Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[RingoMcCartney]

Talking of undertakers, Lancaster claret, did you hear my latest address to the nation on LBC , with Shelagh Fogaty, 10 minutes ago.

Reminding Andy Burnham that Labour could be seen as blocking Brexit by 5 million labour leave voters.

Who needs the UTC message board when theirs a nation to share my wisdom with!

[Lowbankclaret]

Murmurings of a deal being done!!!!

Not that I think it will get through Parliament.

Will make for an interesting Saturday!

[Damo]

Or alternatively, something that isn’t two months old.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... html%3famp

Tells a very different story.

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[CombatClaret]

Talking of undertakers, Lancaster claret, did you hear my latest address to the nation on LBC , with Shelagh Fogaty, 10 minutes ago.
Reminding Andy Burnham that Labour could be seen as blocking Brexit by 5 million labour leave voters.
Who needs the UTC message board when theirs a nation to share my wisdom with!

I caught the last few seconds, lots of talking about how Westminster has ignored towns like Burnley, totally valid. I just don't see how leaving the EU and economically crippling ourselves will solve that.

[Lowbankclaret]

I would certainly welcome a GE, I will watch with interest what the polls do if there is a deal and then Parliament vote it down.

[Lowbankclaret]

I caught the last few seconds, lots of talking about how Westminster has ignored towns like Burnley, totally valid. I just don't see how leaving the EU and economically crippling ourselves will solve that.

We would have to see but it’s only opinion and supposition that our economy would be crippled.

[CombatClaret]

We would have to see but it’s only opinion and supposition that our economy would be crippled.

I tend to trust the wide array of economist but it still doesn't explain the reasoning of being annoyed with the actions of Westminster toward towns like Burnley so channeling that frustration at the EU.

It's like having a problem with your plumbing so you cancel your AA membership.

[Erasmus]

Lowbank, do you think leaving the EU will lead to any sort of economic recovery for towns like Burnley? I can't see how it would, but perhaps there's a bigger picture I've overlooked.

[RingoMcCartney]

I caught the last few seconds, lots of talking about how Westminster has ignored towns like Burnley, totally valid. I just don't see how leaving the EU and economically crippling ourselves will solve that.

It's entirely possible to be a socialist, concerned about the people at the bottom of the pile, and have long held views that being out of the European Union , would benefit them.




Dont believe me?












Ask Jeremy Corbyn......

[TheFamilyCat]

I caught the last few seconds, lots of talking about how Westminster has ignored towns like Burnley, totally valid. I just don't see how leaving the EU and economically crippling ourselves will solve that.

No mention of Catalonia then? Shame.

[TheFamilyCat]

It's entirely possible to be a socialist, concerned about the people at the bottom of the pile, and have long held views that being out of the European Union , would benefit them.




Dont believe me?












Ask Jeremy Corbyn......

But why do you believe that leaving the EU will benefit them?

[RingoMcCartney]

No mention of Catalonia then? Shame.

While you've been at your self-help group, the world has moved on.

Good luck with your rehab, tiny steps The family Cat, tiny steps.

[RingoMcCartney]

But why do you believe that leaving the EU will benefit them?

Not wanting to repeat myself, but , that was the arguement prior to the referendum.

It's been done to death.


The world has moved on.

[CombatClaret]

Not wanting to repeat myself, but , that was the arguement prior to the referendum.
It's been done to death.
The world has moved on.

You may want it to move on because there are no good answers. We moved to far from the promises made prior there's barely a shred of what people were told they were voting for left.
It's exactly because the world has moved on and time has revealed the Brexit box is empty we need to go back to the people.

[TheFamilyCat]

Funny how Ringo is so keen to move on when he has failed to provide an answer.

Lurching from one fail to the next.

[martin_p]

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So people still against no deal then.

[AndrewJB]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -rees-mogg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post truth politics. Nobody even knows what the deal is, yet Rees Mogg claims there is support for it.

[martin_p]

Not wanting to repeat myself, but , that was the arguement prior to the referendum.

It's been done to death.


The world has moved on.

You’ve never ever ‘not wanted to repeat yourself’ as pretty much any page of this thread in which you have posted will prove. Why make an exception now?

[TheFamilyCat]

You’ve never ever noticed wanted to repeat yourself’ as pretty much any page of this thread in which you have posted will prove. Why make an exception now?

Not having a good day, is he?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Not having a good day, is he?

To be fair he’s not had a good Brexit so far.

[aggi]

I could quite easily spend an hour giving you a long, long list. However, I know you won’t be interested in discussing it (unless you are a unique Remain voter, because I haven’t found one yet). What you want to do is to claim those things were all achievable anyway without Brexit, or they won’t benefit poorer people, or, or, or.....

We know all this because the question has been asked on here endlessly for 3 years - and many of us have answered it more than once, including me.

It is very simple - life may or may not be rosy outside the EU, but life inside was intolerable to many. Too many rules, too much neoliberalism, too much distance from policy makers (ask Juncker if he has ever heard of Burnley), too many weird legal judgements from the ECJ, too much freedom of movement, too much technocratic political debate, too much protectionism. I didn’t mean to write a list, but I suppose I’ve written one accidentally .

This does affect ordinary people - I’ve just bought a new American car today. It comes with a 10% import duty from the EU. Why should I have to pay a few grand extra to Brussels just so I don’t have to funnel the whole wedge to Germany for a BMW or similar? It’s a neoliberal scam, no doubt with the big German car makers sat in Brussels lobbying away.

I admire your optimism that leaving the EU will resolve those rather vague issues.

How exactly are they life benefits? What specific rules do you disagree with? Which weird legal judgements have impacted on you? How exactly is this technocratic political debate causing problems and how will things change when we leave the EU? Is leaving the EU with the Tory's vision really going to result in less neoliberalism?

The issue I have when this question is asked, and maybe that's why you haven't found anyone willing to discuss it, is the answers always seem to be vague. There aren't concrete examples on the problems these things cause or specific issues, it's just a series of concepts.

I can see the issue with freedom of movement. I don't agree with many of the reasons that people give for why they don't like freedom of movement (generally stuff along the lines of they're all claiming benefits, an economic drain on the country, we can't get rid of them, and various other factually untrue stuff) but if it's in relation to the depression of lower salary jobs or just the viewpoint that someone doesn't want foreigners moving over here then fair enough.

As for the protectionism, I can't imagine many people are buying American cars (and having driven plenty of them I can see why). However, I don't believe that we're going to leave the EU and have tariff free trade with everyone. As nice as the idea is on the face of it, the reality is that it would kill off large sectors of British industry. Just look at what's happened with Japanese car manufacturers moving production after their trade agreement. I very much suspect that Germany wasn't the only country that wanted those tariffs, there are plenty of other countries involved in motor manufacture.

[aggi]

And on a more light hearted note, I found this pretty entertaining (mainly for the memories it evoked of comedy own goals).

[martin_p]

And on a more light hearted note, I found this pretty entertaining (mainly for the memories it evoked of comedy own goals).

Best thing Boris Johnson has ever done!

[Bordeauxclaret]

I wonder what the DUP’s magic figure will be.

Guess we’ll find out soon.

[RingoMcCartney]

You may want it to move on because there are no good answers. We moved to far from the promises made prior there's barely a shred of what people were told they were voting for left.
It's exactly because the world has moved on and time has revealed the Brexit box is empty we need to go back to the people.

You were in the minority when the 2016 Peoples Vote was announced.

And wanting a 2nd referendum, prolonging the division and uncertainty that still Remaining brings, and not respecting the result, implementing it and moving on. Means that you're still in the minority.

Democracy- it means , sometimes, you lose

[RingoMcCartney]

You’ve never ever ‘not wanted to repeat yourself’ as pretty much any page of this thread in which you have posted will prove. Why make an exception now?

Not wanting to point our the glaringly obvious, but when it comes to repeating yourself , your the message board grand master, Marty!

In a nutshell, it's been 3 and a half years of "screw democracy"

[martin_p]

Not wanting to point our the glaringly obvious, but when it comes to repeating yourself , your the message board grand master, Marty!

In a nutshell, it's been 3 and a half years of "screw democracy"

Yes, I’m sure that’s what everyone else is taking from this.

[RingoMcCartney]

Funny how Ringo is so keen to move on when he has failed to provide an answer.

Lurching from one fail to the next.

If you get off from regurgitating the same tired, and done to death ,arguments. That were done 2 years prior to the 2016 Peoples Vote and have been done to a seriously tedious level for the last 3 and half years , you crack on .

But looking at the latest opinion polls, listening to the radio and watching TV the majority of normal people simply want brexit done, and other issues addressed.

[martin_p]

If you get off from regurgitating the same tired, and done to death ,arguments. That were done 2 years prior to the 2016 Peoples Vote and have been done to a seriously tedious level for the last 3 and half years , you crack on .

Zero self awareness.

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes, I’m sure that’s what everyone else is taking from this.

When , exactly , did you develop the ability to be sure what "everyone else" is taking from this Marty!?

It really is a very special skill you have!

[RingoMcCartney]

I've got Zero self awareness of the outside world and what the majority of people think and want re brexit.

[martin_p]

When , exactly , did you develop the ability to be sure what "everyone else" is taking from this Marty!?

It really is a very special skill you have!

When it comes to what people think about you I think I’m on solid ground.

[aggi]

For those wondering how loath Ringo is to repeat himself ...

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[willsclarets]

For those wondering how loath Ringo is to repeat himself ...

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Words he still doesn't understand.

[RMutt]

Boris Johnson=Djimi Traore!

[RingoMcCartney]

When it comes to what people think about you I think I’m on solid ground.

Oh its "think" now is it Marty!

Moments ago you were "sure" what "everyone else was thinking!!

Typical Remoaner, changing your mind quicker than a by-election denying MP!

Have you considered joining Change UK, er, no voting Independent, oh hang on a minute joining the Illiberal anti Democrats

[RingoMcCartney]

For those wondering how loath Ringo is to repeat himself ...

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Consistency .

[RMutt]

Boris Johnson=Djimi Traore!

Actually, I’ve scored an own goal. They’re all real aren’t they? Oops.

[TheFamilyCat]

If you get off from regurgitating the same tired, and done to death ,arguments. That were done 2 years prior to the 2016 Peoples Vote and have been done to a seriously tedious level for the last 3 and half years , you crack on .

But looking at the latest opinion polls, listening to the radio and watching TV the majority of normal people simply want brexit done, and other issues addressed.

I'm sure you only came up with the Catalonia thing today but if you insist it's been three years, who am I to argue.

On the other point, it must be easy to give a few benefits of leaving the EU if it's so obviously the right thing to do.

Now you don't think that all the uncertainty has anything to do with it not being a very good idea? I mean, if it was, we'd have cracked on and done it by now.

[RingoMcCartney]

Words he still doesn't understand.

Hello! Here comes one of the UTC messageboard "Final Remedy" storm troopers!

Which gets to be Fuhrer, and who plays the role of the Kamp Kommandant?

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm sure you only came up with the Catalonia thing today but if you insist it's been three years, who am I to argue.

On the other point, it must be easy to give a few benefits of leaving the EU if it's so obviously the right thing to do.

Now you don't think that all the uncertainty has anything to do with it not being a very good idea? I mean, if it was, we'd have cracked on and done it by now.

Those that were "accused" of organising the Catalan independence referendum were jailed, only , this week.

You do seem to be way way behind the curve when it comes to what is and isn't current.

Explains a lot.

[aggi]

Actually, I’ve scored an own goal. They’re all real aren’t they? Oops.

Indeed. David Cameron as our very own Chris Brass.

[TheFamilyCat]

Those that were "accused" of organising the Catalan independence referendum were jailed, only , this week.

You do seem to be way way behind the curve when it comes to what is and isn't current.

Explains a lot.

You accused me of regurgitating stuff from three years ago as a reason for not answering a question about the Catalan thing. You brought the Catalan stuff up today. Three years or one day - which is it?

[RingoMcCartney]

You accused me of regurgitating stuff from three years ago as a reason for not answering a question about the Catalan thing. You brought the Catalan stuff up today. Three years or one day - which is it?

See my previous post.

[TheFamilyCat]

See my previous post.

I saw it, I read it, I quoted it in my reply. Your response went off at a tangent in true ringo style.

[AndyClaret]

This just about covers it.

[Quickenthetempo]

All agreed apart from VAT apparently.

Boris will do anything for Leave
But he won't do VAT.

[Lancasterclaret]

Hinges on the DUP to be honest.

Look, Johnson can completely forget what he said last year about a border down the Irish Sea, and they will definitely remember that.

But if they can get an absolute **** loads of cash out of Johnson, then they might well swing into line.

[Devils_Advocate]

Are they not going to come unstuck with this and be forced down the Benn Act route?

[martin_p]

Are they not going to come unstuck with this and be forced down the Benn Act route?

Just shows the complete u-turn the Tories (especially the ERG) have taken in just over a year. From making something against the law to thinking it’s a wonderful idea.