General Election Is On

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:56 am

I appreciate your post Ringo , this election has once again demonstrated , like the referendum, what democracy looks like .
The icing on the cake is Julie Cooper being quite rightly kicked out of Burnley.
I knew for certain that from the moment she abstained on the 2nd referendum parliamentary vote that she was no good for the constituents of Burnley.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:56 am

BP 2nd in Barnsley Central just 3,500 votes behind Labour,close but no cigar.

Labour doing better in remain voting areas,but you can't win an election with 200 seats.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:58 am

BennyD wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:42 am
Agreed and, because we seem to be closely aligned,I ride on your coat tails. I got seriously p!ssed off by the er, less enlightened on this forum and departed for a while. You, however, stayed and fought your corner so much respect from me. Respect.

Cheers buddy!

D'yu know what what was clear to see today. On the thread where you said how you were going to vote and the confidence in which you thought itd go. There were posters who just popped in to contribute. Never seen them post on a political thread before but they were just nailing their respective colours, so to speak.

It was really noticeable that many on the left were only too keen to call anybody who said "conservative" were slagged off and labelled "gullible " "ignorant" etc etc. Posters even remarked on it being noticable that tories had a pop at labour policies . Where as labour voters just slagged off Tory voters themselves!

You and I have become used to it, but when newbies to politics get it, they're understandably took aback.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:58 am

If Crewe/Nantwich goes from Labour to Conservative I won’t need to ask them, I already know.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:02 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:11 pm
Ringo's Christmas wish list-

The following MPs to be turfed out by their constituents-

1 Dominic Grieve

2 Anna Soubrey

3 Yvette Cooper

4 Chuka Umuna

5 Sarah Wollaston

Any of the above will do. More to come.

Chuka Umuna GONE!!!

GET THE F*** IN!!!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:02 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:58 am
Cheers buddy!

D'yu know what what was clear to see today. On the thread where you said how you were going to vote and the confidence in which you thought itd go. There were posters who just popped in to contribute. Never seen them post on a political thread before but they were just nailing their respective colours, so to speak.

It was really noticeable that many on the left were only too keen to call anybody who said "conservative" were slagged off and labelled "gullible " "ignorant" etc etc. Posters even remarked on it being noticable that tories had a pop at labour policies . Where as labour voters just slagged off Tory voters themselves!

You and I have become used to it, but when newbies to politics get it, they're understandably took aback.

Unfortunately, that is a feature of the left; eveyone is wrong apart from those that agree with them. Hopefully, this will show them the error of their ways. Labour’s heartlands are showing them that leaving Europe is more important than free broadband.

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:05 am

BennyD wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:02 am
Unfortunately, that is a feature of the left; eveyone is wrong apart from those that agree with them. Hopefully, this will show them the error of their ways. Labour’s heartlands are showing them that leaving Europe is more important than free broadband and other such mindless bolloxcs.

Everyone is not only wrong, but racist, sexist, racist, xenophobic, racist, transphobic and racist. The demonisation of their opponents is something we're all too familiar with over in the US. The parallels with the 2016 election here are uncanny.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:05 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:02 am
Chuka Umuna GONE!!!

GET THE F*** IN!!!

Bye bye carpetbagger. :)Swinson's getting her P45 by the looks of things as well.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:07 am

Hyndburn has turned blue

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:58 am
Posters even remarked on it being noticable that tories had a pop at labour policies . Where as labour voters just slagged off Tory voters themselves!

Posters... posters???!!!

As one of the other guys supporting Brexit, I thought I would have retained a little more notoriety from you, Ringo.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 am

bobinho wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:17 pm
If you can tear yourselves away from tearing each other apart for two minutes, I have a serious question.

Is it really only Labour and the Lib Dem’s that can win in Burnley?

Genuine reason for the question.

No.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:15 am

Chuka Umuna- been in more parties than he received votes!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:21 am

I'm

Labour held Islington North,even there the majority was slashed.

Cons gain Sedgefield that's symbolic,Corbyn standing down,but not yet.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:27 am

Corbyn, what a w4nker;that was the most boring resignation speech in history

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:29 am

Darthlaw wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 am
Posters... posters???!!!

As one of the other guys supporting Brexit, I thought I would have retained a little more notoriety from you, Ringo.

Apologies pal! You were, indeed, one of those that shone a light on the intolerance of the, so called, "liberal" and "inclusive" left.

I've said it many many a times before, often ridiculed by those it was aimed fairly and squarely at, for saying it.

THE LEFT - THEY CLAIM TO "LOVE" DIVERSITY

THEY HATE DIVERSITY OF OPINION

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:41 am

Boris re-elected. Happy days.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:42 am

Yeah, yeah Boris will run scared at choose a different seat because if he doesn't he could well lose his seat. No he won't.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:42 am

Lord Bucketface giving the finger to to Count Binface after beating him was one of the highlights of the election (Johnson lying through his teeth in his acceptance speech less so but that's what we've voted for).

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:43 am

Listening to Bercow on sky.

Youd think the sanctimonious, egotistical, democracy blocking pygmy , had never been involved in the prorogation of the Peoples Voice!!!

After extra time the final score is-

RINGO MCCARTNEY 1. JOHN BERCOW 0

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:43 am

How can Boris say he's going to unite the country when the Tory vote has completely collapsed in Scotland?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:44 am

Jo Swinson loses her seat. She got it wrong. Imagine standing on a commitment to simply revoke article 50.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:47 am

Just reported on Guardian website
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An altercation broke out while John McDonnell was making his acceptance speech, Sky News have reported. People in the audience started shouting “terrorist” and “liar”, prior to the incident. As police dealt with it, McDonnell went on to say:

It is quite clear that there are fears also now for our democracy and the rise of the extreme right, but I say now we will organise to ensure this type of democracy will reign, that the democratic wishes of our people will be respected, and this type of extreme rightwing violence will not be tolerated within our society.
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What a hypocrite. He's had no compunction re the momentum mad dogs heckling/disrupting/throwing milk shakes throughout the past few months.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:47 am

PURE UNADULTERATED POETIC JUSTICE

JO SWINSON 0. DEMOCRACY 1

GET THE **** IN!!!!!!!!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:50 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:43 am
How can Boris say he's going to unite the country when the Tory vote has completely collapsed in Scotland?

He can’t speak for the Jocks; it’s 3.46am and they’re all p!ssed. If they vote for independence, all the money owners will migrate south and they won’t have a pot to p!ss in. Also, the Eu won’t allow them in because they haven’t got a pot to p!ss in but Sturgeon will have her legacy. Still, she’ll be Ok because she’ll move south too to make financial use of her contacts gained while she was in office. That’s politics.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:51 am

Swinson gone. Ultimately she ran a pretty poor campaign and deserved to lose the leadership. Kudos for not leaping to a safe seat, I suspect she'll be back somewhat wiser in the future. The Lib Dems are screwed whilst First Past the Post is in place though.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:54 am

I'll miss Jo Swinson's sweaters.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:56 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:51 am
Swinson gone. Ultimately she ran a pretty poor campaign and deserved to lose the leadership. Kudos for not leaping to a safe seat, I suspect she'll be back somewhat wiser in the future. The Lib Dems are screwed whilst First Past the Post is in place though.

No half as screwed as your democracy denying dreams of remaining in the EU "outright lies " aggi!!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:57 am

Hard left Corbynista Laura Pidcock GONE !

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:59 am

I must admit I never thought I'd see in my lifetime the Tories win the Burnley seat. This speaks volumes about the disaster of Corbyn and McDonnell and the totally useless Julie Cooper locally. It exemplifies what people think about their type of politics. Bye.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:03 am

It's like Quentin Tarantino wrote this election.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:04 am

Soubry GONE !

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:07 am

claretandy wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:04 am
Soubry GONE !

YES !! GET IN!!

ANOTHER TICKED OFF THE RINGO BINGO CARD

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:08 am

Yvette Cooper holds on by the skin of her teeth.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:09 am

There are a lot of Corbynistas in denial but Caroline Flint (having lost Don Valley to Tories) says, more realistically:
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But shed no tears on my behalf. Defeat is in some ways a blessed relief. A respite from a miserable period in politics. But do spare a thought for those many people who invested their hopes in having a Labour party that would lead our country, help them with their plight, make life just a little bit easier and safeguard those aspects of life they hold most dear. To those people I offer my apologies for my party did not live up to your expectations.

To those who have brought us to this point I remind them that Labour cannot simply be a party of big cities and university towns, nor just a party of the young or a party of devoted Remainers. We must be a party of Labour. A party close to working class people because what is the point of the Labour party if we don’t respect and represent those voices, people we haven’t listened to or respected enough.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:10 am

A period of reflection for me. Nothing has gone right for me politically, however, there has to be some silver lining somewhere. There will be benefits to this that I'll be able to draw upon, after some research and better understanding.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:11 am

People v Parliament

Direct democracy v Representative Democracy

I think we now have FACTS

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 am

Perfectly summed up by Caroline Flint:

It is self evident in Doncaster and across the country that many long-standing Labour voters rejected our candidate for prime minister and the politics that surround him

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:16 am

People's vote gut currently getting Brillo'd, still doesn't accept the result.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:17 am

It's just a shame that the Tories haven't won due to them being brilliant, but because their competition are in the main a bunch of clowns. IMO it was always going to be bad news regardless of the result.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:23 am

Well, it's now time for Johnson to put his money where his mouth is.

Will he invest big money in the North like Crosspool believes or will he stick with his political history of promising everything and delivering nothing? Time will tell, although as Crosspool says, if he doesn't deliver then those who voted for him can't complain.

I'll put a tenner on that in five years time the trains in Burnley will be as bad as they are now.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:23 am

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:10 am
A period of reflection for me. Nothing has gone right for me politically, however, there has to be some silver lining somewhere. There will be benefits to this that I'll be able to draw upon, after some research and better understanding.

Should have listened to what I've been saying and predicting for the last 3 and a half years!!

Instead of being part of the sneering, holier than thou, belittling gaggle , that resent people who have the audacity to have a different world view to your myopic one!

Reflect on this -

YOU LOST, BIG STYLE!

GET OVER IT.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:23 am
I'll put a tenner on that in five years time the trains in Burnley will be as bad as they are now.

Ditto the NHS, but more under private ownership which will have been done in stages, in an attempt to go under the radar.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 am

Grieve GONE !

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:23 am
Should have listened to what I've been saying and predicting for the last 3 and a half years!!

Instead of being part of the sneering, holier than thou, belittling gaggle , that resent people who have the audacity to have a different world view to your myopic one!

Reflect on this -

YOU LOST, BIG STYLE!

GET OVER IT.

Hahaha.

Good man. I love it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:26 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:11 pm
Ringo's Christmas wish list-

The following MPs to be turfed out by their constituents-

1 Dominic Grieve

2 Anna Soubrey

3 Yvette Cooper

4 Chuka Umuna

5 Sarah Wollaston

Any of the above will do. More to come.

DOMINIC GREIVE

GONE!!!!

THERE IS A GOD AFTER ALL

Draining the swamp, one constituency at a time!!!!!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:27 am

Sam Gyimah GONE !, Tories gain Kensington.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:56 am
No half as screwed as your democracy denying dreams of remaining in the EU "outright lies " aggi!!

My "dream" was we've had the vote so we should leave so let's vote May's deal through. You're the one who didn't want to leave. Given that Johnson was too scared to be interviewed by Good Morning Britain, never mind Andrew Neill, I can't picture him suddenly growing a pair and standing up to the EU.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 am

Wollaston GONE !

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:37 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 am
My "dream" was we've had the vote so we should leave so let's vote May's deal through. You're the one who didn't want to leave. Given that Johnson was too scared to be interviewed by Good Morning Britain, never mind Andrew Neill, I can't picture him suddenly growing a pair and standing up to the EU.

You’ll never be a politician. Why put yourself in the firing line if you can’t appease everyone all of the time? You only go into these things if you need to make gains, not lose them. The voting public obviously doesn’t give a sh!t, going by the result. Corbyn and Swinson were there and it turned out well for them? Tut tut.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:38 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:43 am
How can Boris say he's going to unite the country when the Tory vote has completely collapsed in Scotland?

You don't like ambition? You don't like high hopes? He isn't saying he's going to unite the country like he might say he's going to have a cup of tea. It's an aspiration, not a decision.

What's he supposed to say? "Scotland didn't vote for me, so screw them?" (Tempting, I know!)