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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:03 am

Right_winger wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:43 pm
A huge part of our transfer problems are Dyche.

Get yourself into Twitter and see that quite a lot of people agree with this view.

What is the best # to use for the search on this ? #completeidiopts ?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:08 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:31 pm
John Eagan and former target Omar Bogle
We should start talking to Blades as soon as their relegation is confirmed

The player from Sheff Utd we should be considering is Jack O'Connell, don't think he will be fit until next season and will have 12 months left on his contract (I think) once is.

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Post by Stayingup » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:54 am

The transfer wodow per se has been very quiet this time for most EPL clubs. Someone at the club obvioulsy believes we have enough to stay up. Much will depend on this andIf we dont then its going to be a real disaster. Why they just didn't ay the money for Collins I dont know. Then there is the Gibson situation. That certainly has to be resolved. CT says its irrevocable. If it is,its a shame as he could replace Tarks.

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Post by 775claret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:31 am

Chris Wood returning from injury will feel like a new signing.

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:44 am

fidelcastro wrote:
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Jeez, pass me the razor blades! :lol:

FWIW, I fully expect Tarkowski to leave in the summer, but assuming he does, do you really expect us to not bother getting in a replacement? Seriously?

If I'm reading your irrational rantings correctly, then you seem to be saying that you're expecting no new signings. If that's the case, then I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised!

Or will you? You seem to be one of those posters who revels in being negative, despite our continued PL status.
If had read all my previous postings you would have known that I expect Tarks to be replaced. I just would have thought it sensible and logical to have got the replacement in the last window. As now we have a much more limited choice, Stoke will try and stitch us up over Collins or Arsenal may come in and blow us out of the water. Worrall would then be another possible target and because we may be desperate for him they will also stitch us up.

I'm not saying w2e won't have any new signings but if you can get your head around the fact that we have extended the contracts of aging players who most people think should be replaced makes it obvious we are not thinking of replacing them. We have so many positions that need seriously improving but will have limited funds and won't be able to fill many of them because the money from Tarks will be insufficient to do very much. We have to pay Brentford their wedge for selling on and I don't think we will get as much for Tarks in the sumer as he has less contract time left.

I certainly do not revel in negativity I just say it as it is. It's called forward planning, strategic thinking and realism. You ought to try it sometimes.

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:52 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:44 am
If had read all my previous postings you would have known that I expect Tarks to be replaced. I just would have thought it sensible and logical to have got the replacement in the last window. As now we have a much more limited choice, Stoke will try and stitch us up over Collins or Arsenal may come in and blow us out of the water. Worrall would then be another possible target and because we may be desperate for him they will also stitch us up.

I'm not saying w2e won't have any new signings but if you can get your head around the fact that we have extended the contracts of aging players who most people think should be replaced makes it obvious we are not thinking of replacing them. We have so many positions that need seriously improving but will have limited funds and won't be able to fill many of them because the money from Tarks will be insufficient to do very much. We have to pay Brentford their wedge for selling on and I don't think we will get as much for Tarks in the sumer as he has less contract time left.

I certainly do not revel in negativity I just say it as it is. It's called forward planning, strategic thinking and realism. You ought to try it sometimes.
Does that mean that Dyche lacks forward planning, strategic thinking and realism too, then?

If so, I'm amazed we've stuck with him for this long!

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:14 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:52 pm
Does that mean that Dyche lacks forward planning, strategic thinking and realism too, then?

If so, I'm amazed we've stuck with him for this long!
I see what you did there. A not very subtle attempt to divert your lack of reasoned points or evidence to support your previous posts to my points here by now bringing SD's CV into your musings. That is a completely different issue and you know it. I have not suggested that any of my points about the poor transfer window has to do with a lack of strategic thinking, forward planning or realism by SD.

I'm suggesting your feeble attempts at countering my points shows that it is you that have a lack of those attributes. Although you may be right in suggesting that the club itself i.e The Board and the recruitment teams may also be lacking in those attributes.

SD very clearly laid out his views well in advance about stretching the market, needing a bigger squad, recruiting better quality players and not having let Hendrick, Lennon and others leave by not extending or offering better contracts at the time they needed to be. Those views were very clearly evidence of strategic thinking, forward planning and realism.

You really do need to try and understand such grown up things.
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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:24 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:14 pm
I see what you did there. A not very subtle attempt to divert your lack of reasoned points or evidence to support your previous posts to my points here by now bringing SD's CV into your musings. That is a completely different issue and you know it. I have not suggested that any of my points about the poor transfer window has to do with a lack of strategic thinking, forward planning or realism by SD.

I'm suggesting your feeble attempts at countering my points shows that it is you that have a lack of those attributes. Although you may be right in suggesting that the club itself i.e The Board and the recruitment teams may also be lacking in those attributes.

SD very clearly laid out his views well in advance about stretching the market, needing a bigger squad, recruiting better quality players and not having let Hendrick, Lennon and others leave by not extending or offering better contracts at the time they needed to be. Those views were very clearly evidence of strategic thinking, forward planning and realism.

You really do need to try and understand such grown up things.
What a patronising prat you are! :lol:

Righto, so you don't blame Dyche for the lack of incoming players, but you do for extending the contracts of the existing players because they're too old? That appears to be what you're saying.

If you're blaming the new chairman for the fact we didn't make a signing this window, then all I can say is give him time, he's only just got here. That simple really.

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:42 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:24 pm
What a patronising prat you are! :lol:

Righto, so you don't blame Dyche for the lack of incoming players, but you do for extending the contracts of the existing players because they're too old? That appears to be what you're saying.

If you're blaming the new chairman for the fact we didn't make a signing this window, then all I can say is give him time, he's only just got here. That simple really.
There you go yet again by falling into the same old tosh. I didn't say I didn't blame SD for the lack of incomings because maybe he is too insistent on them fitting into the framework, whatever that is. What I also said was and you do need to read through all my posts here to get the right context is that by extending the contracts of players in the January window was in my opinion a bit of desperation just to keep squad numbers up because he thinks it unlikely these players were going to be replaced in the summer so he had little choice.

Think about who he has extended the contracts for in the January window. Long, JBG, Pieters and Bardsley. All either no longer good enough or right at the end of their careers in the PL. Only JBG in my opinion would have been a player that in other circumstances we might have kept on. If there was any intention by the club to be able to replace the other 3 in the summer they would have been released and you know it.

With Tarks going and Vydra saying he wanted to leave, an option on Stephens as well, just how many players would we have needed to replace if the other 4 kept on plus these 3 others plus a question mark over whether Brady who keeps breaking down too often should be kept. That's a possible 8 players ao and don't forget SD thought we were a couple short, that makes 10 players.

Do you think that the club would replace 10 players in the summer, no of course not ! You still need to think these things through.

Oh and by the way I'll let the patronising prat coment pass. Try looking in the mirror instead.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:53 pm

This thread probably needs binning already - not because we won’t sign anyone in the summer - but because it’s full of b0llocks

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:53 pm

Can we please delete bickering nonsense and actually suggest sensible ideas
Mine was one of the few posts to consider suitable players for our needs

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:54 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:42 pm
There you go yet again by falling into the same old tosh. I didn't say I didn't blame SD for the lack of incomings because maybe he is too insistent on them fitting into the framework, whatever that is. What I also said was and you do need to read through all my posts here to get the right context is that by extending the contracts of players in the January window was in my opinion a bit of desperation just to keep squad numbers up because he thinks it unlikely these players were going to be replaced in the summer so he had little choice.

Think about who he has extended the contracts for in the January window. Long, JBG, Pieters and Bardsley. All either no longer good enough or right at the end of their careers in the PL. Only JBG in my opinion would have been a player that in other circumstances we might have kept on. If there was any intention by the club to be able to replace the other 3 in the summer they would have been released and you know it.

With Tarks going and Vydra saying he wanted to leave, an option on Stephens as well, just how many players would we have needed to replace if the other 4 kept on plus these 3 others plus a question mark over whether Brady who keeps breaking down too often should be kept. That's a possible 8 players ao and don't forget SD thought we were a couple short, that makes 10 players.

Do you think that the club would replace 10 players in the summer, no of course not ! You still need to think these things through.

Oh and by the way I'll let the patronising prat coment pass. Try looking in the mirror instead.
Crikey, you sure know how to labour a boring point, don't you? :roll:

Has he really extended Bardsley's contract this window?
That's news to me! :?

Anyway, I'm sure Dyche would be the first to admit that most, if not all the players you mention are squad players rather than automatic first choices. We still need those type of player. I don't think you'll get an argument from anyone that we'll need several incomings this summer, but try having some patience. Barring a spectacular run of bad results we will still be in the PL next season and I am confident (at least more than you are) that we will strengthen. UTC!
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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:55 pm

FAO fidelcastro

I'm bored with all this now. I do apologise I really have indulged myself with having too much fun at your expense. It was getting to the stage where I was likely to get a bigger score than ManU against The Saints so I will stop now. The team is what it is now and we just have to get on with it until the summer. I just hope we are still in the PL as most on here do. Best wishes.

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:57 pm

Yep I thought Bardsley was being kept on next season because we failed to land Kenny.

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:58 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:55 pm
FAO fidelcastro

I'm bored with all this now. I do apologise I really have indulged myself with having too much fun at your expense. It was getting to the stage where I was likely to get a bigger score than ManU against The Saints so I will stop now. The team is what it is now and we just have to get on with it until the summer. I just hope we are still in the PL as most on here do. Best wishes.
You think that having one massive whinge about nothing means you've won the argument do you?

Grow up FFS!

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:04 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:58 pm
You think that having one massive whinge about nothing means you've won the argument do you?

Grow up FFS!
Well youv'e just proved it. Byeeee !!

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:07 pm

^^^^

This from a poster past retirement age who was around in the 60's!!!!

Just think about that everyone!

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:17 pm

From Nixon:

Burnley to make shock transfer move for Benfica’s Carlos Joaquim dos Santos with American to be cover for Nick Pope.

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Post by fidelcastro » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:26 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:17 pm
From Nixon:

Burnley to make shock transfer move for Benfica’s Carlos Joaquim dos Santos with American to be cover for Nick Pope.
Makes sense. We're short of keepers... oh, hang on.

:?

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:11 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:26 pm
Makes sense. We're short of keepers... oh, hang on.

:?
Potentially does since he’s just made the US national team and presumably we’ll be looking to build our profile there?

Looks decent here & good with his feet too:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 7850103808

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 1048264710

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:22 pm

Scottish papers linking Brady with Celtic.

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Post by fidelcastro » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:25 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:11 pm
Potentially does since he’s just made the US national team and presumably we’ll be looking to build our profile there?

Looks decent here & good with his feet too:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 7850103808

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 1048264710
Whatever. I think there'll be bigger priorities than another keeper this summer.

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Post by DomBFC1882 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:43 pm

BPF is more than good enough for a number 2 providing he doesn't want out which i suppose would explain the link

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Post by beddie » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:54 pm

Isn't it more to do with in case someone comes in for Pope. If it's not then why is that position even being considered by the club when we are desperate in other outfield areas.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:12 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:11 pm
Potentially does since he’s just made the US national team and presumably we’ll be looking to build our profile there?

Looks decent here & good with his feet too:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 7850103808

https://mobile.twitter.com/CjDossantos1 ... 1048264710
Not sure having 4 keepers on the books is the best use of our budget. Only way it makes any sense is if someone moves on.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:24 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:43 pm
BPF is more than good enough for a number 2 providing he doesn't want out which i suppose would explain the link
Is he a future number one though? Can’t see Pope remaining here forever. And, if he were, is Norris and adequate number 2?

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:12 pm
Not sure having 4 keepers on the books is the best use of our budget. Only way it makes any sense is if someone moves on.
Think that’s the worry!

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Post by nyclaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:34 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:24 pm
Is he a future number one though? Can’t see Pope remaining here forever. And, if he were, is Norris and adequate number 2?
the thing is, why wouldn't pope stay here forever? none of the big clubs seem interested in him.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:37 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:27 pm
Think that’s the worry!
I just can't see any of the bigger clubs stumping up big money for him tbh. Spurs maybe? Loris is knocking on a bit now. If he wants to move on he may have to run his contract down like Tarky is.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:37 pm
I just can't see any of the bigger clubs stumping up big money for him tbh. Spurs maybe? Loris is knocking on a bit now. If he wants to move on he may have to run his contract down like Tarky is.
Contracted until 2023 with an option to 2024, so would have to wait a while for that.

I could see Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea & Everton being contenders. Hopefully Covid will mean they don’t have the money!

Either way, I can see ALK wanting some US players to be involved, given that’s where presumably they’re aiming to develop their commercial activities.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:29 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:34 pm
the thing is, why wouldn't pope stay here forever? none of the big clubs seem interested in him.
Not currently, although I thought Chelsea were rumoured to be keen last season, but that could change quickly with a few of the big teams lacking between the posts at the moment.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:30 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:25 pm
Whatever. I think there'll be bigger priorities than another keeper this summer.
I certainly hope there is!

This lad is only 20 though, could easily be for the U23’s.

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