Electric Vehicle

[Mala591]

Didn't see this one coming. Will be great for all the potholed roads in Burnley

https://the2cvshop.co.uk/electric2cv.htm

[Billy Balfour]

How will people who don't have a driveway get on? The people who live in terraced housing or flats.

[dougcollins]

How will people who don't have a driveway get on? The people who live in terraced housing or flats.

They'll be re-cycled to create more electricity.

[Billy Balfour]

Oh that's good to know. Every little helps and we thank them for their sacrifice.

[Billy Balfour]

I think me wife's next car will be an electric one. Her commute is around 48 miles to and from work, so it will be ideal for her.

[Billy Balfour]

I had a power point installed cheaply and now can trickle charge or fast charge using green electricity through Ovo energy.

Chorley, how much did the power point installation set you back?

[tim_noone]

Perpetual motion hmmmmm the holy grail....

How do you propose to charge them as you drive beddie???

I think he has valid point maybe? Theres a simple answer I would guess and someones gonna get wealthy off the idea. Cordless drills who'd a thought it? If the wheels of a car are turning surely they could create the energy for a simple to fit second battery stored within the car? But what would I know I only discovered this

[Bosscat]

I think he has valid point maybe? Theres a simple answer I would guess and someones gonna get wealthy off the idea. Cordless drills who'd a thought it? If the wheels of a car are turning surely they could create the energy for a simple to fit second battery stored within the car? But what would I know I only discovered this

They actually already do that due to regenerative braking... for small amounts....

[dougcollins]

I watched 'Snowpiercer' last night (same director as 'Parasite') and the epic train on that had a Perpetual Motion engine. It was also mentioned in a song by Creedence Clearwater Revival, do you know which?

[tim_noone]

They actually already do that due to regenerative braking... for small amounts....

Right... me you and sea sick Steve need to get our heads together at the Bournemouth game........ he strictly topping up our empty glasses while we do the paper work.

[tim_noone]

I watched 'Snowpiercer' last night (same director as 'Parasite') and the epic train on that had a Perpetual Motion engine. It was also mentioned in a song by Creedence Clearwater Revival, do you know which?

Can only recall bad moon rising

[Zlatan]

I’m sorry, I do like a lot of posters on this forum but some of you are really dumb

[dougcollins]

Can only recall bad moon rising

Not that one mate.

[tim_noone]

I’m sorry, I do like a lot of posters on this forum but some of you are really dumb

Henry Ford Speaks

[cbx750]

I watched 'Snowpiercer' last night (same director as 'Parasite') and the epic train on that had a Perpetual Motion engine. It was also mentioned in a song by Creedence Clearwater Revival, do you know which?

Up around the bend.

[dougcollins]

Up around the bend.

Indeed it is.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The Tesla 3 is a giant step forward. Very cheap for what you get.
Depends what you use it for.

Electric is just plugging in and charging at home, so about 12p per kw. The answer to the question how long do you wait to charge up, becomes no time at all, I am indoors sleeping etc. That is most users on most journeys for their car.

Long journeys like line to Burnley, depend on a rapid charging infrastructure. Fortunately Tesla has that.

Others are catching up - inc Jaguar. Prices not too dissimilar for ICE v EV with them.

I love mine. So quiet and it jets away from traffic lights!
My autopilot and reactive cruise takes a lot of strain out of driving.

It's the way forward but it will take time and prices need to be realistic.

As for Elon Musk, he has made all his technology available to other manufacturers, so they have saved billions.

A electric contract with British Gas is under 5p per kw for a few hours each night. Alternately Octopus do a good energy deal.

The price is in large part paying for the battery. The rest is (rightly) cheaper than premium ICE.

The overall price may be high, but a £50k M3 Long Range will be as cheap as a Renault Clio on a 10 year view doing 15,000 miles per year. That’s the bit that’s lost on many people used to pumping £50-£100 into the tank each week.

[Zlatan]

A electric contract with British Gas is under 5p per kw for a few hours each night. Alternately Octopus do a good energy deal.

The price is in large part paying for the battery. The rest is (rightly) cheaper than premium ICE.

The overall price may be high, but a £50k M3 Long Range will be as cheap as a Renault Clio on a 10 year view doing 15,000 miles per year. That’s the bit that’s lost on many people used to pumping £50-£100 into the tank each week.

All well and good if you have the cash up front to buy one

[CrosspoolClarets]

All well and good if you have the cash up front to buy one

Absolutely true of course. Like most things in life. Pay up front you can make a packet, which is why the rich get it so easy.

Though through a business you get 27.5% off (reduced corporation tax and dividend tax) so it is £38k to find which is cheaper than many ICE compact executive cars (and if cash is a concern to that degree the logic also applies to the cheaper smaller EVs). They can be leased too.

Haven’t done the maths to see if a loan is worth it to get the fuel and tax savings - marginal I would think.

[dsr]

And why aren't all these manufacturers of electric cars making them so they are charging as you drive, hence never needing to plug in?

Because you can't have the bun and the ha'penny. You can use number 1 battery to charge number 2 battery, or you can use it to drive the car, or use a bit for each and half charge number 2 battery while driving the car half as far. But you can't use one lot of power for two lots of end product.

[icu81b4]

1.How long is the lifespan of the batteries,and
2. how do they get replaced? Or
3. do you throw the car away and buy a new one?

[No Ney Never]

And why aren't all these manufacturers of electric cars making them so they are charging as you drive, hence never needing to plug in?

From the rotation of the wheels or motion of the vehicle you would need to capture at least the same amount of energy that it takes to power it, that technology doesn't exist currently.

[No Ney Never]

1.How long is the lifespan of the batteries,and
2. how do they get replaced? Or
3. do you throw the car away and buy a new one?

1. As battery technology continues to improve, they last much longer than the earliest examples. The Nissan leaf for example, offers a 8 year / 100,000 mile warranty on the battery, I'd say that's pretty reassuring.

2. The batteries are made up of cells containing lots of small lithium ion batteries, individual cells can be replaced.

3. Like any other vehicle, could last for years if looked after and have value in the second hand market. Who knows what a vintage first model Leaf would be worth in 50 years?

There's research ongoing into replacing the lithium ion with solid state batteries, these last longer and hold more energy. I suppose if you look at the original mobile phone, basically a large battery in a carry case with a standard telephone receiver attached, and compare it to today's smart phone, it's likely to be a similar journey of development.

[Wokingclaret]

All sounds very good (like trains). Alright for leisure unless you need to rely on it day in day out to get you where you need to be at a set time.

i hear about free charging until demand grows so much there's a que..... a few years yet to develop further me thinks

[Wokingclaret]

Range fear.....and that's before I put the heater on

[dougcollins]

Looking for a charging point when you're half way to Brighton and already running late..

[Zlatan]

Henry Ford Speaks

You're one of the ones I like Tim... dont spoil it

[Bullabill]

Wokingclaret » .........

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:09 am
No servicing, as such, either!


"Don't forget the breaks Ian"


Ian, I think he might have been referring to the brakes! If you don't have the car serviced how can you be sure that brakes and steering etc. are up to scratch ?

[NewClaret]

They'll be re-cycled to create more electricity.

[Hipper]

I realise that the government can invest tax payers money in a charging grid because perhaps it is in the national interest (clean air in particular) but they didn't do so with petrol stations generally did they?

I would have thought it would be better if car manufacturers/electricity supply companies sort this out, perhaps with a carrot/stick approach from our government, so that users will actually pay for it.

[Bosscat]

I realise that the government can invest tax payers money in a charging grid because perhaps it is in the national interest (clean air in particular) but they didn't do so with petrol stations generally did they?

I would have thought it would be better if car manufacturers/electricity supply companies sort this out, perhaps with a carrot/stick approach from our government, so that users will actually pay for it.

More Super Markets could jump in on the act offering fast charging bays...

Come and charge your car while you shop ......

[IanMcL]

Wokingclaret » .........

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:09 am
No servicing, as such, either!


"Don't forget the breaks Ian"


Ian, I think he might have been referring to the brakes! If you don't have the car serviced how can you be sure that brakes and steering etc. are up to scratch ?

Should have said so then!

Brakes....
Most braking is done by the motors driving the wheels, that adds to the regeneration, so you dont use the brakes much.

Having said that, Tesla, for their own safety from suing, advise an inspection of brakes every couple of years.

As you have an MOT each year, that does me.


You can do a lease on a Model 3 for a reasonable sum, if you want a new vehicle.

[IanMcL]

In answer to Wokings question, you do set off with a full charge, so it does depend on your distance. The superchargers whack in about 80% charge in half an hour. You would need to be travelling huge journeys (like me) to feel any pain.

[chorleyhere]

Billy Balfour
Because I bought the car from the Chorley Nissan dealership they had a link with Pod Point and I went through them. I had a choice of chargers, the least powerful would have been free, but I chose the 7Kw one and it cost me £85 on top of the government grant of £500. I had to send a number of photos to show the desired installation point, the electricity supply point and a view of the house, drive and garage. The fitter came at 9:30 and after fitting and demonstration of the charging process left at 11:40am. I consider that was good value for £85 considering the the cable length needed to reach the garage and fixing it to the wall. The point is well placed for charging either on the drive or in the garage.

[chorleyhere]

The fitter that installed the PodPoint also talked about the scheme which will adapt street lights for chargers in urban areas and the the fact that the owner of his firm is looking into developing kerb side charging points in streets where car owners don't have drives. as the saying goes .....
"Necessity is the mother of invention" meaning that the primary driving force for most new inventions is a need.

Things will change pretty fast in the next few years. I got an EV because I wanted to see how it would turn out, I didn't want to wait for an e-Niro to be delivered sometime in the future. That would have given me the range that would have suited my possible longer driving needs. But these days we tend to go on Alfa travel coach holidays and let someone else do the driving and worrying about motorway hold ups, plus I have worked out that with the cost of the fuel, it's far better to go on a half board basis with excursions included than pay for the entry fees and the strain of smart motorways !!!!

[Devils_Advocate]

Have you got any pics Chorley?

[LoveCurryPies]

I think new electric cars are the future and great for this who can afford to buy one.

However, I do wonder about the costs of running an older one. Computers generally last about 5 years before you need a replacement. Even if they are fine there comes a time when their operating systems are no longer compatible with the OS updates. So how much to replace the entire digital dashboard when that suddenly fails? Or, how much to replace the huge batteries when they will no longer hold their charge?

[Billy Balfour]

Billy Balfour
Because I bought the car from the Chorley Nissan dealership they had a link with Pod Point and I went through them. I had a choice of chargers, the least powerful would have been free, but I chose the 7Kw one and it cost me £85 on top of the government grant of £500.

Thanks for the info, Chorley.

[Billy Balfour]

So how much to replace the entire digital dashboard when that suddenly fails? Or, how much to replace the huge batteries when they will no longer hold their charge?

You can say the same for most cars on todays roads with regards to digital dashboards. Also, I think someone said upthread that EV batteries are warrantied for at least eight years and 100,000 miles.

My wife's next car will most likely be an EV. I'm waiting until 300 miles becomes the industry standard or at least until every car parking bay in motorway service stations has a charge point.

[IanMcL]

I watched 'Snowpiercer' last night (same director as 'Parasite') and the epic train on that had a Perpetual Motion engine. It was also mentioned in a song by Creedence Clearwater Revival, do you know which?

Proud Mary keeps on driving!

[IanMcL]

I think new electric cars are the future and great for this who can afford to buy one.

However, I do wonder about the costs of running an older one. Computers generally last about 5 years before you need a replacement. Even if they are fine there comes a time when their operating systems are no longer compatible with the OS updates. So how much to replace the entire digital dashboard when that suddenly fails? Or, how much to replace the huge batteries when they will no longer hold their charge?

The thing to remember is that the engine doesn't conk out after 100k miles. There are Teslas out there with 2-300k miles clocked and no signs of conking out.

[deanothedino]

From the rotation of the wheels or motion of the vehicle you would need to capture at least the same amount of energy that it takes to power it, that technology doesn't exist currently.

And never will, because the very idea violates the laws of physics.

[deanothedino]

Wokingclaret » .........

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:09 am
No servicing, as such, either!


"Don't forget the breaks Ian"


Ian, I think he might have been referring to the brakes! If you don't have the car serviced how can you be sure that brakes and steering etc. are up to scratch ?

If you're only having your brakes inspected it will be a fraction of the cost main dealers sting you for servicing an ICE vehicle.

[IanMcL]

If you're only having your brakes inspected it will be a fraction of the cost main dealers sting you for servicing an ICE vehicle.

Nothing when part of the annual mot check!

[Bosscat]

If you're only having your brakes inspected it will be a fraction of the cost main dealers sting you for servicing an ICE vehicle.

Does an ICE vehicle come equiped with snow chains or Studded tyres ???

[deanothedino]

Does an ICE vehicle come equiped with snow chains or Studded tyres ???

Don't quit the day job.

I'm sure you know what it stands for.

[Bosscat]

Don't quit the day job.

I'm sure you know what it stands for.

I see the sense of humour bypass was successful

[IanMcL]

My Tesla is 4 wheel drive too!

Beats the ICE!

[tarkys_ears]

Ian, what Tesla do you have?

I don't do a lot of miles but I might be interested in a 3.

Hows the autopilot?

[CanuckClaret]

Just playing devil's advocate here but what if.... https://thedriven.io/2020/02/24/what-if ... trol-cars/