BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:07 am

Grumps wrote:Nixons bit is about Vydra being wanted in Turkey

I wonder what crime Vydra committed while on holiday there?

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:09 am

Can’t see him going unless a replacement is already lined up

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:23 am

Grumps wrote:Nixons bit is about Vydra being wanted in Turkey

Yeah, was never going to be an incoming was it

ayrshireclaret83 · Post by **ayrshireclaret83** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:25 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:Can’t see him going unless a replacement is already lined up

We have Wells to sit on the bench

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:37 am

SGr wrote:Yeah, was never going to be an incoming was it

It's almost as if the club does its business quietly without leaking its targets to the media.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:40 am

Tall Paul wrote:It's almost as if the club does its business quietly without leaking its targets to the media.

I don’t remember the last proper signing we made that didn’t make it out to the media at least a day or two in advance.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:42 am

Tall Paul wrote:It's almost as if the club does its business quietly without leaking its targets to the media.

Totally agree with you on that. My concern is our track record on the number capable cm in the squad is weird.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:44 am

Whats this news breaking next week ??
Anyone any clues ??

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:48 am

Blyclaret wrote:Whats this news breaking next week ??
Anyone any clues ??

Aye it’s called manufactured horseshit

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:50 am

SGr wrote:I don’t remember the last proper signing we made that didn’t make it out to the media at least a day or two in advance.

Yes, unlike most clubs who are linked with players with weeks before they sign them (eg Villa & Heaton, Man Utd & Maguire etc, etc).

The first mention of Pieters on this thread was less than 24 hours before his signing was announced.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:53 am

Tall Paul wrote:Yes, unlike most clubs who are linked with players with weeks before they sign them (eg Villa & Heaton, Man Utd & Maguire etc, etc).

The first mention of Pieters on this thread was less than 24 hours before his signing was announced.

That is a fair enough point. Either way though, with 11 days to go I am sadly thinking this much needed midfielder isn’t going to get done.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:06 am

Oddly I do think a midfielder will come in.

It’s based on little more than blind faith. But it would be absolutely mental beyond even our previous risks we’ve taken in that position, particularly given Dyche’s comments on Defour yesterday.

Either that or we’ve real hope in Josh Benson.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:08 am

I think with Vydra it was a very poorly pronounced "TORQUAY" he might be going to !!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:09 am

SGr wrote:That is a fair enough point. Either way though, with 11 days to go I am sadly thinking this much needed midfielder isn’t going to get done.

When is the last time we haven't made a signing close to, or on transfer deadline day of the summer transfer window?

I'm sure we'll make at least one more signing and it's likely to be a midfielder.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:11 am

I have to say as well .... forget all the non-stop shite talked on the 24/7 news channels .... take a look at the completed signings list pinned.

There aren’t many signings I see there which have definitely, 100% categorically improved sides. Yes some punts will come off, obviously the promoted sides have strengthened (but they’ve further to come from) but other than that i’m not seeing too many club’s business and thinking “they’ve had a great summer”.

All points to it being a crazy busy last two weeks of the window.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:19 am

summitclaret wrote:Totally agree with you on that. My concern is our track record on the number capable cm in the squad is weird.

We've got 3 haven't we at present who are fit?

Cork, Westwood and Hendrick, unless I've missed something.

Defour will be back whenever, so we could do with a youngster as a filler.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:24 am

Socrates wrote:Oddly I do think a midfielder will come in.

It’s based on little more than blind faith. But it would be absolutely mental beyond even our previous risks we’ve taken in that position, particularly given Dyche’s comments on Defour yesterday.

Either that or we’ve real hope in Josh Benson.

Surely we are not going to risk a untried kid again? By God it worked with Dwight but ?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:25 am

How old is David Jones ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:28 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We've got 3 haven't we at present who are fit?

Cork, Westwood and Hendrick, unless I've missed something.

Defour will be back whenever, so we could do with a youngster as a filler.

Three isn't enough. I'm sure we'll sign another. Plus Hendrick's best position last season was right mid.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:32 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We've got 3 haven't we at present who are fit?

Cork, Westwood and Hendrick, unless I've missed something.

Defour will be back whenever, so we could do with a youngster as a filler.

Yes but due to JBG, Brady and Lennon seemingly being injury prone, Hendrick has become more of a rs midfielder and took to it well actually. That meant we could not bring on fresh legs in cm for virtually half a season. Totally unacceptable situation and one for which there will be no excuse if we don't bring in a cm player now.

Forget Defour. If he returns it is a bonus.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:34 am

taio wrote:Three isn't enough. I'm sure we'll sign another. Plus Hendrick's best position last season was right mid.

3 certainly isnt enough, you are 1 injury from.habing no cover or putting a square peg in a round hole.
The cover player is also our Jack of all trades for other roles too, so can't really expect him to available for CM all the time either.

I think we will get in a couple more, and I'm almost certain 1 will be a central midfielder.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:44 am

MACCA wrote:3 certainly isnt enough, you are 1 injury from.habing no cover or putting a square peg in a round hole.
The cover player is also our Jack of all trades for other roles too, so can't really expect him to available for CM all the time either.

I think we will get in a couple more, and I'm almost certain 1 will be a central midfielder.

Very true. And if we had such an injury Hendrick isn't effective enough to play CM in a 442 for a sustained period. He's a better option on the right hand side when JBG isn't the right choice for the opposition. It's essential we bring in a CM.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:48 am

taio wrote:Three isn't enough. I'm sure we'll sign another. Plus Hendrick's best position last season was right mid.

Vydra can play on the flank, he's done it before.
Jay can also do that, he did that at Saints, left side of the attacking 3.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:50 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Vydra can play on the flank, he's done it before.
Jay can also do that, he did that at Saints, left side of the attacking 3.

No signs that Vydra will play that role. But in any case it doesn't alter the fact that 3 CMs isn't enough.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:51 am

taio wrote:No signs that Vydra will play that role. But in any case it doesn't alter the fact that 3 CMs isn't enough.

I agree it isn't enough, hence why I said we need a filler, young lad maybe.

Just saying that a couple of our players can go on the flanks if needed when the main wingers pick up injuries it doesn't have to be Hendrick.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:00 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I agree it isn't enough, hence why I said we need a filler, young lad maybe.

Just saying that a couple of our players can go on the flanks if needed when the main wingers pick up injuries it doesn't have to be Hendrick.

We need more than a 'filler' in that crucial position and I'm sure we'll bring someone in.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:09 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I agree it isn't enough, hence why I said we need a filler, young lad maybe.

Just saying that a couple of our players can go on the flanks if needed when the main wingers pick up injuries it doesn't have to be Hendrick.

We need someone who is better than Cork and Hendrick in central midfield. Cork would be a decent option from the bench, on past subs appearances in the Europa league he came on to influence the game and scored goals.

If we don't get a physical athlete in there who can protect the defence we will concede bucket loads again.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:17 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We've got 3 haven't we at present who are fit?
Cork, Westwood and Hendrick, unless I've missed something.
Defour will be back whenever, so we could do with a youngster as a filler.

For me, we can't even take Defour as a player. He'll never last long even if/when he does come back.
I'd want 5 central midfielders, with one being an up and coming youngster. So we have 3, like you say. We need another plus someone coming through the youth system, ideally, as you can tell SD prefers 4-4-2.

The youngster would be the 5th CM.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:22 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:We need someone who is better than Cork and Hendrick in central midfield. Cork would be a decent option from the bench, on past subs appearances in the Europa league he came on to influence the game and scored goals.

If we don't get a physical athlete in there who can protect the defence we will concede bucket loads again.

Bucketloads like the 27 in the second half of last season......less than 1.5 per game. We are in such a bad way...

Doom, gloom, doom, gloom.

Cork and Hendrick were absolutely fine in the 2nd half of last season and so no reason they shouldn’t carry on in the same way...

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:23 am

Defour can't be classed as one of the midfielders because he'll never play. Cork isn't really up to the standard anymore, sadly. Hendrick is preferred in one of the wide midfield slots or in front of two others. Benson is a young lad and we need to get him out on loan.

To my mind, that leaves us with Westwood as the only midfielder I would be wholly confident of starting with, who had an outstanding second half of the season. We need one more midfielder. Every other position is sorted.

What a poor do if we can't manage to sign just one midfielder in the next two weeks.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:26 am

Cork is absolutely fine. Difficult first half of last season but same can be said pretty much across the board. Decent second half of the season. He'll make a significant contribution next season too.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:26 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We've got 3 haven't we at present who are fit?

Cork, Westwood and Hendrick, unless I've missed something.

Defour will be back whenever, so we could do with a youngster as a filler.

More likely that not that Defour won’t ever be back for us.
That leaves us with
- Cork who struggled for big parts of last season. He got a bit better after Christmas but if there had been competition for his place then he would have surely been dropped months before.
- Westwood. Unexpected surprise last year. Did really well and hopefully can match that form this season (but what if he doesn’t or he gets injured ?)
- Hendrick. How many times in last 2 years has Dyche picked him in centre mid ? I can’t remember many - and if he couldn’t get in based on the form of Cork last year Dyche can’t fancy him much in that position.

We massively need a quality centre midfield player who is good enough to go straight in the first eleven. I don’t care whether he is young or old - he just needs to be good enough to play in the team now. If he’s young - great but that seems unlikely that we can pick up a young player who is good enough for the league and going to cost less than £20m.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:30 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Bucketloads like the 27 in the second half of last season......less than 1.5 per game. We are in such a bad way...

Doom, gloom, doom, gloom.

Cork and Hendrick were absolutely fine in the 2nd half of last season and so no reason they shouldn’t carry on in the same way...

As I asked someone else the other day, what if one gets an injury?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:33 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Bucketloads like the 27 in the second half of last season......less than 1.5 per game. We are in such a bad way...

Doom, gloom, doom, gloom.

Cork and Hendrick were absolutely fine in the 2nd half of last season and so no reason they shouldn’t carry on in the same way...

Hendrick didn't play CM.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:35 am

We could loan a cm for the year? Plenty of time yet UTC

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:36 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Bucketloads like the 27 in the second half of last season......less than 1.5 per game. We are in such a bad way...

Doom, gloom, doom, gloom.

Cork and Hendrick were absolutely fine in the 2nd half of last season and so no reason they shouldn’t carry on in the same way...

Why are you only using the 2nd half of the season stats? Ok I know the answer, it suits your opinion better. But if you want to use the latest form guide of 10 or so games it goes back up to 1.8 per game.
For Dyche's game plans to work we need more clean sheets and less goals conceded. Or bring in a goal scoring midfielder and try and get 10 more.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:37 am

ksrclaret wrote:Defour can't be classed as one of the midfielders because he'll never play. Cork isn't really up to the standard anymore, sadly. Hendrick is preferred in one of the wide midfield slots or in front of two others. Benson is a young lad and we need to get him out on loan.

To my mind, that leaves us with Westwood as the only midfielder I would be wholly confident of starting with, who had an outstanding second half of the season. We need one more midfielder. Every other position is sorted.

What a poor do if we can't manage to sign just one midfielder in the next two weeks.

lol

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:45 am

The second half of 17/18 was poor ...the first half of 18/19 was even worse.We then got out of jail with a good run. Crossing our fingers again wont do.The midfield desperately needs strengthening..

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:46 am

Tall Paul wrote:lol

I do love our chats, Paul. Keep it clean in future though.

Same time tomorrow?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:51 am

ksrclaret wrote:I do love our chats, Paul. Keep it clean in future though.
Same time tomorrow?

He was sharing lots of love with you.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:52 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The second half of 17/18 was poor ...the first half of 18/19 was even worse.We then got out of jail with a good run. Crossing our fingers again wont do.The midfield desperately needs strengthening..

Don’t agree with this.
There was no jail involved.
You can’t have it both ways and point to a bad run on one hand but imply we were lucky to go on a good run.
We stayed up because we deserved it. Our form after the Everton defeat was brilliant - top 6 material. Even more impressive given the position we were in, the pressure we were under and the manner of the Everton defeat in front of our own fans. We won the big important games against our rivals too - Fulham, Cardiff, Brighton, Bournemouth - no luck in any of those games. We stayed up pretty easily in the end.

We do need a midfielder though !

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:54 am

taio wrote:Hendrick didn't play CM.

I never said he did

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:57 am

Can’t argue that Cork & Westy were fine after Xmas. The problem comes if one or both are out long term. We have plenty of so-so back up who can do a job for a game or two but long term I would have concerns.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:59 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Why are you only using the 2nd half of the season stats? Ok I know the answer, it suits your opinion better. But if you want to use the latest form guide of 10 or so games it goes back up to 1.8 per game.
For Dyche's game plans to work we need more clean sheets and less goals conceded. Or bring in a goal scoring midfielder and try and get 10 more.

Nobody played well first half of last season. The whole team wasn’t good enough with mitigating circumstances that I’m sure you’ll understand...

Take whatever stats you want this is Burnley in the premier league and it is hard to attract much better than Cork where there are no injury doubts (ala Defour). Cork has more than proved he is good enough.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:59 am

FactualFrank wrote:He was sharing lots of love with you.

I thought so. He's got form for that, has Tall Paul.

There's something about transfer rumours that get's him all saucy

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:01 pm

Someone on here mentioned Harry Wilson from Liverpool
22 year old attacking midfielder
Scored 15 goals on loan with Derby last season.
Think we would have to break our transfer to get him.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:10 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I thought so. He's got form for that, has Tall Paul.

There's something about transfer rumours that get's him all saucy

What are you on about?

I'm not sure I've ever replied to you before, but your post was so ridiculous that I had to laugh at it.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:13 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Nobody played well first half of last season. The whole team wasn’t good enough with mitigating circumstances that I’m sure you’ll understand...

Take whatever stats you want this is Burnley in the premier league and it is hard to attract much better than Cork where there are no injury doubts (ala Defour). Cork has more than proved he is good enough.

I like Cork but he seems to get out muscled too many times these days.

People get paid lots of money to find better players than we currently have. Time for them to earn their wages.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:13 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Yes, unlike most clubs who are linked with players with weeks before they sign them (eg Villa & Heaton, Man Utd & Maguire etc, etc).

The first mention of Pieters on this thread was less than 24 hours before his signing was announced.

That's because Peters himself only knew 48hrs before, when the first contact was made, not much time for it to be leaked out.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:17 pm

Tall Paul wrote:What are you on about?

I'm not sure I've ever replied to you before, but your post was so ridiculous that I had to laugh at it.

Oh Paul, and we were getting on so well.

I think we both know you've done a bit more than reply to me before