Covid-19

[Holtyclaret]

The latest infection rates are up.

The reported value of r is between 0.7 and 1 is what’s been reported today, I know.

[NewClaret]

Nope.

Phew

[martin_p]

The reported value of r is between 0.7 and 1 is what’s been reported today, I know.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus ... s-11988983

[KateR]

not really sure what the relevance of what this is though as the R number. Given we have seen over weeks and weeks an upward trend then a drop and recently days of a falling trend then an uptick, I am thinking the R number will also change almost daily on numbers tested etc. Therefore we need to be watching the overall R trend for a few days/week to be sure of which way things are going.

Am I missing something?

[paulatky]

not really sure what the relevance of what this is though as the R number. Given we have seen over weeks and weeks an upward trend then a drop and recently days of a falling trend then an uptick, I am thinking the R number will also change almost daily on numbers tested etc. Therefore we need to be watching the overall R trend for a few days/week to be sure of which way things are going.

Am I missing something?

Yes an understanding of what R is.

The R rate was at its highest on the 23rd March , the day of lockdown, when it is thought it might have been as high as 3. Lockdown resulted in it falling probably to its lowest level 2 1/2 weeks ago at which point there seemed an unofficial releasing of lockdown .
It probably got down to 0.7 but is rising again and there is not much wriggle room before it get to 1 which is the critical level

[Bangers&Mash]

not really sure what the relevance of what this is though as the R number. Given we have seen over weeks and weeks an upward trend then a drop and recently days of a falling trend then an uptick, I am thinking the R number will also change almost daily on numbers tested etc. Therefore we need to be watching the overall R trend for a few days/week to be sure of which way things are going.

Am I missing something?

Nope, nothing at all. It's not a coincidence that just over 2 week ago there was a real increase in testing. Highly unlikely theres a real increase in infection, just more infection being confirmed.

[dsr]

If you’re happy assuming that anyone, no matter what age, who contracts a virus cannot pass it on, then fine. I’ll stick with my assumption that they most certainly can.
As a further point - load of rubbish about only picking it up from touching infected areas. It is airborne, as all viruses are. How many, I wonder, have been on a flight and subsequently developed some cold symptoms?

Now I know you're on the wind up. You're telling me that the AIDS virus is airborne? For years they have said it could only be passed on via bodily fluids of one kind or another. Have you contacted the medical authorities with your findings?

Inciodentally, I didn't say that I assumed that nobody who contracted a virus can pass it on. I didn't even say that children can't pass it on. What I did do was contest your assertion that children are excellent carriers. I hadn't heard that, and since you are utterly certain, you have obviously seen something I haven't. I would like to see the evidence that you have seen so that I can become as utterly certain to be right as you are.

So please, show me some evidence that children are excellent carriers of coronavirus.

[HunterST_BFC]

Labradors and cocker spaniels

Yeah that seems to be the plan...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52686660

If only Charlie Brooker knew this a couple of days ago it would have rounded off a rather sadly accurate account of affairs even more perfectly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... viral-wipe

The way things have happened and the constant media con...

I am genuinely starting to think the film Idiocracy is happening in front of us,

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

(give at least the film a watch for a bit of a laugh.......)

[jackmiggins]

Now I know you're on the wind up. You're telling me that the AIDS virus is airborne? For years they have said it could only be passed on via bodily fluids of one kind or another. Have you contacted the medical authorities with your findings?

Inciodentally, I didn't say that I assumed that nobody who contracted a virus can pass it on. I didn't even say that children can't pass it on. What I did do was contest your assertion that children are excellent carriers. I hadn't heard that, and since you are utterly certain, you have obviously seen something I haven't. I would like to see the evidence that you have seen so that I can become as utterly certain to be right as you are.

So please, show me some evidence that children are excellent carriers of coronavirus.

Apologies, it was a broad statement and I didn’t have STDs in mind. Regarding children, I thought it was widely known that they are excellent carriers - most probably because they tend to get up close to more people than adults do and can have a reduced awareness of hygiene.

[Grumps]

Yes an understanding of what R is.

The R rate was at its highest on the 23rd March , the day of lockdown, when it is thought it might have been as high as 3. Lockdown resulted in it falling probably to its lowest level 2 1/2 weeks ago at which point there seemed an unofficial releasing of lockdown .
It probably got down to 0.7 but is rising again and there is not much wriggle room before it get to 1 which is the critical level

Apparently the R rate is about 3 weeks behind

The current rise is being attributed to the deaths in care homes

Germanys rate went up one day and the rest of the world said they'd released lockdown to early......... It went down the next day!

It gives us another daily rate to get in a tizz about everyday, but another opportunity for people to become experts in something they didn't know existed 7 weeks ago.

[FactualFrank]

Trial begins to see if dogs can 'sniff out' virus.

A UK trial to see whether specialist medical sniffer dogs can detect coronavirus in humans is set to begin.

The trial will explore whether the "Covid dogs" - made up of Labradors and cocker spaniels - can spot the virus in humans from odour samples before symptoms appear.

It will establish whether so-called bio-detection dogs, which could each screen up to 250 people per hour, could be used as a new early warning measure to detect Covid-19 in the future.

More than 10 years of research gathered by Medical Detection Dogs has shown the dogs can be trained to sniff out the odour of disease at the equivalent dilution of one teaspoon of sugar in two Olympic-sized swimming pools of water.

Dr Claire Guest, the charity's co-founder and chief executive, said she was "sure our dogs will be able to find the odour of Covid-19".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52686660

[Grumps]

Trial begins to see if dogs can 'sniff out' virus.

A UK trial to see whether specialist medical sniffer dogs can detect coronavirus in humans is set to begin.

The trial will explore whether the "Covid dogs" - made up of Labradors and cocker spaniels - can spot the virus in humans from odour samples before symptoms appear.

It will establish whether so-called bio-detection dogs, which could each screen up to 250 people per hour, could be used as a new early warning measure to detect Covid-19 in the future.

More than 10 years of research gathered by Medical Detection Dogs has shown the dogs can be trained to sniff out the odour of disease at the equivalent dilution of one teaspoon of sugar in two Olympic-sized swimming pools of water.

Dr Claire Guest, the charity's co-founder and chief executive, said she was "sure our dogs will be able to find the odour of Covid-19".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52686660

Could be used at airports, similar to drug dogs?

[FactualFrank]

Could be used at airports, similar to drug dogs?

Yeah I think that's the idea. They could be used pretty much everywhere - going into football stadiums too, or other crowded venues.

[Paul Waine]

Could be used at airports, similar to drug dogs?

I've no idea why, but I was thinking c-19 sniffer dogs would be great outside football grounds.

UTC

[Paul Waine]

Yeah I think that's the idea. They could be used pretty much everywhere - going into football stadiums too, or other crowded venues.

and, you can type faster than I can, Factual.

[Hipper]

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[RingoMcCartney]

But why do you think the government is generally doing a good job on the pandemic? You can’t pluck opinions out of thin air, they’ve got to be based on something.

Who's "plucking opinions out of thin air" Marty?

Of course its possible to have a general opinion on any subject and particularly a general opinion about any government at any time.

But if you've concluded that the government's handling of the 2020 unprecedented global pandemic before it's even concleded AND not even considered -

Excess deaths which will be a key determining factor.

A consistent way that deaths are attributed to Covid 19 across different countries

Obesity.

Rates of diabetes.

Ethnic make up of population.

Age demographics.

Population densities.

Poverty.

Whether a country had already experienced similar epidemics like MERS or SARS and had infrastructure already in place which certain countries have.

Whether or not a colder/warmer climate helps or hinders the contagious nature of this new virus.

Whether having global international hub, (LONDON) through which 1000s of people from all over the world pass through on a daily basis, is a disadvantage.

Rates of single occupancy homes

Rates of multiple occupancy homes

Numbers of the population people in care homes.

The potential effect of ultra violet light on the virus in countries experiencing their summer.

The effect of vitamin D deficiency in large swathes of the population at the end of a long grey winter , and its potential effect on helping patients fight the virus


Then, your conclusion and judgement is uninformed and premature.

It's fine! It really is fine for you to say , overall, the government's handling of the crisis, so far has been poor. Just like its permissible for me to say, upto now it's doing well.

For once, try taking "Yes" for an answer.

[CombatClaret]

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[RingoMcCartney]

Is Ringo really trying to build an argument based on the number of fatalities being irrelevant?

No.

I've also said that using the raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis, while we're still in the middle of it is premature, uninformed potentially dangerous and a fools errand.


Dr. Stephen Baker , a professor in molecular microbiology leading a team at Cambridge who have developed a Covid 19 test for front line NHS workers. Speaking on Talk radio last Thursday morning around 8.30 am.

"Headline figures, at this point are only usefull in tracking where about on the virus's progress curve we currently are. With countrys using different methods, it would be unwise to use them for comparisons. Given age, health and obesity appear to be key determinants in a virus that we are still learning about

Nick Strike , head of Health and Life Events at the Office of National Statistics- Speaking on LBC around 9 am last Thursday morning.

"The UK is widely accepted as being the fastest to certify and codify deaths. So I'm not surprised that our numbers are higher at this stage in the pandemic."

"There are large differences in the "method data" ,"reporting structures" between individual countries. Also the fact that we are counting "WITH COVID as opposed to "OF COVID" is also a key determining factor that could explain the greater levels of mortality so far"

Using raw mortality figures at this stage is somewhat premature when trying to ascertain how well individual countries have performed. Population density, age and the ethnic make up of individual populations will be, I think, be important factors to consider"

"The ONS would typically take around ONE YEAR when analysing standardised mortality rates before publishing its findings. Given its still ongoing, its probably going to be some time before we are at that stage"

Karol Sikora - a British physician specialising in oncology. He is currently Medical Director of Rutherford Health plc, Director of Medical Oncology at the Bahamas Cancer Centre, a partner in and dean of the University of Buckingham's medical school.

"Comparisons are dangerous. Spain's figures dont include care homes.

Italy's barely include them.

Frances sporadically include them.

It may make striking headlines,but every country records differently.

Comparisons on figures are pointless for now"

I tend to agree with a professor in molecular microbiology at Cambridge university, the head of Health and Life Events at the ONS, and a leading medical expert and former W.H.O. member.

[Grumps]

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Portugal will be one to keep an eye on. They've kept the numbers low, just over 1,000 deaths, but are exiting lockdown quicker than us, opening more shops, schools restaurants etc.

[jackmiggins]

Yes - seems to be a bit of a race now. Slovenia get Gold!

[paulatky]

Apparently the R rate is about 3 weeks behind

The current rise is being attributed to the deaths in care homes

Germanys rate went up one day and the rest of the world said they'd released lockdown to early......... It went down the next day!

It gives us another daily rate to get in a tizz about everyday, but another opportunity for people to become experts in something they didn't know existed 7 weeks ago.

Estimates of the R rate is not 3 weeks behind.
You just make things up

[jackmiggins]

Notice the yanks have started to talk about their top scientists being muzzled. Possible ours have too, as the only ones we seem to see are the ones that would be sorting admin and budgets in their departments if this hadn’t happened. I’d like to hear more from ‘practicing’ scientists. Is this likely??

[RingoMcCartney]

There you go, it has been posted.

You seem to have glossed over that bit where you were blatantly lying for some reason. No surprise: as you say, we've been there many times before.

You've been quite clever aggi. You've almost managed to derail our discussion by making the conversation about what I said and what I meant when I said it, rather than the subject matter.

But not clever enough.

Let me give you an example . A couple , having an arguement. And she suspects he's playing away. She says, "why are you always working late, not answering your phone, playing more golf?" He replies, " oh, so youre saying I'm having an affair am I!?"

Later, when the arguement crops up again he says, " you said I was having an affair." To which she replied, "no I didnt say that"

Strictly speaking she didn't literally say those actual words, but , this is the point I'm making. Both parties knew and understood what she was implying and he and she both fully understood the implications of what she'd said.

You said

I note the Treasury Select Committee doesn't really agree with your approach.

So I, on the presumption that you actually knew what "my approach" is. Said that for the TSC to disagree with my approach they would have to using the raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis, while we're still in the middle of it.

Like the husband putting words into his wife's mouth, in order to confirm they both understood the point she was making. I was doing the same. Strictly speaking you did not say those words. By me saying it, I was confirming that you were implying it.

And rather than actually stick to the subject we were talking about. You've chosen to misconceive and wilfully misrepresent what I've said and what I meant when saying it.

Fair play for trying , but you failed.

Now, please let's go back to the actual point of your original post. The TSC disagreeing with me. I've tried to google what was said and I'm only able to get a bare bones headlines from the telegraph that, if I want to read more, I've to subscribe. Not happening. It says that with regards to testing the UK was compared to South Korea. And questions were asked as to why testing had been stopped. I cant get any more detail than that. It doesn't say who said it, why they were saying it and if they were, potentially offering suggestions or alternatives.

Now you know as well as anybody that, since this unprecedented global pandemic came along. I've said, people should not rush to make judgements before they know all the facts and relevant information. So, once again, if you could let me have more detail I can reply to your claim that they "disagree with my approach " and

Well they directly compared the UK to another country which is one of the things you've been complaining about.

Please let me make in informed reply. You never know, we may actually agree!

[AndrewJB]

Is the government forcing private schools to reopen before September, to get the parents back to work?

[Grumps]

Estimates of the R rate is not 3 weeks behind.
You just make things up

It's what they said in the briefing yesterday, and in today's press...

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk- ... -increase/

[dsr]

Apologies, it was a broad statement and I didn’t have STDs in mind. Regarding children, I thought it was widely known that they are excellent carriers - most probably because they tend to get up close to more people than adults do and can have a reduced awareness of hygiene.

Children are excellent carriers of colds. Possibly less good at carrying flu because flu affects them worse than adults, as a rule, I believe.

As for coronavirus, the statisiticians have looked at NHS playgroups and pre-school groups and have found only 3 children with coronavirus, and no record of anyone - child or adult - catching coronavirus at a playgroup. If the NHS-specific playgroups aren't catching it or transmitting it, then the chances are that no very young children are.

[RingoMcCartney]

Just to put all this in perspective.

The older brother of my friend works at Blackburn Royal. He's never smoked. Drinks very little. As a young man was a really good amateur boxer winning numerous trophies. Still goes the gym regularly. He's an ex-Teds lad with older kids, now an older dad from his current marriage, to a lovely little lad of 5 years old who goes to the same school as my youngest.

He's tragically contracted the virus , presumably, bravely, doing his job. As I type he's currently in an induced coma on a ventilator, fighting for his life. He's a quietly spoken, always pleasant and very easy to like man. For his age , given he's always looked after himself, probably, as healthy as you could be. Despite that , this bloody evil virus has gripped him, while he was trying to save others.


Keep well and stay safe one and all

[TheFamilyCat]

No.

I've also said that using the raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis, while we're still in the middle of it is premature, uninformed potentially dangerous and a fools errand.


Dr. Stephen Baker , a professor in molecular microbiology leading a team at Cambridge who have developed a Covid 19 test for front line NHS workers. Speaking on Talk radio last Thursday morning around 8.30 am.

"Headline figures, at this point are only usefull in tracking where about on the virus's progress curve we currently are. With countrys using different methods, it would be unwise to use them for comparisons. Given age, health and obesity appear to be key determinants in a virus that we are still learning about

Nick Strike , head of Health and Life Events at the Office of National Statistics- Speaking on LBC around 9 am last Thursday morning.

"The UK is widely accepted as being the fastest to certify and codify deaths. So I'm not surprised that our numbers are higher at this stage in the pandemic."

"There are large differences in the "method data" ,"reporting structures" between individual countries. Also the fact that we are counting "WITH COVID as opposed to "OF COVID" is also a key determining factor that could explain the greater levels of mortality so far"

Using raw mortality figures at this stage is somewhat premature when trying to ascertain how well individual countries have performed. Population density, age and the ethnic make up of individual populations will be, I think, be important factors to consider"

"The ONS would typically take around ONE YEAR when analysing standardised mortality rates before publishing its findings. Given its still ongoing, its probably going to be some time before we are at that stage"

Karol Sikora - a British physician specialising in oncology. He is currently Medical Director of Rutherford Health plc, Director of Medical Oncology at the Bahamas Cancer Centre, a partner in and dean of the University of Buckingham's medical school.

"Comparisons are dangerous. Spain's figures dont include care homes.

Italy's barely include them.

Frances sporadically include them.

It may make striking headlines,but every country records differently.

Comparisons on figures are pointless for now"

I tend to agree with a professor in molecular microbiology at Cambridge university, the head of Health and Life Events at the ONS, and a leading medical expert and former W.H.O. member.

You've used his quote before in response to me and I told you at the time I agree that comparing countries is pointless.

I'm not really bothered how our figures stack up against France, Italy or anywhere else in the world.

The cold and hard fact is 33, 998 deaths.

You appear to be using any excuse you can to discuss that number. I do wonder why, as you've usually plenty to say for yourself.

[RingoMcCartney]

You've used his quote before in response to me and I told you at the time I agree that comparing countries is pointless.

I'm not really bothered how our figures stack up against France, Italy or anywhere else in the world.

The cold and hard fact is 33, 998 deaths.

You appear to be using any excuse you can to discuss that number. I do wonder why, as you've usually plenty to say for yourself.

Read and learn


Nick Strike , head of Health and Life Events at the Office of National Statistics- Speaking on LBC around 9 am last Thursday morning.

"The UK is widely accepted as being the fastest to certify and codify deaths. So I'm not surprised that our numbers are higher at this stage in the pandemic."

"There are large differences in the "method data" ,"reporting structures" between individual countries. Also the fact that we are counting "WITH COVID as opposed to "OF COVID" is also a key determining factor that could explain the greater levels of mortality so far"

Using raw mortality figures at this stage is somewhat premature when trying to ascertain how well individual countries have performed. Population density, age and the ethnic make up of individual populations will be, I think, be important factors to consider"

"The ONS would typically take around ONE YEAR when analysing standardised mortality rates before publishing its findings. Given its still ongoing, its probably going to be some time before we are at that stage"


Get yourself out and enjoy the sunshine.

S'just what I'm about to do.

[TheFamilyCat]

Read and learn


Nick Strike , head of Health and Life Events at the Office of National Statistics- Speaking on LBC around 9 am last Thursday morning.

"The UK is widely accepted as being the fastest to certify and codify deaths. So I'm not surprised that our numbers are higher at this stage in the pandemic."

"There are large differences in the "method data" ,"reporting structures" between individual countries. Also the fact that we are counting "WITH COVID as opposed to "OF COVID" is also a key determining factor that could explain the greater levels of mortality so far"

Using raw mortality figures at this stage is somewhat premature when trying to ascertain how well individual countries have performed. Population density, age and the ethnic make up of individual populations will be, I think, be important factors to consider"

"The ONS would typically take around ONE YEAR when analysing standardised mortality rates before publishing its findings. Given its still ongoing, its probably going to be some time before we are at that stage"


Get yourself out and enjoy the sunshine.

S'just what I'm about to do.

Probably for the best. Seems like the fresh air will do you good.

[aggi]

You've been quite clever aggi. You've almost managed to derail our discussion by making the conversation about what I said and what I meant when I said it, rather than the subject matter.

But not clever enough.

Let me give you an example . A couple , having an arguement. And she suspects he's playing away. She says, "why are you always working late, not answering your phone, playing more golf?" He replies, " oh, so youre saying I'm having an affair am I!?"

Later, when the arguement crops up again he says, " you said I was having an affair." To which she replied, "no I didnt say that"

Strictly speaking she didn't literally say those actual words, but , this is the point I'm making. Both parties knew and understood what she was implying and he and she both fully understood the implications of what she'd said.

You said




So I, on the presumption that you actually knew what "my approach" is. Said that for the TSC to disagree with my approach they would have to using the raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis, while we're still in the middle of it.

Like the husband putting words into his wife's mouth, in order to confirm they both understood the point she was making. I was doing the same. Strictly speaking you did not say those words. By me saying it, I was confirming that you were implying it.

And rather than actually stick to the subject we were talking about. You've chosen to misconceive and wilfully misrepresent what I've said and what I meant when saying it.

Fair play for trying , but you failed.

Now, please let's go back to the actual point of your original post. The TSC disagreeing with me. I've tried to google what was said and I'm only able to get a bare bones headlines from the telegraph that, if I want to read more, I've to subscribe. Not happening. It says that with regards to testing the UK was compared to South Korea. And questions were asked as to why testing had been stopped. I cant get any more detail than that. It doesn't say who said it, why they were saying it and if they were, potentially offering suggestions or alternatives.

Now you know as well as anybody that, since this unprecedented global pandemic came along. I've said, people should not rush to make judgements before they know all the facts and relevant information. So, once again, if you could let me have more detail I can reply to your claim that they "disagree with my approach " and



Please let me make in informed reply. You never know, we may actually agree!

Jeez, after your last embarrassing post I thought I'd be kind and just let that discussion die.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, they are literally the words you wrote. If you're going to make stuff up and contradict yourself I can't just guess what you mean.

You've chosen to misconceive and wilfully misrepresent what I've said and what I meant when saying it.

All I did was copy and paste your posts. Word for word direct quotes. Let's be honest, you were the one wilfully misrepresenting what I wrote when you said:

So, the Treasury Select Committee did not as you claim,use raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis.

I assume that's why you then pretended you said something else

I didnt directly claim you said the Treasury Select Committee used raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis.

The detail has been posted. I can't help you if you refuse to look at it.

[keith1879]

It's what they said in the briefing yesterday, and in today's press...

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk- ... -increase/

Agreed....that's what I heard/saw.

[keith1879]

I think there may be a new predictable right wing argument to add to "you're just virtue-signalling" and "it would have been worse under Corbyn". I give you "It's too early to make international comparisons". Mind you I think it's too early to be sure.

[FactualFrank]

I ignored the so-called "experts" and didn’t wear a mask out today. Worst scuba diving lesson, ever.

[AndrewJB]

Priti Patel has refused to consider cutting or reducing the surcharges foreign healthcare workers pay in addition to their taxes. This is after only three weeks since she made the grand announcement on television that they'd be reviewed. This is how the government works - tell everyone that they're going to do something good, and then not do it. Mendacious.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 17356.html

[FactualFrank]

Interested to know what people on here think of this:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/wat ... -majority/

[Devils_Advocate]

Interested to know what people on here think of this:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/wat ... -majority/

Just looked at their Twitter feed and they come across as a bunch of fake news covid conspiracy theorists from the David Icke school of thinking who see it is all some sort of Bill Gates / 5g plot to takeover the world

Based on that I will be completely ignoring anything this set of screwballs have to say on this or any other subject

[keith1879]

Interested to know what people on here think of this:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/wat ... -majority/

I would say the following.

1. I understand that from all the apparently authoritative information I have seen I am (overall) at little personal risk of dying from catching this virus.
2. If however I do catch this virus then there is plenty of evidence to suggest that I have a much higher risk of dying than if I catch other similar viruses.
3. I am closely related (or know personally) many people who are seriously at risk if they catch it.
4. I am connected at one remove to three people who have died from it.

My conclusion.....there is much to be gained for society as a whole from temporarily surrendering our liberties.

[keith1879]

Just looked at their Twitter feed and they come across as a bunch of fake news covid conspiracy theorists from the David Icke school of thinking who see it is all some sort of Bill Gates / 5g plot to takeover the world

Based on that I will be completely ignoring anything this set of screwballs have to say on this or any other subject

That's the impression that comes from the article as well.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Priti Patel has refused to consider cutting or reducing the surcharges foreign healthcare workers pay in addition to their taxes. This is after only three weeks since she made the grand announcement on television that they'd be reviewed. This is how the government works - tell everyone that they're going to do something good, and then not do it. Mendacious.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 17356.html

Just to check, a review of something doesn't necessarily means it will change something does it?

Or have I misunderstood what it means by reviewing something...

[FactualFrank]

That's the impression that comes from the article as well.

Someone posted the article on their Facebook page, and they're certainly of the mindset of, "Think like us, or you're wrong".

If, if the people who were very unlikely to die from this, also could not pass it on (carrier), they may have a point. But that's not the case. The people who will be fine if they get it, can still pass it on to people who won't be fine. That seems to be something that's totally escaped them.

[RingoMcCartney]

Jeez, after your last embarrassing post I thought I'd be kind and just let that discussion die.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, they are literally the words you wrote. If you're going to make stuff up and contradict yourself I can't just guess what you mean.

You've chosen to misconceive and wilfully misrepresent what I've said and what I meant when saying it.

All I did was copy and paste your posts. Word for word direct quotes. Let's be honest, you were the one wilfully misrepresenting what I wrote when you said:

So, the Treasury Select Committee did not as you claim,use raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis.

I assume that's why you then pretended you said something else

I didnt directly claim you said the Treasury Select Committee used raw mortality rates to draw conclusions and judgements on the UK government's handling of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic crisis.

The detail has been posted. I can't help you if you refuse to look at it.

Now who's lying aggi? I didnt say " you were putting words into my mouth" as you're claiming. I said I was the one putting words into your mouth.

Like the husband putting words into his wife's mouth, in order to confirm they both understood the point she was making. I was doing the same. Strictly speaking you did not say those words. By me saying it, I was confirming that you were implying it.

.

Of course you know this and , the butter wouldn't melt , "All I did was copy and paste your posts. Word for word direct quotes." With you choosing to misconceive and wilfully misrepresent them, isn't working one little bit.You knew full well what I meant.

However, looking back when you said-

I note the Treasury Select Committee doesn't really agree with your approach.

I made the BIG , big mistake of presuming that you actually knew what you were talking about!

My bad, hold my hand up!

[chadders]

Hey Ringo, Sorry to hear about your pal's older brother. Wishing him all the best.

[AndrewJB]

Just to check, a review of something doesn't necessarily means it will change something does it?

Or have I misunderstood what it means by reviewing something...

She promised a review in front of the cameras. The Home Office says no review took place.

[tiger76]

UK government hits high numbers on testing

Education Secretary Gavin Williamson said there were 136,486 tests for coronavirus in the 24 hours to 09:00 BST on Saturday - that's the highest daily total so far.

The government set a target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April. It announced on 1 May that it had exceeded the target by some way but there was controversy as the total included 40,000 "delivery" tests sent out but not yet returned or processed.

It has failed to hit its target 10 times in May, but the past three days have seen figures well over 100,000.

And the figure for people tested - as opposed to the number of tests done - has risen to 78,537. That's the highest it has been so far.

But one category of tests has started to be done in much greater numbers. These "pillar 4" tests are done as part of survey work to research the spread of the virus, rather than of people who are worried they might have the virus.

Just over 30,000 of this category of test was reported for Friday, massively up from the 6,000 reported for 12 May.

It's good news testing's increasing,but unless there's a viable test,trace,isolate strategy to back the initial testing up,it's pretty pointless TBH.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... ot-working

[CombatClaret]

The band is back together again.

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[FactualFrank]

The band is back together again.

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STAY THE VIRUS
CONTROL LIVES
SAVE ALERT

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[keith1879]

The band is back together again.

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Truly awesome what some people will believe (or claim to believe). I suspect that most people on here across the political spectrum will struggle with those sentiments.

[The Enclosure]

300 people in London today protesting against the lockdown because it infringes their right to freedom or some such claptrap.Are these people wired up right?