative that he was some kind of crap clown keeper when playing for us, is disingenuous at best.
Re: Muric
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:44 pm
We would’ve won the league with my wheelie bin in the netsRic_C wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:47 pmOk this is my last comment on this thread as it is becoming boring. The way I see it that when we won the league (the one we are in now) we won it at a canter and one of the reasons was that Muric was so good with his distribution it was like playing with 12 men at times. Think we scored over ten goals where the move started from the goalie. I can't really remember any handling or major cock ups in that season other than the goal we gave away at home to Blackpool.
When he got brought back in last year, of course he did two major screw ups, but he was also man of the match in many others. In fact his overall rating over that period was one of the best in the league.
I don't really care anymore as he is no longer our keeper, but this narrative that he was some kind of crap clown keeper when playing for us, is disingenuous at best.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:23 am
His clown streak literally relegated usRic_C wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:47 pmWhen he got brought back in last year, of course he did two major screw ups, but he was also man of the match in many others. In fact his overall rating over that period was one of the best in the league.
I don't really care anymore as he is no longer our keeper, but this narrative that he was some kind of crap clown keeper when playing for us, is disingenuous at best.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:24 am
Cost us more points, made more mistakes, played less games but must have been better because the crowd cheered. Jesus wept.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:16 am
Literally relegated us??
You do know that Traff was in the goal for at least 75% of the games don't you??
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:40 am
You mention the points he cost us but not the points he gained us through super brilliant saves which was something we didn't see from Trafford.deanothedino wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:24 amCost us more points, made more mistakes, played less games but must have been better because the crowd cheered. Jesus wept.
The manager relegated us not the team or keepers.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:59 am
He’s great if you’re dominating possession in every single game and playing out from the back, there’s not many better. If you’re mostly under the cosh and he needs to make lots of quick decisions under huge pressure then he’s an absolute liability.
For all we debated it on here previously, by the end of this season, who do you think will have the higher value, Trafford or Muric? It’ll be like comparing ‘The Beast’ to Nick Pope before long. Cult figures are great fun but that’s it.
For all we debated it on here previously, by the end of this season, who do you think will have the higher value, Trafford or Muric? It’ll be like comparing ‘The Beast’ to Nick Pope before long. Cult figures are great fun but that’s it.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:12 am
How about this.
Muric had a decent season in the championship playing a style that suited his confidence, but also in a team which was a lot stronger than the rest of the league and so there wasn’t a huge amount of pressure.
We bought in an absolutely full of potential, and actually already better than Muric goalkeeper, Trafford.
Kompany didn’t manage his introduction to top flight football and he played in a team playing a style that didn’t suit the fact he was a bit green. The team was weaker than the vast majority of the league and Trafford was under pressure a lot. Ultimately fans got on his back which compounded the problem.
Muric came in and was lauded as an amazing keeper. He made a few goood saves but also threw in a few complete howlers which undoubtedly cost us points. The upshot is, he’s a decent enough keeper, who’s probably a bit over confident.
For me he’s held in high regard for the fact he was part of a really successful season. I don’t really doubt he’d have lost that ‘aura’ if he’d have been number one in the 23-24 season.
I still think Trafford is in the top three of goalkeepers we’ve had since my time as a claret in 1990. Really do think he has the potential to be the best ahead of Pope and Heaton. For the minute maybe Pope edges it. Muric isn’t close to them three imo.
Muric had a decent season in the championship playing a style that suited his confidence, but also in a team which was a lot stronger than the rest of the league and so there wasn’t a huge amount of pressure.
We bought in an absolutely full of potential, and actually already better than Muric goalkeeper, Trafford.
Kompany didn’t manage his introduction to top flight football and he played in a team playing a style that didn’t suit the fact he was a bit green. The team was weaker than the vast majority of the league and Trafford was under pressure a lot. Ultimately fans got on his back which compounded the problem.
Muric came in and was lauded as an amazing keeper. He made a few goood saves but also threw in a few complete howlers which undoubtedly cost us points. The upshot is, he’s a decent enough keeper, who’s probably a bit over confident.
For me he’s held in high regard for the fact he was part of a really successful season. I don’t really doubt he’d have lost that ‘aura’ if he’d have been number one in the 23-24 season.
I still think Trafford is in the top three of goalkeepers we’ve had since my time as a claret in 1990. Really do think he has the potential to be the best ahead of Pope and Heaton. For the minute maybe Pope edges it. Muric isn’t close to them three imo.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:15 am
I do. Never saw him make those same mistakes as Muric. Killed any chance we had of staying up with two huge mistakes over the course of 2 games. He’s continued making mistakes for Ipswich too.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:16 amLiterally relegated us??
You do know that Traff was in the goal for at least 75% of the games don't you??
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:16 am
We didn’t see Trafford make brilliant saves? You must have missed Liverpool at home, Brighton away etc. Liverpool fans were saying he should be playing for England
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:17 am
Pretty much spot on.Indecisive wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:12 amHow about this.
Muric had a decent season in the championship playing a style that suited his confidence, but also in a team which was a lot stronger than the rest of the league and so there wasn’t a huge amount of pressure.
We bought in an absolutely full of potential, and actually already better than Muric goalkeeper, Trafford.
Kompany didn’t manage his introduction to top flight football and he played in a team playing a style that didn’t suit the fact he was a bit green. The team was weaker than the vast majority of the league and Trafford was under pressure a lot. Ultimately fans got on his back which compounded the problem.
Muric came in and was lauded as an amazing keeper. He made a few goood saves but also threw in a few complete howlers which undoubtedly cost us points. The upshot is, he’s a decent enough keeper, who’s probably a bit over confident.
For me he’s held in high regard for the fact he was part of a really successful season. I don’t really doubt he’d have lost that ‘aura’ if he’d have been number one in the 23-24 season.
I still think Trafford is in the top three of goalkeepers we’ve had since my time as a claret in 1990. Really do think he has the potential to be the best ahead of Pope and Heaton. For the minute maybe Pope edges it. Muric isn’t close to them three imo.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:20 am
I feel like I've gone back in time 12 months reading this thread
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:26 am
Trafford can't catch a ball under severe pressure. Pope did that without any fuss time and again.Indecisive wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:12 amI still think Trafford is in the top three of goalkeepers we’ve had since my time as a claret in 1990. Really do think he has the potential to be the best ahead of Pope and Heaton. For the minute maybe Pope edges it. Muric isn’t close to them three imo.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:30 am
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:05 am
Muric is a very good keeper, but I'm not at all sure he's PL standard and Ipswich definitely should have looked elsewhere in the summer (or stuck with what they had!)! Ironically, I didn't think either of our main keepers was PL standard last season, but that was largely irrelevant because neither was most of the team (or manager).
O'Shea is also a very good player who probably has the makings of a decent PL defender and we all saw he came on leaps and bounds in a struggling team last season. However, I'm not sure joining what was almost certain to be another confidence sapping and ultimately doomed struggle was his best move at his age and he'd have been better off playing and improving with us in the Championship for now.
O'Shea is also a very good player who probably has the makings of a decent PL defender and we all saw he came on leaps and bounds in a struggling team last season. However, I'm not sure joining what was almost certain to be another confidence sapping and ultimately doomed struggle was his best move at his age and he'd have been better off playing and improving with us in the Championship for now.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:21 am
We won 2 games with Muric in goal. Brentford home, when Brentford gave us a penalty and had a man sent off after 4 minutes; and Sheffield United away, who were losing by 3+ to everyone at the time. Neither victory was because of the change of keeper. At best, he won us the odd point from a draw; but he certainly cost us 2 against Brighton and more than likely cost us 1 at Everton. He was no significant improvement, in terms of points won, on Trafford.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:24 am
And we conceded against Sheff Utd. Beat them by more with a clean sheet when Traff played.dsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:21 amWe won 2 games with Muric in goal. Brentford home, when Brentford gave us a penalty and had a man sent off after 4 minutes; and Sheffield United away, who were losing by 3+ to everyone at the time. Neither victory was because of the change of keeper. At best, he won us the odd point from a draw; but he certainly cost us 2 against Brighton and more than likely cost us 1 at Everton. He was no significant improvement, in terms of points won, on Trafford.
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:54 am
I was very pro muric last season because I didn’t feel like goalkeeper was a position that needed changing. If you spend 15m on a new keeper then you we had to let Muric leave because it was always going to cause a divide between fans.
The style of play last season would have suited Muric much more than Trafford. Kompany set both keepers up to fail, by starting Trafford to begin with and then by bringing Muric in when he did. People can’t say the games we won weren’t to do with Muric, because against Brentford and sheff united he made some crucial saves. Thats like saying the saves Trafford made away at Brighton didn’t help towards a point.
If we were to go up under Parker this season I would be much more confident in Trafford as a keeper then muric due to the style we are playing
The style of play last season would have suited Muric much more than Trafford. Kompany set both keepers up to fail, by starting Trafford to begin with and then by bringing Muric in when he did. People can’t say the games we won weren’t to do with Muric, because against Brentford and sheff united he made some crucial saves. Thats like saying the saves Trafford made away at Brighton didn’t help towards a point.
If we were to go up under Parker this season I would be much more confident in Trafford as a keeper then muric due to the style we are playing
Re: Muric
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:57 am
Imagine thinking football works like that.deanothedino wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:24 amAnd we conceded against Sheff Utd. Beat them by more with a clean sheet when Traff played.