Shoplifting

[Boss Hogg]

I know there was an old thread in this but just caught another one today in the act locally. Could tell he was about to do it told the people on the tills and they just say the police have told them not to approach them and they get them all the time. Would the police be interested if we all just take what we want when we want it ?

[Rileybobs]

Did the person on the till say they were told not to report it to the police, or just not to approach the criminals?

[TheFamilyCat]

Why didn't you make a citizen's arrest?

[Boss Hogg]

They said if they report it the police aren’t interested and don’t/ won’t do anything. They’ve been told not to approach them. So it will carry on. Everyone else pays higher prices to cover the expected losses from inaction.

[Clovius Boofus]

Why didn't you make a citizen's arrest?

What good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.

[Clovius Boofus]

To be frank, the police call handler would tell you, in no uncertain terms, to let them go.

[RMutt]

I thought this was going to be a hobby thread like the metal detecting one.

[beddie]

Until we have a much larger Police Force and have them visible on the streets it’s going to continue. We just don’t have proper deterrents. We need more jails built and long sentences, (none of this serving half your time) that might make some think twice before they commit crime. Going back to the original topic I bet if walked into my local Aldi and picked up what I want then tried to walk out I’d be challenged. As for the Police attending I intend to ask that question.

[ClaretFelix]

What good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.

Yes they would.
But as everybody knows, they are being stretched even more and all deployments from calls for service are assessed on current risk posed. Just because they don't always come out on blue lights every time, doesn't mean they don't deal with it.
Quite the opposite in fact, scrutiny by the government through HMICFRS means they deal with a hell of a lot more than they used to.

[bobinho]

Why didn't you make a citizen's arrest?

I like the sound of that.

Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.

Cheers.

[claretcarrot93]

I work in retail and the police are not interested, they just tell you to send in footage and nothing happens.

[Jakubclaret]

What good would that do? The police still wouldn't turn up.

They do eventually it depends how busy they are. If anything the police are even more compelled to turn up once that happens. Any member of the general public can't be expected to detain any potential offender for any great length of time due to the possibility of aggression resisting arrest.

[Bacchus]

Until we have a much larger Police Force and have them visible on the streets it’s going to continue. We just don’t have proper deterrents. We need more jails built and long sentences, (none of this serving half your time) that might make some think twice before they commit crime. Going back to the original topic I bet if walked into my local Aldi and picked up what I want then tried to walk out I’d be challenged. As for the Police attending I intend to ask that question.

Obviously deterrent and punishment is part of any law & order solution, but it might be more cost efficient to consider and manage the cause of widespread shoplifting rather than opting for 'whack a mole' approach of employing a huge police force to patrol the streets, doubling the capacity of the prosecution service to deal with all the occurrences and building a load more jails to throw people in only for them to offend again on their release a few months later.

[GetIntoEm]

People should start caving shoplifters heads in. Maybe then they'll snap out of the smack induced state and sort their lives out. Sub human ****. Can't stand the fact that people know there's no punishment for committing crime

[get stuck in tracy]

Letting these people get away with petty crime just encourages them to keep going or up the ante. Not disimilar to modern day refereeing, allowing throw ins to be take 10 yds. up pitch, goalkeepers time waisting , faining injury. Just bloody book them /charge them.

[Jakubclaret]

People should start caving shoplifters heads in. Maybe then they'll snap out of the smack induced state and sort their lives out. Sub human ****. Can't stand the fact that people know there's no punishment for committing crime

That wouldn't solve anything. If we are talking about the reasoning why people commit crime such as drugs particularly the harder drugs such as heroin. Withdrawing off heroin is probably far more painful than somebody beating them up & telling them not to do it again.

[Clovius Boofus]

Any member of the general public can't be expected to detain any potential offender for any great length of time due to the possibility of aggression resisting arrest.

Yeah, and this is why I said the call handler will tell you, in no uncertain terms, to let shoplifters go. I'm speaking from experience here. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, because I'm not getting into a tennis match.

[bodge]

People should start caving shoplifters heads in. Maybe then they'll snap out of the smack induced state and sort their lives out. Sub human ****. Can't stand the fact that people know there's no punishment for committing crime

I'm liking your softly softly approach more carrot than stick.

[Jakubclaret]

Yeah, and this is why I said the call handler will tell you, in no uncertain terms, to let shoplifters go. I'm speaking from experience here. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, because I'm not getting into a tennis match.

I watch a lot of stings such as the online children protection teams that turn up on the doorsteps & sometimes have to do citizens arrests to stop evidence being destroyed. The police always turn up the only difference is the evidence is already there.

[GetIntoEm]

I'm liking your softly softly approach more carrot than stick.

The time has gone for softly softly. Round up all the crack heads and lock em up in Kierby hotel until their addiction wears off or die

The town will prosper

[ClaretFelix]

I work in retail and the police are not interested, they just tell you to send in footage and nothing happens.

And this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.

[TsarBomba]

We’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.

We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.

We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.

The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.

Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.

[TsarBomba]

And this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.

This is very true.

The worst offenders where I am is the Co-op. They don’t know how to work their CCTV machines, they provide insufficient footage, they don’t respond to emails etc.

We detained a shoplifter in the Co-Op 2 days ago and staff told us he had been in over the weekend stealing meat. They couldn’t find the footage, made no record of what he had stolen- basically didn’t collate any evidence.

We had no choice but to let him go.

[Anonymous Claret]

It's only a bit of shoplifting. Who cares? Let's go after the real criminals like this lady.

https://www.channel4.com/news/scottish- ... rotest-law

[HitchinClaret]

The time has gone for softly softly. Round up all the crack heads and lock em up in Kierby hotel until their addiction wears off or die

The town will prosper

Steady on, they may be scumbags but the kierby is surely punishment too far!

[Ampth7]

I like the sound of that.

Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.

Cheers.

Exactly this! It would probably be deemed an infringement of the shoplifters human rights, and inevitably there would be a kerfuffle leading to you being done for assault. God this country has become soft!

[Jakubclaret]

We’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.

We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.

We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.

The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.

Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.

"We'll never see him again" oh yes you will it just won't be straightaway & not in the same name. This country offers far too much for people to leave it permanently.

[Billyblah]

I like the sound of that.

Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.

Cheers.

Yup welcome to Sir Keirs lawless Britain, but tbf, similar to the Britain previously 'managed' by Rishi, Boris...and errr, Liz.

[Woodleyclaret]

Inevitable cause of cutting benefits and unemployment

[Clovius Boofus]

Exactly this! It would probably be deemed an infringement of the shoplifters human rights, and inevitably there would be a kerfuffle leading to you being done for assault. God this country has become soft!

Make a citizen's arrest and let's say there's a bit of a struggle and the person you are tying to detain twists an ankle, or whatever - you'll probably end up getting your arsed sued off by some no-win-no-fee chancers.

[Clovius Boofus]

Inevitable cause of cutting benefits and unemployment

Really? It's a way of life for some people.

[TsarBomba]

I like the sound of that.

Please tell us what the process is, what “force” if any we could use when carrying this out. I’d also like to know what terminology I should use so that everyone knows I’m the good guy, and also what arguments could use in my own defence when I undoubtedly end up in court faced with kidnapping/illegal incarceration charges.

Cheers.

Section 3 Criminal Law Act.

Force you use has to be proportionate to the threat you are facing.

[Stayingup]

I went in Boots the other day. I was the odd one out - I paid. It's shocking the level of this crime and of course it's pushing up prices.

[Devils_Advocate]

I've got a lot of sympathy for shoplifters as the majority have been let down by society and are just doing what they can to survive

Providing the don't use violence and threatening behaviour and stick to big businesses then good luck to them I say.

It's the corrupt and greedy super rich brigade that play the system and steal from us all that riles me but noone seems to care about that

[GetIntoEm]

Inevitable cause of cutting benefits and unemployment

Nah these lowlifes have no interest in being productive members of society. Happy to take take take. Wastes of oxygen. Makes me skin crawl walking through Burnley town centre these days

[Stayingup]

I've got a lot of sympathy for shoplifters as the majority have been let down by society and are just doing what they can to survive

Providing the don't use violence and threatening behaviour and stick to big businesses then good luck to them I say.

It's the corrupt and greedy super rich brigade that play the system and steal from us all that riles me but noone seems to care about that

I don't steal from anyone!!!

[Bow]

I don’t think I’ve ever knowingly seen anyone shoplift.

[Mattster]

And this depends on whether the footage is actually sent in, (quite a lot isnt) is of sufficient enough quality to make an identification of the offender (a hell of a lot isnt - certainly not able to stand up to scrutiny in court casting doubt) , and also having somebody that does actually know who the offender is and willing to put pen to paper in a statement.

Yeah, some of the footage you get is like watching through frosted glass - wouldn't recognise your own mother on it and it certainly won't provide any facial recognition results.

And then even the best bobby can't possibly know the face of every single person in the area.

The well known shoplifters are in and out of prison all the time, the problem is the sentences are so short they don't provide anything other than a brief window of respite.

[ClaretAndJew]

Stealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.

Dent their profits where you can.

[gsyclaret]

Worked in a supermarket when I first came to Guernsey, I saw a bloke lifting a half bottle of vodka, he knew i'd seen him but by the time i'd got to him he'd necked it.

[AmbleClaret]

Stealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.

Dent their profits where you can.

Really ?

[GetIntoEm]

Stealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.

Dent their profits where you can.

Really? Send me your address, I'll empty your house

[Goalkeeper]

We’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.

We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.

We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.

The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.

Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.

You have my sympathy in trying to carry out an impossible job, but having to have a smile on your face for your normal day to day duties.
Thank you.

[Stonehouse]

Think it’s bad in the UK ,Tenerife is rife with pickpockets and if they get less than €400 they can’t be arrested.

[Stonehouse]

Stealing from supermarkets should be encouraged. Miserable pay and conditions and billions in cash.

Dent their profits where you can.

We’ve had some stupid posts on this forum but this is No ONE.

[kentonclaret]

This is very true.

The worst offenders where I am is the Co-op. They don’t know how to work their CCTV machines, they provide insufficient footage, they don’t respond to emails etc.

We detained a shoplifter in the Co-Op 2 days ago and staff told us he had been in over the weekend stealing meat. They couldn’t find the footage, made no record of what he had stolen- basically didn’t collate any evidence.

We had no choice but to let him go.

So, just to summarise, a shoplifter stole some meat and the Co-Op made a hash of it.

[Stonehouse]

So, just to summarise, a shoplifter stole some meat and the Co-Op made a hash of it.

That’s a cornybeef joke.

[Clovius Boofus]

My local butcher detained a shoplifter who tried to nick a rabbit pie, and when the police came, they told him to hop it.

[BurnleyFC]

We’re having a real crackdown on shoplifting at the moment, and have been for a while.

We nicked a Romanian shoplifter as part of an OCG before Xmas. He was responsible for thefts totalling £38K in Boots stores across the UK. We recovered £4K of cosmetics from his car boot on the day we arrested him.

We got him charged for 31 counts of shoplifting and put in a remand application to keep him in, as well as to seize his passport.

The court let him out and he flew straight back to Romania before his hearing. We’ll never see him again.

Our Criminal Justice system is a joke.

Don’t worry, Two-Tier-Keir will invite him back in again.

[Stonehouse]

My local butcher detained a shoplifter who tried to nick a rabbit pie, and when the police came, they told him to hop it.

That’s an Offel joke.