The Steve Cook handball in the first half

[Rileybobs]

It can if the direction is at right angles with an horizon, so the pitch might be a good benchmark to use there. Otherwise, the ball would simply move in a non-vertical direction with a positive incline.

Glad we’ve cleared that up. So if the ball had hit Billing’s shoulder it would have moved in a non-vertical direction with a positive incline. I meant to say that the first time but predictive text.

[taio]

When the ball travels 40 yards and hits the player's arm there should be no doubt.

[ksrclaret]

Glad we’ve cleared that up. So if the ball had hit Billing’s shoulder it would have moved in a non-vertical direction with a positive incline. I meant to say that the first time but predictive text.

Me too. If you're going to use the laws of physics to support an argument, the least you can do is make sure they're correct.

[Rileybobs]

Me too. If you're going to use the laws of physics to support an argument, the least you can do is make sure they're correct.

Yeah, most people wouldn’t be anal about my use of the word vertical though I guess.

[ksrclaret]

Yeah, most people wouldn’t be anal about my use of the word vertical though I guess.

Possibly not Rileybobs, possibly not. But I just thought you could do with an education on the matter since you presented your statement as fact, when it was clearly incorrect.

I like how you managed to get the word anal into your post though. Full marks there.

[ClaretTony]

The first goal did NOT hit his arm

Think you need to look at it again - it did

[bfcmik]

Is the shoulder handball? If so then both decisions were correct

The shoulder is counted as the part of the torso where the shoulder joint sits. The movable part at the side of the shoulder is the arm and it is classed as handball if the ball hits the arm. Hence why the armpit is the delineation for torso in the offside calculations.

For the 1st VAR decision you can also clearly see their player flick his arm (above his triceps) at the ball which then deflects the ball and leads to a goal being scored. Definite handball and correctly ruled out

[Blackburn_Claret]

Think you need to look at it again - it did

So where did the ball hit Ben Mee last week?

[Rileybobs]

Possibly not Rileybobs, possibly not. But I just thought you could do with an education on the matter since you presented your statement as fact, when it was clearly incorrect.

I like how you managed to get the word anal into your post though. Full marks there.

I still don’t believe it to be incorrect to be honest. By my understanding of physics, an object can still move vertically if the overall direction isn’t 90 degrees to the horizontal. The object would have a horizontal and vertical direction.

[ksrclaret]

I still don’t believe it to be incorrect to be honest. By my understanding of physics, an object can still move vertically if the overall direction isn’t 90 degrees to the horizontal. The object would have a horizontal and vertical direction.

Did you just google that? but yes correct and I suppose I will have to hold my hands up. An object certainly can have movement in both directions. It's a little crude but I've seen it in literature. It's much clearer to define non-vertical movement by way of it's gradient though. That's just the scientist in me though.

The word you were looking for though was simply 'upwards' in this case though, because of course vertical movement can be a downwards movement too, and that would have completely gone against the point you were making.

Well I've enjoyed this anal experience with you Riley. Have you? We must do it again sometime.

[Rileybobs]

Did you just google that? but yes correct and I suppose I will have to hold my hands up. An object certainly can have movement in both directions. It's a little crude but I've seen it in literature. It's much clearer to define non-vertical movement by way of it's gradient though. That's just the scientist in me though.

The word you were looking for though was simply 'upwards' in this case though, because of course vertical movement can be a downwards movement too, and that would have completely gone against the point you were making.

Well I've enjoyed this anal experience with you Riley. Have you? We must do it again sometime.

No google actually. Just trying to recall my A-level physics days - projectiles etc.

Yes, granted I worded the post wrong - sure you got my drift though!

Yes - it’s my first time actually and I must say it was more fun than I expected. Until next time...

[ClaretTony]

So where did the ball hit Ben Mee last week?

You clearly don’t understand the new rule if you have to ask that. If the ball hits an attacking player’s arm and leads to a goal then the goal should not be allowed.

Ben Mee was a defending player and different rules apply. His arm was not in an unnatural position and he did not deliberately play the ball - therefore no handball.

[Blackburn_Claret]

You clearly don’t understand the new rule if you have to ask that. If the ball hits an attacking player’s arm and leads to a goal then the goal should not be allowed.

Ben Mee was a defending player and different rules apply. His arm was not in an unnatural position and he did not deliberately play the ball - therefore no handball.

Was their player attacking in his own box then?

[ClaretTony]

Was their player attacking in his own box then?

Neither of the two VAR decisions were in their own box. The one that was, VAR did not overturn.

[Blackburn_Claret]

Neither of the two VAR decisions were in their own box. The one that was, VAR did not overturn.

So how did we get a penalty?

[ClaretTony]

So how did we get a penalty?

I’m losing the plot here, of course the second one was in his own box but that one is a clear handball off his arm with him deliberately moving his arm towards the ball to try and stop it going to Hendrick.

[Blackburn_Claret]

I’m losing the plot here, of course the second one was in his own box but that one is a clear handball off his arm with him deliberately moving his arm towards the ball to try and stop it going to Hendrick.

So it was in his own box and he wasnt attacking so now you change it to it was deliberate because you was talking nonsense? Smart move CT

[ClaretTony]

So it was in his own box and he wasnt attacking so now you change it to it was deliberate because you was talking nonsense? Smart move CT

A player deliberately handled the ball in his own box and a penalty was awarded. How is it you can’t get your head round that?

[Blackburn_Claret]

A player deliberately handled the ball in his own box and a penalty was awarded. How is it you can’t get your head round that?

Im still struggling to get my head around a Bournemouth player attacking in his own box? It hit his arm earlier but now it was deliberate?

[ClaretTony]

Im still struggling to get my head around a Bournemouth player attacking in his own box? It hit his arm earlier but now it was deliberate?

I corrected my mistake in the next post.

Their disallowed goal hit Billing’s arm and the rules now mean it does not have to be deliberate if it leads to a goal.

The penalty is clear for everyone to see the way he waves his arm at it. His arm is in an unnatural position and therefore an obvious penalty.

[Rileybobs]

Im still struggling to get my head around a Bournemouth player attacking in his own box? It hit his arm earlier but now it was deliberate?

The second one was a handball regardless of whether Bournemouth were attacking. But it just so happens that the handball was also made by the attacking team in the build up to a goal, which we all know isn’t allowed. It’s irrelevant because it was a penalty regardless of whether Bournemouth scored or not - but if the handball was outside of the box Bournemouth’s goal still would have been disallowed.

[dsr]

I'l try and clear it up for you, Blackburn.

1. Ben Mee last week was a defender who had his arms by his side and the ball was hit at him from close range. He did not have an unnatural body shape and did nnot have time to get his arm out of the way. Hence, no handball.

2. Billings yesterday was an attacker. The ball came off his arm and Bournemouth scored. Hence, handball.

3. The penalty yesterday - the defender stretched out an arm and blocked a ball that had travelled quite some distance without being deflected. Hence, penalty.

The only arguments against are Eddie Howe's arguments that both decisions yesterday were shoulder, not arm. The argument might be valid for the first one but I think it clearly was off his Premier League badge which is certainly not on the shoulder. There is no argument about the second because the ball was passing to the player's left and he extended some part of the body to the left to block it. You can't extend a shoulder - it is fixed. It was his arm that he extended.

[Blackburn_Claret]

I'l try and clear it up for you, Blackburn.

1. Ben Mee last week was a defender who had his arms by his side and the ball was hit at him from close range. He did not have an unnatural body shape and did nnot have time to get his arm out of the way. Hence, no handball.

2. Billings yesterday was an attacker. The ball came off his arm and Bournemouth scored. Hence, handball.

3. The penalty yesterday - the defender stretched out an arm and blocked a ball that had travelled quite some distance without being deflected. Hence, penalty.

The only arguments against are Eddie Howe's arguments that both decisions yesterday were shoulder, not arm. The argument might be valid for the first one but I think it clearly was off his Premier League badge which is certainly not on the shoulder. There is no argument about the second because the ball was passing to the player's left and he extended some part of the body to the left to block it. You can't extend a shoulder - it is fixed. It was his arm that he extended.

You've cleared nothing up because youve said theres an arguement for the first one.

[Zlatan]

So where did the ball hit Ben Mee last week?

Irrelevant of course, because the caveat in the handball rule - Ben Mee was very close to where the ball was kick and his arm was naturally by his side - just stop being obtuse about “our” team (if in fact it is also your team)

[dsr]

You've cleared nothing up because youve said theres an arguement for the first one.

You were making many and contradictory arguments. I have explained why only one of them is valid. Not necessarily right, but valid.