Covid-19

[Rileybobs]

Yes both have had a 20% pay cut and both having to worl. One is having to work harder than normal because his staff has bern furloughed.

But you do understand that both of them could have been furloughed regardless of their salary?

And no response to my other questions?

[paulatky]

But you do understand that both of them could have been furloughed regardless of their salary?

And no response to my other questions?

What were your other questions ?

Yes they could but they both were needed to work by their companies during the lockdown had they been furloughed they would not have been able to work.
I do know the rules regarding but you had to jump straight in and say I was wrong.

[Damo]

Cannot believe the government haven't accounted for "eating extra food because you are bored" when they came up with the furlough scheme.
There ought to be an inquiry when all this blows over

[Rileybobs]

What were your other questions ?

Yes they could but they both were needed to work by their companies during the lockdown had they been furloughed they would not have been able to work.
I do know the rules regarding but you had to jump straight in and say I was wrong.

The other questions were the sentences I wrote that ended with a question mark. To make it easier it was the questions querying whether you’re ‘over eating’ was really causing your shopping bill to increase significantly. Glad you backed it up with a bit of googling though.

You were wrong because you said that people earning above £30k were having to take pay cuts because they were above the limit for furlough. This is simply not true. And rather than holding your hands up and admitting so, you try and deflect away from it.

[paulatky]

If one of your other questions was “ yes but overeating doesnt equate to overspending does it “ or words to that effect.

Yes in all probability it does by default.
Bread has cost us more because we have had to use the bakers shop as supermarkets ususally out of stock very early in morning. Wife then buys a couple of cakes as a treat whilst in there.
Get 4 for 3 on bottles of beer offers not available at supermarkets etc. Online delivery when we got one substituted higher price items for out of stock cheaper ones and that cost us an extra £13 on a £80 shop.

I am not complaining just pointing out to you some of the difficulties.

[paulatky]

The other questions were the sentences I wrote that ended with a question mark. To make it easier it was the questions querying whether you’re ‘over eating’ was really causing your shopping bill to increase significantly. Glad you backed it up with a bit of googling though.

You were wrong because you said that people earning above £30k were having to take pay cuts because they were above the limit for furlough. This is simply not true. And rather than holding your hands up and admitting so, you try and deflect away from it.

Course its true, the government scheme only reimburses upto £2,500 per month and those furloughed workers cant do work for the company that furloughed them . But can work for someone else with permission

[Rileybobs]

If one of your other questions was “ yes but overeating doesnt equate to overspending does it “ or words to that effect.

Yes in all probability it does by default.
Bread has cost us more because we have had to use the bakers shop as supermarkets ususally out of stock very early in morning. Wife then buys a couple of cakes as a treat whilst in there.
Get 4 for 3 on bottles of beer offers not available at supermarkets etc. Online delivery when we got one substituted higher price items for out of stock cheaper ones and that cost us an extra £13 on a £80 shop.

I am not complaining just pointing out to you some of the difficulties.

Stop it. This is what you do. You answer a question that hasn’t been asked. You said that your shopping bill has gone up as you’re eating more because you’re bored. I could claim that my shopping bill has increased because I’ve been buying cars as I’ve nothing better to do.

I don’t care about the offers you’re not able to redeem, I asked you to clarify why your shopping bill has increased substantially because of your chronic over eating.

[Rileybobs]

Course its true, the government scheme only reimburses upto £2,500 per month and those furloughed workers cant do work for the company that furloughed them . But can work for someone else with permission

What you posted is not true. There is not a salary limit that prevents someone from being furloughed. Stop lying.

[paulatky]

The other questions were the sentences I wrote that ended with a question mark. To make it easier it was the questions querying whether you’re ‘over eating’ was really causing your shopping bill to increase significantly. Glad you backed it up with a bit of googling though.

You were wrong because you said that people earning above £30k were having to take pay cuts because they were above the limit for furlough. This is simply not true. And rather than holding your hands up and admitting so, you try and deflect away from it.

You really are tiresome.

Before covid-19 I very rarely posted on here so not really come across you before.

But 2moro I will look back through your post history to see if you normally behave in this way
I would have a guess that you do as you come across as somebody who would nikpic and argue with his own shadow. If I am wrong I will apologise later

[Rileybobs]

You really are tiresome.

Before covid-19 I very rarely posted on here so not really come across you before.

But 2moro I will look back through your post history to see if you normally behave in this way
I would have a guess that you do as you come across as somebody who would nikpic and argue with his own shadow. If I am wrong I will apologise later

Sounds like you’ve got a fun day ahead. Enjoy.

If by behave in this way you mean call out bull sh!t then you’re going to have a field day. Hopefully you will see that I rarely resort to anything abusive.

I don’t know why you feel you should be able to post comments on a public forum without challenge. And it’s been proven on numerous occasions that what you post is at best misinformation and at worst lies. Not sure what nikpic is either, sounds like a Japanese photography brand.

[dsr]

Bread has cost us more because we have had to use the bakers shop as supermarkets ususally out of stock very early in morning. Wife then buys a couple of cakes as a treat whilst in there.

People who can afford to buy cakes = not a problem.

People who are bored, have nothing to do, can't afford cakes, and still buy them = stupid.

I don't doubt that you are able to afford cakes and aren't putting yourself in Dicky's Meadow as a result. But you're bored and have nothing to do. Buy the flour, milk, sugar, etc. and bake your own cakes.

(And don't expect my heart to bleed for those who get chucked out of their houses because they have spent the mortgage money on pigging out on expensive cake.)

[paulatky]

Good night and stay safe !!

[KateR]

well that was a fun read, Yowser

[KateR]

Deaths in November-December were 3,661 (4%) above average, the corresponding figures for January-February were 4,105 (3.7%) below average, resulting in a net "gain" of 444 lives over 18 weeks. About 3 a day over the whole country. About 2 per hospital over the whole 4 month period. Below average. But even if it was the other way round, it's hardly "unprecedented pressure".

So I'm not really sure what you are trying say here, I only took something regarding deaths previously as opposed to just deaths during the last few weeks, but I'll have a good and then you can join in and help me with your comments.

The week of Nov was mentioned, for one week, mind you was 10,958 for England and Wales but the average for the proceeding 5 year average was 10,164, so in a full week much higher than reported for C-19 in any given week as it totals every day. We can't compare now and then because all we know, or at least all I know is C-19 deaths, whether with or of, we can probably safely assume that deaths due to road accidents will be significantly reduced during this period but am sure there are other deaths not attributed to C-19 at all, number unknown. Yet in those 3 weeks mentioned, 16/22/last week Nov there were approx. 800 deaths higher/week, and the report said staffing shortages & flu/norovirus had put unprecedented pressure on the NHS.

so is your post in regard to reports trying to be being "sensational", shock horror if you are actually hypothesizing this
Plus because of you detective work, you can positively conclude and debunk the conspiracy theory that the C-19 virus might have been with us much longer than thought? Although looking at said data we could conclude, no, no I'm going to give up here

Or did I miss the point totally, which is much more likely to be the case?

[Bfcboyo]

So you statistical number crunchers, what were the average number of deaths in other years against the data so far for this year on the attached link below.

Sorry I don't have the time , still working !

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Edit. Doh somebody already done this above I see.

[Bfcboyo]

So I'm not really sure what you are trying say here, I only took something regarding deaths previously as opposed to just deaths during the last few weeks, but I'll have a good and then you can join in and help me with your comments.

The week of Nov was mentioned, for one week, mind you was 10,958 for England and Wales but the average for the proceeding 5 year average was 10,164, so in a full week much higher than reported for C-19 in any given week as it totals every day. We can't compare now and then because all we know, or at least all I know is C-19 deaths, whether with or of, we can probably safely assume that deaths due to road accidents will be significantly reduced during this period but am sure there are other deaths not attributed to C-19 at all, number unknown. Yet in those 3 weeks mentioned, 16/22/last week Nov there were approx. 800 deaths higher/week, and the report said staffing shortages & flu/norovirus had put unprecedented pressure on the NHS.

so is your post in regard to reports trying to be being "sensational", shock horror if you are actually hypothesizing this
Plus because of you detective work, you can positively conclude and debunk the conspiracy theory that the C-19 virus might have been with us much longer than thought? Although looking at said data we could conclude, no, no I'm going to give up here

Or did I miss the point totally, which is much more likely to be the case?

What I am seeing is so far not many more deaths than average per week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

Between this link and the link on the above post it looks obvious that the dreaded covid 19 is not going to kill many more people than that of an average years deaths in the UK. It is simply swiping the reapers scythe a little faster for some.

And then you see mass graves and Italian NHS deaths and think that can't be right ???

Nobody has a clue yet.

[Grumps]

That’s why I never bothered questioning as I knew you wasn’t sure, to be honest I don’t really believe in stats anyway I go with my gut instinct it’s far more reliable it hasn’t let me down yet first time for everything I guess!

Yet spent half a post discussing 'my' 40%

[Grumps]

Not quite, a little nugget arrived earlier stating that 40% of the working population had job security bearing in mind that most of us are furloughed & not guaranteed our jobs back & that’s not even considering the people on temporary contracts (agency workers) & zero hours working & nobody falling ill, which is even more risky in today’s environment with the virus & assuming most businesses will be prosperous without laying any staff off, that takes some trumping.

I take it you are referring to the one where I said someone had posted this but I couldn't remember the exact figures, so don't quote it as fact?
You also said you don't believe in stats

[Grumps]

I Carnt remember the exact figures, so please don't quote me as fact, but it was something like 60% of people own their own house, so won't be affected
Out of the other 40% many will be in jobs that are secure, virus or no virus.. Nurses, doctors, teachers, police, fire etc etc
I did a non scientific survey of around 30 households who I know, and I saw only one that could be under threat of losing their house if it went horribly wrong, and that's because they're self employed.

The post that Jakubclaret refers to.
He states that I say 40% of the working population had job security
Now I've read the post, again and again and I Carnt see that. I do say that 'many' of the 40% will be in secure jobs, and explain who
Yet he decides to misquote again just in some juvenile attempt to ridicule someone
You've been taking lessons from your mate Paul, but like him, you're not very good at it.

[NottsClaret]

I hope we follow France’s lead this week and pick a date in May to say schools or certain shops can reopen.

Even if they don’t, I’d welcome a little false hope right now that this will begin to end. And when I say ‘this’ I mean this thread.

[Zlatan]

Please can some people on here watch this... the first couple of sentences are interesting

https://www.masterclass.com/classes/nei ... gIHu_D_BwE

[paulatky]

well that was a fun read, Yowser

Glad you enjoyed it.

Which part of the states are you in.

[claretonthecoast1882]

A better state than you're in

[paulatky]

The post that Jakubclaret refers to.
He states that I say 40% of the working population had job security
Now I've read the post, again and again and I Carnt see that. I do say that 'many' of the 40% will be in secure jobs, and explain who
Yet he decides to misquote again just in some juvenile attempt to ridicule someone
You've been taking lessons from your mate Paul, but like him, you're not very good at it.

By saying from your own personal survey that only 1 in 30 households were under threat of losing a job you imply that the very large majority of the 40% mentioned will be secure it their jobs.

If that 1 in 30 is true your family and friends are very lucky as that is nowhere the case amongst mine.

[paulatky]

A better state than you're in

Welcome to the party

[Danieljwaterhouse]

You really are tiresome.

Before covid-19 I very rarely posted on here so not really come across you before.

But 2moro I will look back through your post history to see if you normally behave in this way
I would have a guess that you do as you come across as somebody who would nikpic and argue with his own shadow. If I am wrong I will apologise later

Read that back And decide if that’s the right way for a grown man to respond to someone regardless of the provocation.

Also: 2morro < tomorrow

[paulatky]

Read that back And decide if that’s the right way for a grown man to respond to someone regardless of the provocation.

Also: 2morro < tomorrow

I think its a very good way to get an insight into a person’s attitude and character.

It will tell me if the person is a windup up merchant,maybe someone who mostly posts late at night after having a drink etc etc.

Helps to know something about the person you are communicating with.

Makes perfect sense to me

[paulatky]

Please can some people on here watch this... the first couple of sentences are interesting

https://www.masterclass.com/classes/nei ... gIHu_D_BwE

When I tried to load the link it is subscription only.

Perhaps you could write the 1st 2 sentences for us.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Spanks of underhand menace and childish behaviour to me.

I’m sure it made sense to the Gestapo when they did the same...

I’ll look forward to your report SS-Oberscharführer

[claretonthecoast1882]

When I tried to load the link it is subscription only.

Perhaps you could write the 1st 2 sentences for us.

I have just clicked the link 3 times and the video has begun each time. Try again, the first 2 sentences are perfect for you.

[tim_noone]

Spanks of underhand menace and childish behaviour to me.

I’m sure it made sense to the Gestapo when they did the same...

I’ll look forward to your report SS-Oberscharführer

I get your childish comments point..but did they also run the Gestapo?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I get your childish comments point..but did they also run the Gestapo?

Who are they...

[tim_noone]

Who are they...

Children.

[Zlatan]

When I tried to load the link it is subscription only.

Perhaps you could write the 1st 2 sentences for us.

it worked fine for me without subscription...

"One of the great challenges of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong" - Neil deGrasse Tyson

[thatdberight]

Read that back And decide if that’s the right way for a grown man to respond to someone regardless of the provocation.

Also: 2morro < tomorrow

2moro*

If you're going to nikpic (sic)...

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Children.

Well yes, the children may have run the Gestapo. I’ve no factual/analytical evidence but I will check back into the Clarets Mad/Bee hole End for a supporting anecdotal argument to ‘prove’ my conspiracy.

[FactualFrank]

Coronvirus UK LIVE: Lockdown set for three-week extension as worldwide cases of Covid-19 near 2 million

[FactualFrank]

"One of the great challenges of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong" - Neil deGrasse Tyson

Excellent.

[thatdberight]

Among the interesting tidbits this morning.

Piers Morgan attempts to rewrite the tax code (specifically input VAT) live on air with a DWP minister.

The Guardian seems to dig up that the botched EU procurement non-involvement fiasco was as a result of emails going to a dead Civil Service email address (although obviously that doesn't cover why somebody decided to make up the line that we'd decided to go it alone). Ventilators quoted as 10-52 week lead time on that scheme but other PPE that we need has been procured.

[tim_noone]

Well yes, the children may have run the Gestapo. I’ve no factual/analytical evidence but I will check back into the Clarets Mad/Bee hole End for a supporting anecdotal argument to ‘prove’ my conspiracy.

fully understood.

[Grumps]

By saying from your own personal survey that only 1 in 30 households were under threat of losing a job you imply that the very large majority of the 40% mentioned will be secure it their jobs.

If that 1 in 30 is true your family and friends are very lucky as that is nowhere the case amongst mine.

I didn't make any comment on the results, or imply anything, and like I clearly stated it was not a scientific study
Perhaps most of those 30 are over 60 and own their own house
Perhaps most are teachers, or police
But you don't ask, do you? You just jump in with wild assumptions.

[paulatky]

I didn't make any comment on the results, or imply anything, and like I clearly stated it was not a scientific study
Perhaps most of those 30 are over 60 and own their own house
Perhaps most are teachers, or police
But you don't ask, do you? You just jump in with wild assumptions.

If you didn’t think the 1 in 30 was representative why mention it in the 1st place to back up your argument. If that 30 are over 60 or in the police dont you have younger family or are they all in the police too.

Just asking for a friend

[dsr]

So I'm not really sure what you are trying say here, I only took something regarding deaths previously as opposed to just deaths during the last few weeks, but I'll have a good and then you can join in and help me with your comments.

The week of Nov was mentioned, for one week, mind you was 10,958 for England and Wales but the average for the proceeding 5 year average was 10,164, so in a full week much higher than reported for C-19 in any given week as it totals every day. We can't compare now and then because all we know, or at least all I know is C-19 deaths, whether with or of, we can probably safely assume that deaths due to road accidents will be significantly reduced during this period but am sure there are other deaths not attributed to C-19 at all, number unknown. Yet in those 3 weeks mentioned, 16/22/last week Nov there were approx. 800 deaths higher/week, and the report said staffing shortages & flu/norovirus had put unprecedented pressure on the NHS.

so is your post in regard to reports trying to be being "sensational", shock horror if you are actually hypothesizing this
Plus because of you detective work, you can positively conclude and debunk the conspiracy theory that the C-19 virus might have been with us much longer than thought? Although looking at said data we could conclude, no, no I'm going to give up here

Or did I miss the point totally, which is much more likely to be the case?

The point is that between November and February, average deaths were lower than they have been in previous years. So any article that took one particularly high week as its premise and extrapolated to make conclusions from high deaths over the winter, is basing itself on a false premise and can be ignored. It may have had statistical basis in December when it was written, but subsequent events have proved it false.

[FactualFrank]

You two need to get a room.

[Spijed]

The point is that between November and February, average deaths were lower than they have been in previous years. So any article that took one particularly high week as its premise and extrapolated to make conclusions from high deaths over the winter, is basing itself on a false premise and can be ignored. It may have had statistical basis in December when it was written, but subsequent events have proved it false.

Different countries are recording the cause of deaths differently it seems.

For example in the UK, if someone suffers a massive heart attack which leaves them with no chance of survival when they get to hospital, but are found to have the virus, that will be reported as the cause of death whereas in Germany the heart attack will be given as the cause.

Perhaps that's why we are seeing a lower number of deaths in Germany.

[uptheclarets]

Sounds like you’ve got a fun day ahead. Enjoy.

If by behave in this way you mean call out bull sh!t then you’re going to have a field day. Hopefully you will see that I rarely resort to anything abusive.

I don’t know why you feel you should be able to post comments on a public forum without challenge. And it’s been proven on numerous occasions that what you post is at best misinformation and at worst lies. Not sure what nikpic is either, sounds like a Japanese photography brand.

The biggest difference is our number of posts per day. You average 4.5 posts per day whereas I average just 0.8 posts over the same time period.

And over 35% of my total posts are to this very thread.

I only post rarely and only to something I feel strongly about whereas you seem to like to stick your oar in to a number of different threads just for the sake of it.

You also seem to be polite at first but then as you start to appear to be losing an argument you become more and more abusive.

You also appear to be in the habit of saying people are lying when you disagree with what they are saying, even though a lot of the opinions are subjective in the first place.

[Jakubclaret]

I can personally vouch for that even when a right or wrong doesn’t exist, some people will find a problem with a blank piece of paper if you was to give it to them, the person in question would have a argument in a empty room given half the chance.

[thatdberight]

I only post rarely and only to something I feel strongly about ...

Any chance of backing this up then (your post of a couple of weeks ago):

"My educated guess is we are heading for a worldwide recession the scale of which has never been seen before. 80% of the world’s population will be on ULA - universal living allowance which will be just the bare minimum needed to exist."

Firstly, please give me the details of what you've got that mean it's an educated guess. Then some details of the research you're citing (or if it's your own research a synopsis of / link to that).

[claretonthecoast1882]

The biggest difference is our number of posts per day. You average 4.5 posts per day whereas I average just 0.8 posts over the same time period.

And over 35% of my total posts are to this very thread.

I only post rarely and only to something I feel strongly about whereas you seem to like to stick your oar in to a number of different threads just for the sake of it.

You also seem to be polite at first but then as you start to appear to be losing an argument you become more and more abusive.

You also appear to be in the habit of saying people are lying when you disagree with what they are saying, even though a lot of the opinions are subjective in the first place.

paulatky averages 0.8 posts a day with 35% of his posts on this thread

uptheclarets averages 0.05 posts a day with 13% of their posts on this thread

Are you both posters ?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Oops