Bournemouth - hats off and thank you

[IanMcL]

Hats off to them, for wanting to win and achieving it.

A thank you is due for the spirit they showed, before the match, over the Erik Pieters suspension.

Some may have 'taken a dive and shouted penalty, had the result gone against them. Bournemouth did the honourable thing and pointed out in time for us to make the change.

Good luck to them, going forward. Hope they get promoted, so we can claim 6 points again.

[Hibsclaret]

Spot on.

Pretty embarrassing having to have stuff like that pointed out by the opposition...if they can point it out, why can’t we get it right. Premier league football clubs should not make mistakes like that.

[beddie]

Sorry I've missed the Pieters incident, could someone explain what it's about please.

[Steve1956]

It wouldn't have been any different if he had played....we still would have been shite and lied down and died

[wilks_bfc]

Sorry I've missed the Pieters incident, could someone explain what it's about please.

Was named in the starting 11 but was suspended after being booked in the previous 2 rounds

[beddie]

Thank you wilks_bfc.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They have a great squad. Il probably get laughed at for saying this but would Dyche prefer there squad in the premier league than ours? Was genuinely surprised at the quality they had on the ball.

Billings and Pearson just looked levels above anything we had.

[Hibsclaret]

Also, why on earth have we prepared for the match with Pieters in the team. That’s probably about a couple of training sessions working on the team and shape for the Bournemouth game with an ineligible player in the system. The player himself should have known about it as much as anything else but as with most players that basically turn up and get told what to do, the club should definitely have used the info to ensure that we trained for a couple of days without him. Admin error is not good enough.

Sounds like Bournemouth prepared for the opposition, knowing he wouldn’t be playing. Absolute joke that we can’t get it right. It brings into question how much data analysis we got for our opposition given we can’t field an eligible team ourselves.

[Blyclaret]

If Dyche had the bournemouth squad in premier league hed have them playing long ball shite we play.

[tim_noone]

If Dyche had the bournemouth squad in premier league hed have them playing long ball shite we play.

And no place for Stanislas...

[DCWat]

The commentator said at the beginning of the game that Pieters being suspended was pointed out by one of the BT Sport analysts.

Was it actually Bournemouth them at highlighted it? Fair play to them if this is the case.

[superdimitri]

They have a great squad. Il probably get laughed at for saying this but would Dyche prefer there squad in the premier league than ours? Was genuinely surprised at the quality they had on the ball.

Billings and Pearson just looked levels above anything we had.

Its Billing. Of course they have a good squad, they were just relegated and shouldn't have been.

Losing to them isn't so bad considering the team we put out, the problem was the team selection not giving them enough respect. We got what we deserved.

[StTedsOB]

They went down because of their defence - not one of their defenders or their keeper would get in our team. Begovic looked poor yesterday and he wouldn’t get on our bench and is nowhere near Pope.
As for the rest of their team - yes Billing had a good game but he was there all last season and for large parts of the season was nowhere near as effective as night. I think he would bd good enough for our squad though.
Brooks is the only player in my view who is definitely good enough to get in our first eleven. He’s similar to Dwight in terms of the consistency and level of quality he has shown in last 2 or 3 seasons.

The problem with last night was very clearly that half of our team are not good enough to beat a team that only recently got relegated and sit near the top of the championship. Other than our keeper would any of last nights defence or Benson and Stephens get in many championship sides ? Long possibly...

Add to that the likes of Jay going through a really poor spell and Bournemouth playing the likes of Pearson and Surridge who are playing with a lot of confidence and on an upward trajectory in their careers then you have a recipe for getting beaten.

For that team we put out last night to beat the team Bournemouth put out we would have needed a couple of players like Dwight and Vydra or Jay to have incredible games....and they didn’t.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Well I didn’t know that the yellow cards were Cup only. The club should have.
A rule change that has been needed for a long time.

[Gordaleman]

Hats off to them, for wanting to win and achieving it.

A thank you is due for the spirit they showed, before the match, over the Erik Pieters suspension.

Some may have 'taken a dive and shouted penalty, had the result gone against them. Bournemouth did the honourable thing and pointed out in time for us to make the change.

Good luck to them, going forward. Hope they get promoted, so we can claim 6 points again.

Not sure it was Bournemouth that pointed the 'Pieters' problem out, as both someone on here and Lineker on the BBC later, said it was a TV reporter that did so.

Well played to Bournemouth though. They certainly wanted it more than us.

[Dyched]

If Dyche had the bournemouth squad in premier league hed have them playing long ball shite we play.

Haha that’s so funny cos even with C Wilson, H Wilson, N Ake, J Ibe, R Fraser etc etc they played pretty football didn’t they?

So please explain to me what league they’re in and what league we are in please.

[IanMcL]

Not sure it was Bournemouth that pointed the 'Pieters' problem out, as both someone on here and Lineker on the BBC later, said it was a TV reporter that did so.

Well played to Bournemouth though. They certainly wanted it more than us.

I understand it was a Bournemouth journalist, of some description, who raised the alarm. Bournemouth already aware and Surridge and Stanislas spoke to our players.

The key was that Bournemouth accepted the change, at the last, past any deadlines for team notification.

No fuss.

[MACCA]

SD is livid, he purposely selected Peiters hoping that if we did miraculously win, we would be booted out of the competition and/or be banned from next seasons too.

He is always a man with a plan.

[dsr]

I understand it was a Bournemouth journalist, of some description, who raised the alarm. Bournemouth already aware and Surridge and Stanislas spoke to our players.

The key was that Bournemouth accepted the change, at the last, past any deadlines for team notification.

No fuss.

I don't think they have any right not to. If you change your team at the last minute the referee has to report it to the FA or league who may choose to take action, but I don't think either referee or opposition can reject the change.

It happens often enough with injury in the warm-up, and occasionally it happens with an admin error like forgetting someone's name. And didn't one former Burnley manager allegedly once declare 12 names on the teamsheet? It would have been interesting if that hadn't been allowed to be changed!

[clansman]

We could have played with 25 players last night and still lost!!

[ksrclaret]

Hats off to them indeed. The came with some nice football, defended well (as well as they ever needed to), and went away with a couple of goals and a ticket into the next round.

Basically, everything we didn’t do. Our football was shameful.

[2 Bee Holed]

In most workplaces such an incompetent and unprofessional decision
would result in head(s) rolling.
I'll be surprised if the F.A. don't take further action.

I am more embarrassed about this, than the performance.

Thank you to Bournemouth or the journalist who were aware
of the rules of the competition we were involved in.

Disgraceful B.F.C.

[Quickenthetempo]

Here are the 2 managers explaining the situation.
https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/13 ... 76672?s=19

[claretonthecoast1882]

Never happened under the previous owner.


It is almost a pity just for the reaction alone that he didn't play and we won, then got kicked out.

[Colburn_Claret]

Also, why on earth have we prepared for the match with Pieters in the team. That’s probably about a couple of training sessions working on the team and shape for the Bournemouth game with an ineligible player in the system. The player himself should have known about it as much as anything else but as with most players that basically turn up and get told what to do, the club should definitely have used the info to ensure that we trained for a couple of days without him. Admin error is not good enough.

Sounds like Bournemouth prepared for the opposition, knowing he wouldn’t be playing. Absolute joke that we can’t get it right. It brings into question how much data analysis we got for our opposition given we can’t field an eligible team ourselves.

After watching that match, do you really think we worked on anything on the training ground. They played like a bunch of strangers. For once the sum of the parts was even worse than the individuals.

[Hibsclaret]

After watching that match, do you really think we worked on anything on the training ground. They played like a bunch of strangers. For once the sum of the parts was even worse than the individuals.

What’s your point? Are you suggesting we don’t prepare for games? You should go and speak to Sean about that...

The point I was making is that it is not good enough to not know who and who isn’t available for a game, irrespective of whether rules have changed given that would have been communicated to the club when the rules changed. When it’s your well paid profession it is your job to know and not come out with the admin error bs

[Colburn_Claret]

What’s your point? Are you suggesting we don’t prepare for games? You should go and speak to Sean about that...

The point I was making is that it is not good enough to not know who and who isn’t available for a game, irrespective of whether rules have changed given that would have been communicated to the club when the rules changed. When it’s your well paid profession it is your job to know and not come out with the admin error bs

My point, seeing as you asked, is that we didn't prepared for that match, with or without Pieters, we just turned up. Nobody prepares to fail like that.

[Hibsclaret]

So we didn’t prepare for the match then is what you’re saying seeing as you asked me do I think we worked on anything on the training ground. As it happens I think we always work on the next game because we have had the next game mantra as long as Dyche has been here. He bangs on about it often enough.

It’s nonsense to say we didn’t prepare for the match but it is also nonsense to acknowledge nearly fielding an ineligible player as an admin error.

[MACCA]

Mr Dyche had a plan, play Peiters, and even if we win we will be thrown out of the cup at the quarter final stage and not need to play again.
We might even possibly not be allowed to enter next season.
Mr Dyche is livid that some pesky Bournemouth press officer scuppered the plan.

[Hibsclaret]

Mr Dyche had a plan, play Peiters, and even if we win we will be thrown out of the cup at the quarter final stage and not need to play again.
We might even possibly not be allowed to enter next season.
Mr Dyche is livid that some pesky Bournemouth press officer scuppered the plan.

You may well be right.

Last night also highlights one of the reasons that Dyche gets overlooked for the top jobs IMO. The guy that has gone in at Chelsea was at pains to say he knows he has to try to win every game no matter what competition. That is what expected at clubs like that and Dyche has no experience of it. The Europa run ruined our league form and any directors of big six clubs will look beyond league form when recruiting managers.

I appreciate the lack of squad depth is an issue but there is no excuse for the team selection last night.

[MACCA]

You may well be right.

Last night also highlights one of the reasons that Dyche gets overlooked for the top jobs IMO.

He gets over looked as he may aswell be called Sean Allerdyche, if your aim is 17th and you dont care about how you do it Allerdyche is your man.

If you want mid table, decent footy to watch, and at least trying to win a cup a long the way, then he couldn't be further from what you need.

Horses for courses

[Spijed]

You may well be right.

Last night also highlights one of the reasons that Dyche gets overlooked for the top jobs IMO. The guy that has gone in at Chelsea was at pains to say he knows he has to try to win every game no matter what competition.

The clubs you talk about have unlimited budgets.

Take Nathan Ake at Man City. £40 million on a reserve team player!

[Quickenthetempo]

The clubs you talk about have unlimited budgets.

Take Nathan Ake at Man City. £40 million on a reserve team player!

How do Accy Stanley manage it on the other end of the scale? Play good attacking football on crowds of 2k and wage bill of £1m (3rd tier) when the likes of Hull, Ipswich Pompey and Sunderland have 20x their budget?

[Hibsclaret]

The clubs you talk about have unlimited budgets.

Take Nathan Ake at Man City. £40 million on a reserve team player!

The budgets are irrelevant to whether you play your best available team to win any game within reason. Dyche knows enough about the division to see an eight point gap in February as comfortable.

It doesn’t do the fringe players any good to keep struggling on the odd chance they get to play because they have insufficient quality around them. In fact you probably get more idea as to whether they are good enough if they are playing with better players. The mix was wrong last night no doubt about it and poor performances in cups happen every season because of our defensive (maintain league status at all cost) attitude. 5 seasons in the top flight should mean the handbrake is taken off when opportunities arise.

[MACCA]

How do Accy Stanley manage it on the other end of the scale? Play good attacking football on crowds of 2k and wage bill of £1m (3rd tier) when the likes of Hull, Ipswich Pompey and Sunderland have 20x their budget?

Managers have different styles and approaches

For every Coleman and Howe, there's a Dyche and Pulis.

You dont need to be Messi to pass a ball 20 yards to the foot of a team mate, and move into some space to receive it back.

I've seen lads do it with ease on a 7 aside pitch, it's all relative.

[dsr]

The point I was making is that it is not good enough to not know who and who isn’t available for a game, irrespective of whether rules have changed given that would have been communicated to the club when the rules changed. When it’s your well paid profession it is your job to know and not come out with the admin error bs

I'm sure the person responsible has had a conversation with Sean Dyche about it. It certainly isn't Sean Dyche's responsibility to keep up with the current suspension list - he has staff to do that. You might as well criticise him if the groundsman forgets to turn the floodlights on.

[bodge]

Would have thought this admin blunder would come under Matt Williams' remit.

[IanMcL]

I'm sure the person responsible has had a conversation with Sean Dyche about it. It certainly isn't Sean Dyche's responsibility to keep up with the current suspension list - he has staff to do that. You might as well criticise him if the groundsman forgets to turn the floodlights on.

What??? Mr Dyche could fail to sort the floodlights????
Must need a rethink, if that detail isn't in his plan.

Or perhaps he wants to play in the dark and someone keeps switching them on!

[aggi]

They have a great squad. Il probably get laughed at for saying this but would Dyche prefer there squad in the premier league than ours? Was genuinely surprised at the quality they had on the ball.

Billings and Pearson just looked levels above anything we had.

Their midfield 3 cost something like £50m, it's a decent team.

[warksclaret]

We did pay them back for their gentlemanly approach. We gave them their easiest game of the season. We are lucky it was not 4-0, had it been that it would not have been undeserved

[Billyblah]

Also, why on earth have we prepared for the match with Pieters in the team. That’s probably about a couple of training sessions working on the team and shape for the Bournemouth game with an ineligible player in the system. The player himself should have known about it as much as anything else but as with most players that basically turn up and get told what to do, the club should definitely have used the info to ensure that we trained for a couple of days without him. Admin error is not good enough.

Sounds like Bournemouth prepared for the opposition, knowing he wouldn’t be playing. Absolute joke that we can’t get it right. It brings into question how much data analysis we got for our opposition given we can’t field an eligible team ourselves.

Some good points there Hibs.
Glennon was brought in at the last moment and like many others didn't really perform very well but given the situation he found himself in, he was hardly prepared.
And yes, Pieters should have known how many bookings he had picked up.
Quite embarrassing for the club.

[Hibsclaret]

I'm sure the person responsible has had a conversation with Sean Dyche about it. It certainly isn't Sean Dyche's responsibility to keep up with the current suspension list - he has staff to do that. You might as well criticise him if the groundsman forgets to turn the floodlights on.

Nonsense. Everything to do with who plays, who can play, when they can play and when they should play is the ultimate responsibility of Dyche. You can mention nonsense like floodlights if you like that he clearly has no responsibility for but everything to do with the team is his responsibility. Admin error is not good enough and is an embarrassing excuse in itself...that’s my biggest issue with it tbh. If you make a mistake own it and don’t just trot out the admin error line. It doesn’t wash.

I’d be happier if he admitted we were ill prepared and deserved all we got tbh. I don’t like the bs excuses.

[StTedsOB]

How do Accy Stanley manage it on the other end of the scale? Play good attacking football on crowds of 2k and wage bill of £1m (3rd tier) when the likes of Hull, Ipswich Pompey and Sunderland have 20x their budget?

Accy Stanley and all of Coleman’s teams are attacking but as you would expect with that pitch they don’t waste much time passing it round !
The reason Accy can compete with most of the teams in the bottom 2 divisions is the salary cap....only those teams who have recently been relegated are afforded a transition period. That cap is £2.5m and 1.5m total salary for div 1 and 2 respectively.
This weeks ruling on the salary caps could make things a whole lot worse for the likes of Accy.

[Quickenthetempo]

Accy Stanley and all of Coleman’s teams are attacking but as you would expect with that pitch they don’t waste much time passing it round !
The reason Accy can compete with most of the teams in the bottom 2 divisions is the salary cap....only those teams who have recently been relegated are afforded a transition period. That cap is £2.5m and 1.5m total salary for div 1 and 2 respectively.
This weeks ruling on the salary caps could make things a whole lot worse for the likes of Accy.

I don't think the salary cap has ever come in has it?
They are supposed to keep to 80% of turnover or similar but I think it's easily manipulated.

[StTedsOB]

I don't think the salary cap has ever come in has it?
They are supposed to keep to 80% of turnover or similar but I think it's easily manipulated.

Came in last August.
It’s the numbers I quoted above with an agreed transition period.

[jrgbfc]

I'm sure the person responsible has had a conversation with Sean Dyche about it. It certainly isn't Sean Dyche's responsibility to keep up with the current suspension list - he has staff to do that. You might as well criticise him if the groundsman forgets to turn the floodlights on.

With the size of the coaching/backroom staff these days its pretty poor that none of them knew the rules. Sunday league stuff.

[dsr]

Nonsense. Everything to do with who plays, who can play, when they can play and when they should play is the ultimate responsibility of Dyche. You can mention nonsense like floodlights if you like that he clearly has no responsibility for but everything to do with the team is his responsibility. Admin error is not good enough and is an embarrassing excuse in itself...that’s my biggest issue with it tbh. If you make a mistake own it and don’t just trot out the admin error line. It doesn’t wash.

I’d be happier if he admitted we were ill prepared and deserved all we got tbh. I don’t like the bs excuses.

It's actually the ultimate responsibility of the managing director, Mr. Pace, not of Sean Dyche. But even if it was Dyche who is ultimately responsible for all aspects of player registration, filling in the right forms, sending the match reports to the league, all the minutiae of player signings and sales, you wouldn't expect him to fill in all the forms himself, surely? Sean Dyche has better things to do with his time than club administration. He appoints someone else to do the form filling and the non-football side of the business.

[Hibsclaret]

It's actually the ultimate responsibility of the managing director, Mr. Pace, not of Sean Dyche. But even if it was Dyche who is ultimately responsible for all aspects of player registration, filling in the right forms, sending the match reports to the league, all the minutiae of player signings and sales, you wouldn't expect him to fill in all the forms himself, surely? Sean Dyche has better things to do with his time than club administration. He appoints someone else to do the form filling and the non-football side of the business.

What have I said that relates to player registration and form filling....exactly nothing. It is Dyche’s responsibility to know who can play and when...end of story

[dsr]

What have I said that relates to player registration and form filling....exactly nothing. It is Dyche’s responsibility to know who can play and when...end of story

When you sign a new player, lots of forms have to be filled in. It is presumably Dyche's responsibility to fill them in correctly so that he knows whether that signing is eligible?

The way Burnley FC works, along with every other club down to about level 10 of the pyramid, is that one person at the club is in charge of player registrations. They (and their department, if applicable) deal with all the paperwork, all the correspondence with the league and with the FA, all the suspensions, all the transfers, all the international registrations, everything. It's just not practical for Dyche and the managers of all the other teams involved with Burnley FC to do that individually; it's also not practical for Dyche to do it himself.

The club appoints an expert to do it for them. It's no more reasonable to blame Dyche for relying on this expert who got it wrong, than it would be to blame Dyche for following the advice of a physio who gets it wrong. Dyche cannot do everything.

[Hibsclaret]

When you sign a new player, lots of forms have to be filled in. It is presumably Dyche's responsibility to fill them in correctly so that he knows whether that signing is eligible?

The way Burnley FC works, along with every other club down to about level 10 of the pyramid, is that one person at the club is in charge of player registrations. They (and their department, if applicable) deal with all the paperwork, all the correspondence with the league and with the FA, all the suspensions, all the transfers, all the international registrations, everything. It's just not practical for Dyche and the managers of all the other teams involved with Burnley FC to do that individually; it's also not practical for Dyche to do it himself.

The club appoints an expert to do it for them. It's no more reasonable to blame Dyche for relying on this expert who got it wrong, than it would be to blame Dyche for following the advice of a physio who gets it wrong. Dyche cannot do everything.

Still not getting it huh...he is responsible for KNOWING who is and isn’t available to play...if he doesn’t how can he organise a team for a match. He is not likely to be doing any admin related to suspensions or anything but he should absolutely know at all times who is available to play..it’s his job for which he gets paid 70k per week. It is unacceptable to blame not knowing it on an admin error.

There are 2 reasons I can see for the cock up regarding Pieters, 1 is that we get very few suspensions so we lack the necessary focus in that area. Most things that are rare can be forgotten. The second is that we were really just not switched on for the game itself and paid it lip service in all the preparation because Saturday is more important. This is not the next game is the most important one mentality that has been preached in Dyche’s tenure.

I’m his biggest fan and all he needed to do was be honest. Saying it’s an admin error is not being straight with the fans. Being straight with the fans is saying we dropped the ball and really didn’t give the game the preparation and focus that it deserved.