Really tough on the fans

[kentonclaret]

The simple fact of the matter is that our current squad is lacking in strength and depth, and a series of transfer windows with little or no activity has left the club ill equipped to sustain an FA Cup run. A few knocks to key players and we are unable to field a team to perform at a high level. This was clearly demonstrated again last night, and was evident last season when the bench had to be filled with kids. The hierarchy at the club are obviously as aware as everybody else but have chosen not to remedy the situation for various reasons that have been well documented, both here and elsewhere.
It was mentioned several times during radio commentary how sparse our squad was compared to Bournemouth and the result was really inevitable with the side that we put out.

[DomBFC1882]

The only thing would have been to play mee or tarks, or both of them, personally iam glad he didn't, as I don't give a hoot about the FA Cup at the moment.
It's not guaranteed we win the big games coming up, but the strongest team, gives us the best chance

He should definitely have played at least one of them. There's absolutely no reason we couldn't have done that given, as you said, it's not imperative we win these next few games.

A quarter final cup draw would have the town buzzing and instill a much needed good feeling in the town during these sad times

[Hbclaret007]

The simple fact of the matter is that our current squad is lacking in strength and depth, and a series of transfer windows with little or no activity has left the club ill equipped to sustain an FA Cup run. A few knocks to key players and we are unable to field a team to perform at a high level. This was clearly demonstrated again last night, and was evident last season when the bench had to be filled with kids. The hierarchy at the club are obviously as aware as everybody else but have chosen not to remedy the situation for various reasons that have been well documented, both here and elsewhere.
It was mentioned several times during radio commentary how sparse our squad was compared to Bournemouth and the result was really inevitable with the side that we put out.

I agree kenton..
I was very disappointed with the poor performance, a number of the senior players were well below par and it looks like our reserves just aren't good enough. Dyche must take the responsibility and as much as I appreciate the very sound views he has, he needs to hold up his hand sometimes. He doesn't believe the FA cup is important to Burnley and in the grand scheme of things, he may be right. He took a chance with a makeshift team last night and lost. His attitude and approach must rub off on the team in that situation and it certainly looked like it last night. In his defence, if he had a fully fit squad, it may have been different.
I'm disappointed because it was the best chance we have had to progress in many years and winning brings confidence. If we get the right results in the coming matches, I'm sure we will forget and move on. If we don't, last night will be a marker of Dyche's demise.

[Grumps]

He should definitely have played at least one of them. There's absolutely no reason we couldn't have done that given, as you said, it's not imperative we win these next few games.

A quarter final cup draw would have the town buzzing and instill a much needed good feeling in the town during these sad times

Where did I say its not imperative to win next 3 games?
That's the whole point, we need to win at least 2 of them

I doubt very much the draw would have got the town buzzing..... A final they could attend might do, but that ain't this year.

[MT03ALG]

Picked the correct team for the game
We would have probably gone out in the next round to either , Of the Manchester clubs, Spurs, Leicester, Chelsea etc from which one of them will win the cup.

Yes, but in these desperate times we would at least have something to look forward to. Now all we can look forward to is the occasional victory and surviving relegation for another season in the Premier League when we will again try to avoid relegation. Ad Infinitum.....

[Conroy92]

Possibly we might have, equally we might also have drawn Sheff Utd/.Bristol City or Southampton/Wolves, and had a glorious chance of a semi-final berth, if not this year with this kindly draw, then when are we going to take the cup seriously, if this had been round 3 I could just about accept it, and sort of understand Sean's reasoning, but it's round 5 FGS, and for all those fretting about our PL status we're well clear of the bottom 3 and won't go down, in fact it's absolutely certain we won't go down now that we're out of the cup, well that's what all the experts on here tell us, if you have a cup run it equals relegation, 9th February and our season is over already, exciting being a Burnley fan isn't it.

Funny thing is Tiger, some of the ones on here saying we were right to rest players in case of injuries are already telling people to pipe down on other threads for concerns as they have deemed us "safe". Anything to clap for some folks!

I think it's been widely acknowledged on here that while we will never have a shot at winning the premier league, the cups represent our best chance of any silverware.
If we are not interested in that then I too am wondering what the point is. It's not like we are watching entertaining football every weekend.
Outside of the first 11 the team is awful. A lot of that is due to the negligence of Garlick for the past few seasons.

Don't know how Mr Pace is expecting to bring more revenue in, we are switching our own fans off, not making new ones.

[MT03ALG]

Is it possible that Mr.Pace will be looking to clear the debts made by buying the club before buying new players ?

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Disappointing night from a fans' point of view, however, the 13 Championship players who played against us still cost close to £100 million in spite of their having offloaded quite a number of players since their relegation.

[boatshed bill]

Disappointing night from a fans' point of view, however, the 13 Championship players who played against us still cost close to £100 million in spite of their having offloaded quite a number of players since their relegation.

Just because they cost big fees doesn't necessarily mean they are better players.

[DomBFC1882]

Where did I say its not imperative to win next 3 games?
That's the whole point, we need to win at least 2 of them

I doubt very much the draw would have got the town buzzing..... A final they could attend might do, but that ain't this year.

I disagree. Most fans I know would be buzzing at the prospect of being 1 game away from Wembley and memories to savour.

Unfortunately these next few games won't live long in the memory

[Grumps]

I disagree. Most fans I know would be buzzing at the prospect of being 1 game away from Wembley and memories to savour.

Unfortunately these next few games won't live long in the memory

Ok

[boatshed bill]

I disagree. Most fans I know would be buzzing at the prospect of being 1 game away from Wembley and memories to savour.

Unfortunately these next few games won't live long in the memory

This is why we watch the game, the hope of a bit of magic, something to remember.
I'm a firm believer that winning (or losing) becomes a habit, as does trying to pinch one-nil wins.

[DomBFC1882]

This is why we watch the game, the hope of a bit of magic, something to remember.
I'm a firm believer that winning (or losing) becomes a habit.

Its 100% why we watch the game, for memories and excitement.

Some on here have forgotten what football is about. Thinking purely of the finances of staying in the Premier league over wanting to get to Wembley is madness.

I've been everywhere with us when we weren't in the Premier league and it was extremely enjoyable then. I'd say more enjoyable actually.

[boatshed bill]

Its 100% why we watch the game, for memories and excitement.

Some on here have forgotten what football is about. Thinking purely of the finances of staying in the Premier league over wanting to get to Wembley is madness.

I've been everywhere with us when we weren't in the Premier league and it was extremely enjoyable then. I'd say more enjoyable actually.

Too much of our present stuff is dour.
To be honest, I think the revival under Stan and Barry Kilby was far more enjoyable, even in the 3rd tier(L1)

[DomBFC1882]

Too much of our present stuff is dour.
To be honest, I think the revival under Stan and Barry Kilby was far more enjoyable, even in the 3rd tier(L1)

Hard to disagree. A win feels as good whether its in division 2 or the Premier league.

I just hate this mentality of premier league is everything and everything else doesn't matter.

[jrgbfc]

Hard to disagree. A win feels as good whether its in division 2 or the Premier league.

I just hate this mentality of premier league is everything and everything else doesn't matter.

Money has ruined top flight footy. Speaks volumes that some people are happy for us to basically throw a last 16 cup game just to ensure we finish 17th in the league.

[Grumps]

I take it none of you moaning about the Premier league go to games, or have season tickets, I mean that would just be wrong, wouldn't it?

[fidelcastro]

I take it none of you moaning about the Premier league go to games, or have season tickets, I mean that would just be wrong, wouldn't it?

Yes, far more important that we get to a cup final none of us are allowed to attend.

[DomBFC1882]

Yes, far more important that we get to a cup final none of us are allowed to attend.

Just because fans aren't allowed to attend doesn't mean its not a great achievement nor a fantastic memory . Do Liverpool fans discount the Premier league last season just because fans weren't there to witness it? Don't be silly

[fidelcastro]

Just because fans aren't allowed to attend doesn't mean its not a great achievement nor a fantastic memory . Do Liverpool fans discount the Premier league last season just because fans weren't there to witness it? Don't be silly

Liverpool were always going to win the league though. They were miles clear before lockdown, so I don't really see your point.

I just don't get the bed wetting on here over being knocked out of a cup competition that lost its magic years ago.

[DomBFC1882]

Liverpool were always going to win the league though. They were miles clear before lockdown, so I don't really see your point.

I just don't get the bed wetting on here over being knocked out of a cup competition that lost its magic years ago.

They were clear before lockdown you're right, however how does that make it less special? Until its official you can never celebrate it so I don't see your point.

You're lack of understanding as to why fans find a cup run exciting and the potential of us getting to Wembley, albeit in a semi final, is quite sad tbh.

[Elizabeth]

Do we understand from these disagreements that some of those who defend Dyche’s right to disrespect the FA cup in favour of the hundred millions the PL brings into the club will call for Dyche’s head at the first sign we might get relegated and lose this cash cow?

[fidelcastro]

They were clear before lockdown you're right, however how does that make it less special? Until its official you can never celebrate it so I don't see your point.

You're lack of understanding as to why fans find a cup run exciting and the potential of us getting to Wembley, albeit in a semi final, is quite sad tbh.

I'm sure it was special to Liverpool, albeit somewhat watered down, due to not being allowed in the stadiums, but the FA Cup I can take or leave these days in all honesty. I'm far from alone in that view, as attendances in the early rounds in particular (in normal circumstances) would substantiate.

[Grumps]

Do we understand from these disagreements that some of those who defend Dyche’s right to disrespect the FA cup in favour of the hundred millions the PL brings into the club will call for Dyche’s head at the first sign we might get relegated and lose this cash cow?

You do realise that we have been relegated under dyche.... And what you're suggesting didn't happen

[DomBFC1882]

I'm sure it was special to Liverpool, albeit somewhat watered down, due to not being allowed in the stadiums, but the FA Cup I can take or leave these days in all honesty. I'm far from alone in that view, as attendances in the early rounds in particular (in normal circumstances) would substantiate.

I respect your opinion fidelcastro but I respectfully disagree

[Elizabeth]

And you do realise that that was a long time ago and circumstances are very different now

[fidelcastro]

I respect your opinion fidelcastro but I respectfully disagree

Fair enough.

[Devils_Advocate]

I wanna know what happens if we dont at least win 2 of the next 3 games?

[Grumps]

I'm sure it was special to Liverpool, albeit somewhat watered down, due to not being allowed in the stadiums, but the FA Cup I can take or leave these days in all honesty. I'm far from alone in that view, as attendances in the early rounds in particular (in normal circumstances) would substantiate.

I cannot think of one club in the Premier league, who at the beginning of the season would ever prioritise the FA cup over the Premier league, man utd didn't play in it one year, other clubs fielded youth teams whilst the 1st team were away playing in another cup, yet some of our fans think its the same competition it was 40 years ago.

[boatshed bill]

Liverpool were always going to win the league though. They were miles clear before lockdown, so I don't really see your point.

I just don't get the bed wetting on here over being knocked out of a cup competition that lost its magic years ago.

It's not bed-wetting.
it's about pride in performance, football to get you off your seat.

[Spijed]

I cannot think of one club in the Premier league, who at the beginning of the season would ever prioritise the FA cup over the Premier league, man utd didn't play in it one year, other clubs fielded youth teams whilst the 1st team were away playing in another cup, yet some of our fans think its the same competition it was 40 years ago.

It was never a good move to play the Semi-finals at Wembley

[Elizabeth]

You do realise that we have been relegated under dyche.... And what you're suggesting didn't happen

Expecting history to repeat itself would be folly. If you think our new owners would sit back and let that happen you are mistaken, no matter how much people think Dyche is in the driving seat.
Fans would also react differently and that includes those that backed him up last night. The number of years we have been collecting PL money now means that more are now scared of losing it as this thread proves. Many would turn on Dyche at the thought.

[DomBFC1882]

Expecting history to repeat itself would be folly. If you think our new owners would sit back and let that happen you are mistaken, no matter how much people think Dyche is in the driving seat.
Fans would also react differently and that includes those that backed him up last night. The number of years we have been collecting PL money now means that more are now scared of losing it as this thread proves. Many would turn on Dyche at the thought.

Not to mention the football isn't great to watch considering the owners want to grow the brand of burnley

[boatshed bill]

I cannot think of one club in the Premier league, who at the beginning of the season would ever prioritise the FA cup over the Premier league, man utd didn't play in it one year, other clubs fielded youth teams whilst the 1st team were away playing in another cup, yet some of our fans think its the same competition it was 40 years ago.

Of course they don't prioritise specific competitions, although Man City seem to like winning the Carabao Cup, top teams prioritise trying to win every game.
Here's one aspect of the FA Cup which seems to be lost on PL fans: it's a great opportunity for lower league clubs to earn big money (by their standards) just occasionally.
The PL is killing these clubs slowly. These one off fixtures have been the difference between profit and loss for lower league clubs.

[Grumps]

Of course they don't prioritise specific competitions, although Man City seem to like winning the Carabao Cup, top teams prioritise trying to win every game.
Here's one aspect of the FA Cup which seems to be lost on PL fans: it's a great opportunity for lower league clubs to earn big money (by their standards) just occasionally.
The PL is killing these clubs slowly. These one off fixtures have been the difference between profit and loss for lower league clubs.

Only when fans are allowed in, at the moment they're not.

[Dark Cloud]

Is it possible that Mr.Pace will be looking to clear the debts made by buying the club before buying new players ?

Crumbs I bloody hope not or we won't sign anyone until about 2035, by which time Stephens, Long, Pieters et al will definitely cause us to have the oldest squad in the PL!!!

[boatshed bill]

Only when fans are allowed in, at the moment they're not.

That is obviously true. But it's the same for the PL.
The real difference is that through the gate revenues are becoming almost irrelevant to the richest clubs.

[tiger76]

Funny thing is Tiger, some of the ones on here saying we were right to rest players in case of injuries are already telling people to pipe down on other threads for concerns as they have deemed us "safe". Anything to clap for some folks!

I think it's been widely acknowledged on here that while we will never have a shot at winning the premier league, the cups represent our best chance of any silverware.
If we are not interested in that then I too am wondering what the point is. It's not like we are watching entertaining football every weekend.
Outside of the first 11 the team is awful. A lot of that is due to the negligence of Garlick for the past few seasons.

Don't know how Mr Pace is expecting to bring more revenue in, we are switching our own fans off, not making new ones.

I never understand this logic about resting players for fear of injury, either Mee or Tarks could just as easily pick up a knock during the next 3 games, yet you can bet your bottom dollar that both will play in all of them, and if available every other PL game we have remaining, despite all the hysteria we won't go down this season, and if we'd have taken last night seriously, we would be just 90 minutes away from a Wembley semi-final, and if we don't have a squad able to compete in the PL, and also play a mere 4 extra FA Cup games should we reach the final then major questions need to be asked of all those involved.

I'm a realist and fully expect us to go down in the next 2-3 years, so it would be nice if we had a lasting memory of our longest period of sustained success since the 1960's, and a cup would be just that, once you've won it it'll always be in the history books, whereas I doubt in 50 years time a 13th placed finish in the PL will be remembered with fond memories.

[DomBFC1882]

I never understand this logic about resting players for fear of injury, either Mee or Tarks could just as easily pick up a knock during the next 3 games, yet you can bet your bottom dollar that both will play in all of them, and if available every other PL game we have remaining, despite all the hysteria we won't go down this season, and if we'd have taken last night seriously, we would be just 90 minutes away from a Wembley semi-final, and if we don't have a squad able to compete in the PL, and also play a mere 4 extra FA Cup games should we reach the final then major questions need to be asked of all those involved.

I'm a realist and fully expect us to go down in the next 2-3 years, so it would be nice if we had a lasting memory of our longest period of sustained success since the 1960's, and a cup would be just that, once you've won it it'll always be in the history books, whereas I doubt in 50 years time a 13th placed finish in the PL will be remembered with fond memories.

Fantastic post from Conroy

Also brilliant from you Tiger

Ps. I don't see how anyone can disagree with what you've both said but no doubt the usual suspects will be along shortly

[Grumps]

Fantastic post from Conroy

Also brilliant from you Tiger

Ps. I don't see how anyone can disagree with what you've both said but no doubt the usual suspects will be along shortly

Iam sure Mr Dyche is relieved to have such experts on this messageboard to tell him when to rest players.
It's not like he has a team of highly qualified sports scientists he can turn to, who know every bit of the players body, with scientific read outs on how every bit of that body is working and which players would benefit from missing a game, if only we had a team like that........................

[StTedsOB]

That is obviously true. But it's the same for the PL.
The real difference is that through the gate revenues are becoming almost irrelevant to the richest clubs.

Not so sure about that.
The top clubs have increased their capacities or moved to new much bigger stadiums.
Almost 30% of Arsenal and Spurs revenue comes from match day revenues - and that number is not far from our total revenue a year (including our TV income)
Man United sell 15,000 corporate hospitality tickets every home game - the last few Burnley games at OT I have been invited to the hospitality and it was £300 per head. If that is the average price then over a season with cup games too that is again a big number that is also not far off our total income per year....and that’s just from hospitality !!

These are big numbers for any club - for clubs like us I agree our match day revenues are not as significant dependency as other clubs in the overall revenue number but even for us with hospitality income included I imagine it’s still the second biggest revenue line after TV income and not something we can afford to do without given the margins we are now working within (and would have been pre the buyout too)

[evensteadiereddie]

Iam sure Mr Dyche is relieved to have such experts on this messageboard to tell him when to rest players.
It's not like he has a team of highly qualified sports scientists he can turn to, who know every bit of the players body, with scientific read outs on how every bit of that body is working and which players would benefit from missing a game, if only we had a team like that........................

Like it.

If we pick up points over the next few games with a side, hopefully, looking anywhere near full strength those mourning the loss of the FA Cup (some posters seem to believe us winning it was little more than a formality) this nonsense will have been forgotten.

[Boss Hogg]

I think many fans would have felt we had had a good cup run even getting the quarters or semis and losing with a fight instead of going out with that pathetic performance. After the non shows of previous years this would have been memorable. More so than remembering when we finished 16th instead of 17th and the club earned £400K more that helped with the interest payments. We will remember the pathetic performance though. I can still remember the Watford cup game and how disappointing it felt.

[jrgbfc]

Like it.

If we pick up points over the next few games with a side, hopefully, looking anywhere near full strength those mourning the loss of the FA Cup (some posters seem to believe us winning it was little more than a formality) this nonsense will have been forgotten.

Not really, we'll have still wasted the chance of getting to a cup quarter final no matter what we do in next few games.

[Dark Cloud]

Tiger 76: "and if we don't have a squad able to compete in the PL, and also play a mere 4 extra FA Cup games should we reach the final then major questions need to be asked of all those involved"
Well dead right and it was made perfectly clear on Tuesday night that we don't and yes, questions probably should be asked. (Probably starting with Kevin Long's contract extension. )

[KRBFC]

I think it's really demoralizing to see us as a Premier League team of 6 consecutive years struggle to pass the ball, you would expect established PL sides to out football Lincoln, Accy, Sunderland, Port Vale, Mk Dons, Aberdeen, Burton etc. After £700Mish income, how can we still not pass a football? There hasn't been any kind of progression in style, we're just probably more solid defensively to the side that won the Championship title. I actually think i'd swap most of that title winning side squad for this one.

[Ipreferaflan]

The issue lies with the reliance we have on certain players (Mee and Tarkowski) and not having an appropriate level of back up. Personally, the reward of starting with one of them was worth the risk. I would have completely understood Dyche's selection had he not started with Tarkowski at Fulham away. That was also a weakened team but the intensity and desire from the first whistle was excellent. On Tuesday, it was the complete opposite - the mindset of 1st team players and reserves was completely wrong.

[Grumps]

The issue lies with the reliance we have on certain players (Mee and Tarkowski) and not having an appropriate level of back up. Personally, the reward of starting with one of them was worth the risk. I would have completely understood Dyche's selection had he not started with Tarkowski at Fulham away. That was also a weakened team but the intensity and desire from the first whistle was excellent. On Tuesday, it was the complete opposite - the mindset of 1st team players and reserves was completely wrong.

Simple question... You are the manager... The fitness gurus at the club tell you that Ben Mee could do with a weeks rest.... Do you leave him out for the Bournemouth game, or the Palace game?

[boatshed bill]

Simple question... You are the manager... The fitness gurus at the club tell you that Ben Mee could do with a weeks rest.... Do you leave him out for the Bournemouth game, or the Palace game?

If I was the manager for the past 8 seasons I would have had much more squad rotation so that players would slot in better while others were rested.

[Grumps]

If I was the manager for the past 8 seasons I would have had much more squad rotation so that players would slot in better while others were rested.

You should have been a politician..... Go on have a go.. Just answer the question with one word..... Bournemouth or Palace....