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What good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.
Yes they would.Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:27 pmWhat good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.
I like the sound of that.
They do eventually it depends how busy they are. If anything the police are even more compelled to turn up once that happens. Any member of the general public can't be expected to detain any potential offender for any great length of time due to the possibility of aggression resisting arrest.Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:27 pmWhat good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.
Obviously deterrent and punishment is part of any law & order solution, but it might be more cost efficient to consider and manage the cause of widespread shoplifting rather than opting for 'whack a mole' approach of employing a huge police force to patrol the streets, doubling the capacity of the prosecution service to deal with all the occurrences and building a load more jails to throw people in only for them to offend again on their release a few months later.beddie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:53 pmUntil we have a much larger Police Force and have them visible on the streets it’s going to continue. We just don’t have proper deterrents. We need more jails built and long sentences, (none of this serving half your time) that might make some think twice before they commit crime. Going back to the original topic I bet if walked into my local Aldi and picked up what I want then tried to walk out I’d be challenged. As for the Police attending I intend to ask that question.
That wouldn't solve anything. If we are talking about the reasoning why people commit crime such as drugs particularly the harder drugs such as heroin. Withdrawing off heroin is probably far more painful than somebody beating them up & telling them not to do it again.
Yeah, and this is why I said the call handler will tell you, in no uncertain terms, to let shoplifters go. I'm speaking from experience here. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, because I'm not getting into a tennis match.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:45 pmAny member of the general public can't be expected to detain any potential offender for any great length of time due to the possibility of aggression resisting arrest.
I'm liking your softly softly approach more carrot than stick.
I watch a lot of stings such as the online children protection teams that turn up on the doorsteps & sometimes have to do citizens arrests to stop evidence being destroyed. The police always turn up the only difference is the evidence is already there.Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:16 pmYeah, and this is why I said the call handler will tell you, in no uncertain terms, to let shoplifters go. I'm speaking from experience here. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, because I'm not getting into a tennis match.
And this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:26 pmI work in retail and the police are not interested, they just tell you to send in footage and nothing happens.
This is very true.ClaretFelix wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:52 pmAnd this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.
Exactly this! It would probably be deemed an infringement of the shoplifters human rights, and inevitably there would be a kerfuffle leading to you being done for assault. God this country has become soft!bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:13 pmI like the sound of that.
Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.
Cheers.
"We'll never see him again" oh yes you will it just won't be straightaway & not in the same name. This country offers far too much for people to leave it permanently.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:55 pmWe’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.
We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.
We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.
The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.
Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.
Yup welcome to Sir Keirs lawless Britain, but tbf, similar to the Britain previously 'managed' by Rishi, Boris...and errr, Liz.bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:13 pmI like the sound of that.
Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.
Cheers.
Make a citizen's arrest and let's say there's a bit of a struggle and the person you are tying to detain twists an ankle, or whatever - you'll probably end up getting your arsed sued off by some no-win-no-fee chancers.
Really? It's a way of life for some people.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:25 pmInevitable cause of cutting benefits and unemployment
Section 3 Criminal Law Act.bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:13 pmI like the sound of that.
Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.
Cheers.
Nah these lowlifes have no interest in being productive members of society. Happy to take take take. Wastes of oxygen. Makes me skin crawl walking through Burnley town centre these daysWoodleyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:25 pmInevitable cause of cutting benefits and unemployment
I don't steal from anyone!!!Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:57 pmI've got a lot of sympathy for shoplifters as the majority have been let down by society and are just doing what they can to survive
Providing the don't use violence and threatening behaviour and stick to big businesses then good luck to them I say.
It's the corrupt and greedy super rich brigade that play the system and steal from us all that riles me but noone seems to care about that
Yeah, some of the footage you get is like watching through frosted glass - wouldn't recognise your own mother on it and it certainly won't provide any facial recognition results.ClaretFelix wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:52 pmAnd this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.
Really ?ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:50 pmStealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.
Dent their profits where you can.
Really? Send me your address, I'll empty your houseClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:50 pmStealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.
Dent their profits where you can.
You have my sympathy in trying to carry out an impossible job, but having to have a smile on your face for your normal day to day duties.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:55 pmWe’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.
We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.
We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.
The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.
Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.
We’ve had some stupid posts on this forum but this is No ONE.ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:50 pmStealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.
Dent their profits where you can.
So, just to summarise, a shoplifter stole some meat and the Co-Op made a hash of it.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:58 pmThis is very true.
The worst offenders where I am is the Co-op. They don’t know how to work their CCTV machines, they provide insufficient footage, they don’t respond to emails etc.
We detained a shoplifter in the Co-Op 2 days ago and staff told us he had been in over the weekend stealing meat. They couldn’t find the footage, made no record of what he had stolen- basically didn’t collate any evidence.
We had no choice but to let him go.
That’s a cornybeef joke.kentonclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:23 pmSo, just to summarise, a shoplifter stole some meat and the Co-Op made a hash of it.
Don’t worry, Two-Tier-Keir will invite him back in again.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:55 pmWe’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.
We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.
We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.
The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.
Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.
That’s an Offel joke.Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:56 pmMy local butcher detained a shoplifter who tried to nick a rabbit pie, and when the police came, they told him to hop it.