Professional women!

[Inchy]

The argument about quality being linked to interest doesn't convince me - after all, most people who go to games don't do so because the team they're watching are 'the best'; certainly that's not why I support Burnley.

This quote is possibly the best argument I’ve ever heard when it comes to women’s football not attracting support and il be honest I’ve never thought of it that way.

[ŽižkovClaret]

For goodness sake! not one poster seems to be against women playing football, it's the thought of the Women's team having a detrimental effect on financing the Men's team.

How would you tell if it did?

[Jamesy]

I think Quickenthetempo’s suggestion of the ladies playing straight after the men if we have early kick offs is a good idea. However, I think this would only get decent attendances early or late season when the climate would be warmer. People aren’t going to stop on and watch the ladies in freezing conditions. I would stay and watch if it was warm enough.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I think Quickenthetempo’s suggestion of the ladies playing straight after the men if we have early kick offs is a good idea. However, I think this would only get decent attendances early or late season when the climate would be warmer. People aren’t going to stop on and watch the ladies in freezing conditions. I would stay and watch if it was warm enough.

How about we do beam backs of away games in the James Hargreaves either after or before the womens team playing on the turf?

[timshorts]

It’s know wonder the rest of the country think of Burnley as a town of Neanderthals.

I've never heard burnley and neanderthal in the same sentence.

Brexiteer homophobic racists is how the rest of the country views burnley when they are having an anti-day. On a good day it's a run down northern town which nobody would have heard of if it hadn't had a football team.

And the plan isn't new. There's a team 10 miles from me where the women and men are paid roughly the same. That said, the women are ranked 18th in the country, but the men's team are pants. That'll be a rarity though. The only other one I can think of where the women's team outstrips the counterpart so wildly is Keynsham.

If we are going to do this, could we please spend half of our available cash on a goalkeeper. Do that and the product would be watchable. If the women are in a burnley shirt representing Burnley then I guess supporting them would be natural to most of us - whether we intend to or not. This might be lockdown blues, but if they have an away game near me, I'll go and watch/cheer them on.

[Yanquiclaret]

The ignorance of women’s football here is quite astounding. The WSL currently has at least 79 women under contract who come from non UK countries, only five of them are American. There is very little question that for women worldwide the WSL is the league which is generating the most attention. An attempt to put a Burnley women’s team into that group will undoubtedly draw attention to the club that wasn’t there before. As an example, for a time this season the two best selling Man United shirts belonged to Christen Press and Tobin Heath.

Men’s football is probably at it’s peak of revenue generation. Women’s football is growing in participants and revenue. In 2019 the average attendance for the WSL was 3401, Pre COVID numbers to be fair. The average ranged from 8614 to 1285. So if you build it etc. A seat at the top table requires a women’s team these days, it seems will probably help with sponsorship etc. Lots of products aimed at women are not giving us any sponsorship money. A squad of 30 being paid an average of 40,000, a number which is likely to be far higher than we would spend, a year would cost 23,000 a week. The cost of someone who would never play for the Men’s first team. If a ticket costs a fiver and the average crowd is the lowest in the WSL the cost of the team drops to 16,800 a week. Pocket change which will have no effect on the men’s team whatsoever.

My wife assures me that the club is not exactly marketing to women at the moment as the shop selections for women are crap. Having a women’s team would most likely increase the interest among women and increase revenue in this area too.

Myself I am a fan of football. I will stop and watch anyone play, kids, women, men and enjoy it. If I only wanted to watch the very best players I would not have been a Burnley fan for over 50 years. Being a Burnley fan is about community, not frontrunning. Women are half of the potential community of Clarets, a community the club has consistently ignored and should not. While I don’t know if Burnley in the Community is self financing or not, if it isn’t, are those here suggesting we shouldn’t put money into it, shut down all community involvement because the money could be better spent on a very minor adult male player? I doubt anyone here would advocate that.

Which leaves me with only one conclusion. The men who object to this are just good old fashioned sexists who want as few women as possible involved in lad activities, particularly football. I am happy that the club, at least for now, is trying to leave that mentality behind.

[Wellsy1882]

Commenting on a forum regarding womens football and using the word "Toss" ... hmmmm Wellsy some might construe that in another way

Yawn

[CrosspoolClarets]

I’ve just seem the move and I applaud it.

I don’t like the BBC trying to brainwash us into liking women’s football by giving it major coverage on the website and BBC1 despite little demand (and not bidding for men’s football despite huge demand). But it is right that there are professional opportunities and it is great for a town like Burnley.

The problem I have with women’s football, golf and tennis on TV is that the skill level is way, way short of the men. I get the strength and stamina argument, but skill shouldn’t be affected, e.g. in tennis has there been a female player ever with even half the skill of Federer? Same in golf. Same in football. They do though need the right framework to give them a chance to get there - and unless football is professional, that framework would never be there.

So it’s a great move. Makes good business sense too.

[Quickenthetempo]

I think the premier league give each club 500k for their community program every year.

It replaced the 300k to be spent on away fans.

[Inchy]

The ignorance of women’s football here is quite astounding. The WSL currently has at least 79 women under contract who come from non UK countries, only five of them are American. There is very little question that for women worldwide the WSL is the league which is generating the most attention. An attempt to put a Burnley women’s team into that group will undoubtedly draw attention to the club that wasn’t there before. As an example, for a time this season the two best selling Man United shirts belonged to Christen Press and Tobin Heath.

Men’s football is probably at it’s peak of revenue generation. Women’s football is growing in participants and revenue. In 2019 the average attendance for the WSL was 3401, Pre COVID numbers to be fair. The average ranged from 8614 to 1285. So if you build it etc. A seat at the top table requires a women’s team these days, it seems will probably help with sponsorship etc. Lots of products aimed at women are not giving us any sponsorship money. A squad of 30 being paid an average of 40,000, a number which is likely to be far higher than we would spend, a year would cost 23,000 a week. The cost of someone who would never play for the Men’s first team. If a ticket costs a fiver and the average crowd is the lowest in the WSL the cost of the team drops to 16,800 a week. Pocket change which will have no effect on the men’s team whatsoever.

My wife assures me that the club is not exactly marketing to women at the moment as the shop selections for women are crap. Having a women’s team would most likely increase the interest among women and increase revenue in this area too.

Myself I am a fan of football. I will stop and watch anyone play, kids, women, men and enjoy it. If I only wanted to watch the very best players I would not have been a Burnley fan for over 50 years. Being a Burnley fan is about community, not frontrunning. Women are half of the potential community of Clarets, a community the club has consistently ignored and should not. While I don’t know if Burnley in the Community is self financing or not, if it isn’t, are those here suggesting we shouldn’t put money into it, shut down all community involvement because the money could be better spent on a very minor adult male player? I doubt anyone here would advocate that.

Which leaves me with only one conclusion. The men who object to this are just good old fashioned sexists who want as few women as possible involved in lad activities, particularly football. I am happy that the club, at least for now, is trying to leave that mentality behind.

I am far from sexist. I work in a profession dominated by women. I wouldn’t last two minutes if I was.

My only point is I don’t think it’s sustainable that women’s amateur football is elevated to professional level by using money generated by the men’s game. If we go down it will go. What’s wrong with women’s football being amateur? Nothing. What’s wrong with clay pigeon shooting being amateur? Nothing.

The notion of brand exposure is weird as well. So we are exploiting women to create brand exposure for the club (men’s team) only for them to be dropped when we go down and brand exposure isn’t as important

[Zlatan]

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Fantastic post, thank you

[Steddyman]

Diverting any funding away from the mens’s team could mean even less entertainment than now.

Sorry, but I don't think that is possible.

[Burnley1989]

The ignorance of women’s football here is quite astounding. The WSL currently has at least 79 women under contract who come from non UK countries, only five of them are American. There is very little question that for women worldwide the WSL is the league which is generating the most attention. An attempt to put a Burnley women’s team into that group will undoubtedly draw attention to the club that wasn’t there before. As an example, for a time this season the two best selling Man United shirts belonged to Christen Press and Tobin Heath.

Men’s football is probably at it’s peak of revenue generation. Women’s football is growing in participants and revenue. In 2019 the average attendance for the WSL was 3401, Pre COVID numbers to be fair. The average ranged from 8614 to 1285. So if you build it etc. A seat at the top table requires a women’s team these days, it seems will probably help with sponsorship etc. Lots of products aimed at women are not giving us any sponsorship money. A squad of 30 being paid an average of 40,000, a number which is likely to be far higher than we would spend, a year would cost 23,000 a week. The cost of someone who would never play for the Men’s first team. If a ticket costs a fiver and the average crowd is the lowest in the WSL the cost of the team drops to 16,800 a week. Pocket change which will have no effect on the men’s team whatsoever.

My wife assures me that the club is not exactly marketing to women at the moment as the shop selections for women are crap. Having a women’s team would most likely increase the interest among women and increase revenue in this area too.

Myself I am a fan of football. I will stop and watch anyone play, kids, women, men and enjoy it. If I only wanted to watch the very best players I would not have been a Burnley fan for over 50 years. Being a Burnley fan is about community, not frontrunning. Women are half of the potential community of Clarets, a community the club has consistently ignored and should not. While I don’t know if Burnley in the Community is self financing or not, if it isn’t, are those here suggesting we shouldn’t put money into it, shut down all community involvement because the money could be better spent on a very minor adult male player? I doubt anyone here would advocate that.

Which leaves me with only one conclusion. The men who object to this are just good old fashioned sexists who want as few women as possible involved in lad activities, particularly football. I am happy that the club, at least for now, is trying to leave that mentality behind.

Great post

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I am far from sexist. I work in a profession dominated by women. I wouldn’t last two minutes if I was.

My only point is I don’t think it’s sustainable that women’s amateur football is elevated to professional level by using money generated by the men’s game. If we go down it will go. What’s wrong with women’s football being amateur? Nothing. What’s wrong with clay pigeon shooting being amateur? Nothing.

The notion of brand exposure is weird as well. So we are exploiting women to create brand exposure for the club (men’s team) only for them to be dropped when we go down and brand exposure isn’t as important

If we can improve our women's team it will potentially in turn lead to new sponsorship deals.
Given enough time the woman's team could become self sufficient, bringing them under the umbrella of the whole Club is just about giving them a leg up for a while.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Been thinking about this tonight whilst out.

If the women's team is housed alongside the men's team, they'll naturally have access to better facilities, but also better coaching...
That in turns helps the team to attract better players etc.

We all know how good our GK coach is, he could very well work his magic on any goalie regardless of gender.

Also are we forgetting that a Burnley lass is a former England Ladies goalkeeper?
Rachel Brown anyone?

There are bound to be more local teens who want to play football professionally, we have a chance of giving them the same dream that pretty much every single bloke on here had at one point, playing for their home town.

It could even be worked that the Women's team played at TM on the days that the mens team is playing away from home.
That could help increase their attendance numbers.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I very much doubt Mercer will be coaching the ladies team.

[ClaretAndJew]

I would like to see what the statistics are, in terms of percentages. What's the most popular women's team at this moment? What's their attendance like? Then you have to think, what our women's attendance would be like, considering we don't sell out the first team in the Premier League.

Will it be financially viable?

A good idea, of course, just interesting to see the numbers, because.. that's all it boils down to at the end of the day.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I very much doubt Mercer will be coaching the ladies team.

He could spend time with the goalies, alongside the men's.

People talk about costings etc, but there's nothing to stop some of the men's coaches working with both teams.

Our fitness teams probably will be.

[CoolClaret]

Which leaves me with only one conclusion. The men who object to this are just good old fashioned sexists who want as few women as possible involved in lad activities, particularly football. I am happy that the club, at least for now, is trying to leave that mentality behind.

Absolute b ollocks and your own self-righteous view is beyond patronising to anyone trying to look at this rationally.

Womens football doesn't pull anywhere near the figures that mens football does and doesn't generate the revenue, ESPECIALLY in the UK, where the majority of the pro teams run at a loss..

Alan Pace is sweet talking everyone again when the fact of the matter is if we aren't careful we could end up tumbling down the leagues- and we're looking at investing in a women's team? Why?
To look good? Another tick of Mr.Pace's merry bow?

Have a look at AI scout whilst you're at it as well, another load of ******* tosh

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I would like to see what the statistics are, in terms of percentages. What's the most popular women's team at this moment? What's their attendance like? Then you have to think, what our women's attendance would be like, considering we don't sell out the first team in the Premier League.

Will it be financially viable?

A good idea, of course, just interesting to see the numbers, because.. that's all it boils down to at the end of the day.

https://twitter.com/wslattendances?s=09

Genuinely didn't expect to find this when I was looking for numbers for you

[Devils_Advocate]

Absolute b ollocks and your own self-righteous view is beyond patronising to anyone trying to look at this rationally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HnNBxN ... aulBeattie

[Dyched]

I would like to see what the statistics are, in terms of percentages. What's the most popular women's team at this moment? What's their attendance like? Then you have to think, what our women's attendance would be like, considering we don't sell out the first team in the Premier League.

Will it be financially viable?

A good idea, of course, just interesting to see the numbers, because.. that's all it boils down to at the end of the day.

Would it be financially viable to keep our mens team if we get relegated?

[CoolClaret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HnNBxN ... aulBeattie

Not really more fed up of the woke bunch speaking for everyone with sweeping generalisations...

Also, you're possibly the most annoying person on this forum but I kinda rate it.

[Spiral]

Ben Gibson is technically still a Burnley player. How are people having a fit at professionalising our wimins team? How?

[dsr]

Having a women’s team would most likely increase the interest among women ...

Isn't that a bit patronising to women? Don't women, like men, want to watch the best sport regardless of gender?

[Dyched]

Isn't that a bit patronising to women? Don't women, like men, want to watch the best sport regardless of gender?

It’s not all about watching the best sport. We are all on here because were Burnley fans. Burnley are pretty far down the list of clubs that have played football the best. I’m not just talking about style but on achievements. Many clubs have won more over the past 2/3 years than our entire history. We support them because we had exposure if them as children. They made us dream of being able to be like them. To wear that Claret and Blue.

What woman's football can do is inspire generations of girls to want to play. If you’re a 8/9/10 year old girl why shouldn’t you have the same dreams as boys in your class do? Why can’t they ask dad/mum to take them to see the women's team instead? Girls should have the very same opportunities boys do and visa versa.

That’s even before we talk about what an intimidating atmosphere it can be at football. The swearing the chanting, the laddish disregard to other people, the drinking, the smoking (better nowadays I know).

So, just take 5 minutes and think. If you suddenly was exposed to a new world of possibilities that were available to you as a young kid, to dream of doing something that seemed so impossible, so unreachable and have access to that. How wonderful would that be?

This won’t take nothing away from the men’s team. Nothing. I’d rather we lost Dale Stephens if it meant a generation of girls were given the opportunity to dream.

[dsr]

It’s not all about watching the best sport. We are all on here because were Burnley fans. Burnley are pretty far down the list of clubs that have played football the best. I’m not just talking about style but on achievements. Many clubs have won more over the past 2/3 years than our entire history. We support them because we had exposure if them as children. They made us dream of being able to be like them. To wear that Claret and Blue.

What woman's football can do is inspire generations of girls to want to play. If you’re a 8/9/10 year old girl why shouldn’t you have the same dreams as boys in your class do? Why can’t they ask dad/mum to take them to see the women's team instead? Girls should have the very same opportunities boys do and visa versa.

That’s even before we talk about what an intimidating atmosphere it can be at football. The swearing the chanting, the laddish disregard to other people, the drinking, the smoking (better nowadays I know).

So, just take 5 minutes and think. If you suddenly was exposed to a new world of possibilities that were available to you as a young kid, to dream of doing something that seemed so impossible, so unreachable and have access to that. How wonderful would that be?

This won’t take nothing away from the men’s team. Nothing. I’d rather we lost Dale Stephens if it meant a generation of girls were given the opportunity to dream.

Fair points there. I was talking more about grown women who can make their own mind up, not children. Of course children can be taken on to "less fashionable" Burnley teams, the under 23's sometimes, the under 18's, the women. I once saw an entertaining under 12's (approx.) girls' game at Gawthorpe on my way out from watching the A team. Long before the recent renovations. They wer eplaying on the plastic pitch.

(Though I think watching teams with smaller crowds does perhaps open the children's ears to the amount of swearing that players can do! I exempt the under 12's girls from this charge.)

[CoolClaret]

So people are suggesting Burnley has a moral duty to have a professional women's team that will run at a loss to support girls in the local area...

Out of the tiny % that of girls that would be interested, if the club is really bothered then having more communal outreach is surely the answer.

& equal opportunities doesn't mean equal outcomes there's enough studies that have been shown this.

Why do people feel like girls en masse will love this? Most girls that watch footy will watch the mens game because its by far and away the better product.

Riddle me this, the women's team turns pro, how much are you expecting a ticket to be and how many do you think show up?

Again this notion of brand exposure is nonsense, we're in the Premier League- having a professional Womens team in a league that nobody watches or cares about isn't going to suddenly turn us in to a fashionable team globally.

More hearsay from Pacey boy, who talks a good talk but let's be honest, not started great has it?

I'm certain if he had some beachside property in Nelson to sell there'd be folk on here lining up to purchase

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It would appear that some people are always going to be dead against a woman's team, simply because its women.

They don't want young girls to have the same dream the boys have of playing for their local club...

Oh well, at least we know they won't be turning up to watch them play, because they'd only effing sit their whinging if they don't like what's on display.... Oh wait, they do that with the mens team

[Inchy]

It would appear that some people are always going to be dead against a woman's team, simply because its women.

They don't want young girls to have the same dream the boys have of playing for their local club...

Oh well, at least we know they won't be turning up to watch them play, because they'd only effing sit their whinging if they don't like what's on display.... Oh wait, they do that with the mens team

I have no problem with a women’s team. Young girls can dream of playing for that team. I just don’t think the funding should come from the men’s team. It should only be professional if it can self fund, and the fact that the vast majority of women’s teams run at a loss suggest it won’t

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I have no problem with a women’s team. Young girls can dream of playing for that team. I just don’t think the funding should come from the men’s team. It should only be professional if it can self fund, and the fact that the vast majority of women’s teams run at a loss suggest it won’t

Majority of men's teams run at a loss, so I'm failing to understand your point tbh.

[Hibsclaret]

Ben Gibson is technically still a Burnley player. How are people having a fit at professionalising our wimins team? How?

We’ve paid more for Ben Gibson than it costs to run the women’s team for the next 5 years...for a bit of context and he’s added pretty much zero value to our club

[Burnley1989]

Majority of men's teams run at a loss, so I'm failing to understand your point tbh.

I’d say almost all

[ClaretAndJew]

Would it be financially viable to keep our mens team if we get relegated?

Well, we've been in that division before and the funds generated from ticket sales etc have obviously been enough to make it financially viable.

Would the small percentage of attendees for our women's team be able to pay for all the running costs of a match day?

It's not a bad idea, I'm just thinking of the numbers that's all.

[CoolClaret]

Football teams also generate a metric **** ton of wealth to not only the local area but around the globe as well.

Nit picking the odd player we've signed isn't an indication of them it's simply the cost of having a professional team.

Finally, we are in debt for the first time in years & require significant changes in not only our first team squad but other areas in the ground..

Wasting extra capital on turning our women's team professional right now might pull on the heart strings of the woke squad but it shouldn't be anywhere near the top of our priorities right now.

More shite spouted by Pace to 'promote the brand' , do me a favour

[whentheballmoves]

The ignorance of women’s football here is quite astounding. The WSL currently has at least 79 women under contract who come from non UK countries, only five of them are American. There is very little question that for women worldwide the WSL is the league which is generating the most attention. An attempt to put a Burnley women’s team into that group will undoubtedly draw attention to the club that wasn’t there before. As an example, for a time this season the two best selling Man United shirts belonged to Christen Press and Tobin Heath.

Men’s football is probably at it’s peak of revenue generation. Women’s football is growing in participants and revenue. In 2019 the average attendance for the WSL was 3401, Pre COVID numbers to be fair. The average ranged from 8614 to 1285. So if you build it etc. A seat at the top table requires a women’s team these days, it seems will probably help with sponsorship etc. Lots of products aimed at women are not giving us any sponsorship money. A squad of 30 being paid an average of 40,000, a number which is likely to be far higher than we would spend, a year would cost 23,000 a week. The cost of someone who would never play for the Men’s first team. If a ticket costs a fiver and the average crowd is the lowest in the WSL the cost of the team drops to 16,800 a week. Pocket change which will have no effect on the men’s team whatsoever.

My wife assures me that the club is not exactly marketing to women at the moment as the shop selections for women are crap. Having a women’s team would most likely increase the interest among women and increase revenue in this area too.

Myself I am a fan of football. I will stop and watch anyone play, kids, women, men and enjoy it. If I only wanted to watch the very best players I would not have been a Burnley fan for over 50 years. Being a Burnley fan is about community, not frontrunning. Women are half of the potential community of Clarets, a community the club has consistently ignored and should not. While I don’t know if Burnley in the Community is self financing or not, if it isn’t, are those here suggesting we shouldn’t put money into it, shut down all community involvement because the money could be better spent on a very minor adult male player? I doubt anyone here would advocate that.

Which leaves me with only one conclusion. The men who object to this are just good old fashioned sexists who want as few women as possible involved in lad activities, particularly football. I am happy that the club, at least for now, is trying to leave that mentality behind.

Completely agree.
My daughter has played for a team for three years over here in Sheffield.
The league here is massive, and is bearing fruit already.
I can think of at least 4 players off the top of my head to come from the South Yorkshire area who play WSL football and have represented England. The skill level is improving.
There are far less cheating antics and fouls in general, which is great to see.
There is much more of a sense of fair play and less of a win at all costs mindset, which often blights boys' and mens' grassroots football.
I prefer to referee these games, because I get less grief and generally arsey behaviour from players, coaches or fans.
It's another positive thing to be associated with the town of Burnley.
Well done to the club and all involved for getting the ball rolling, and long may it continue.
I wish them every success.
Besides, I might now have three kids signing as a pro for Burnley FC, not just two!

[Rileybobs]

Football teams also generate a metric **** ton of wealth to not only the local area but around the globe as well.

Nit picking the odd player we've signed isn't an indication of them it's simply the cost of having a professional team.

Finally, we are in debt for the first time in years & require significant changes in not only our first team squad but other areas in the ground..

Wasting extra capital on turning our women's team professional right now might pull on the heart strings of the woke squad but it shouldn't be anywhere near the top of our priorities right now.

More shite spouted by Pace to 'promote the brand' , do me a favour

Having a professional women's team is woke now is it? Your use of the term 'woke' in a negative sense demonstrates that you have no understanding of its meaning.

[claptrappers_union]

For me, football is a story. Clubs are formed, most hundreds of years ago and are continuing their journey.

Some clubs change names, merge with other clubs, sometimes fold and reform. You have clubs who have stayed in the top flight since day one, other clubs climb the ladder from obscurity while some are sleeping giants.

Women’s football has no foundation. It’s too manufactured and the reason for that is it’s reliance on the men’s clubs. The success and growth of Burnley FC women is in the hands of how many goals the men’s team are scoring. What happens to the women’s team if Burnley are relegated, twice?

Women’s football needs to rival men’s football, it needs to be the competition, not some box-ticking add-on.

The sport will never fully develop unless it stands on it own two feet. But I suppose it has to start somewhere. Maybe the journey is just beginning?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The first recorded game of football in England between 2 women's teams was in 1895.

Then for some reason, the FA stepped in and decided to try and halt any progress it was making...

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So those telling us its got no history, or needs to stand on its own two feet without support from the men's game, maybe the men's game owes the ladies a helping hand after decades of trying to suppress it.

[Rileybobs]

The first recorded game of football between 2 women's teams was in 1895 in England.

Then for some reason, the FA stepped in and decided to try and halt any progress it was making...

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So those telling us its got no history, or needs to stand on its own two feet without support from the men's game, maybe the men's game owes the ladies a helping hand after decades of trying to suppress it.

I believe it was banned by 'traditionalists'.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I believe it was banned by 'traditionalists'.

From the looks of it their descendants are still trying to block it.

[RingoMcCartney]

The first recorded game of football in England between 2 women's teams was in 1895.

Then for some reason, the FA stepped in and decided to try and halt any progress it was making...

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So those telling us its got no history, or needs to stand on its own two feet without support from the men's game, maybe the men's game owes the ladies a helping hand after decades of trying to suppress it.

"Suppression" . Quality control. yer pays yer money.....

[aggi]

I still find it bizarre all these Burnley fans saying that they wouldn't watch women's football as they only want to watch football at the most skilful, entertaining, elite level.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I still find it bizarre all these Burnley fans saying that they wouldn't watch women's football as they only want to watch football at the most skilful, entertaining, elite level.

It's almost like they can't see the irony in what they're saying

[mikeS]

Burnley Ladies Football Team formed in 1914. There are records in the Burnley Express of Ladies matches played at Turf Moor in the 1890s. The most famous Ladies side, Dick Kerrs, played at the Turf against a Liverpool ladies 11 in March 1920 and Burnley Captain Tommy Boyle refereed. Dick Kerrs ladies winning 5-0.

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[GodIsADeeJay81]

So a quick summary thus far.

We've established there is a history of women's football in Burnley.
We've had an England number 1 from the town.

The male ran FA put a stop to womens football as best they could.

Men on here want womens football to be self sufficient and make a profit, despite men's football clubs running at a loss in the main.

They want to watch a decent standard of attractive football.

They don't want the men's side to fund the women's side, but accept that the mens team will waste money on poor signings from time to time.

They don't see why young girls should share the same dream they had as kids, of playing for their home town team.

Oh and its woke to push this agenda down the throats of men who don't like women's football on Sky sports, but they're fine with any other sport they don't watch or have an interest in that's played by men...


It's nice to see that we have such progressive, forward thinking fans...

[dsr]

So a quick summary thus far.

We've established there is a history of women's football in Burnley.
We've had an England number 1 from the town.

The male ran FA put a stop to womens football as best they could.

Men on here want womens football to be self sufficient and make a profit, despite men's football clubs running at a loss in the main.

They want to watch a decent standard of attractive football.

They don't want the men's side to fund the women's side, but accept that the mens team will waste money on poor signings from time to time.

They don't see why young girls should share the same dream they had as kids, of playing for their home town team.

Oh and its woke to push this agenda down the throats of men who don't like women's football on Sky sports, but they're fine with any other sport they don't watch or have an interest in that's played by men...


It's nice to see that we have such progressive, forward thinking fans...

I'd suggest you read the thread again. Your summary is, to say the least, patchy.

I think it can be summarised more succinctly by saying that some people thing that Burnley F.C.'s income should be used directly or indirectly for the benefit of the men's first XI as it always has been, and some think that some of the income should be directed to women footballers.

And perhaps it may be fair to conclude that the people who want the money directed to women's football also believe that they are better people than those who don't.

[Spiral]

Okay, fine. If it's all about the first XI, why "waste" money improving disabled facilities, painting the CFS seats, or any other supposedly superfluous expenditure that could otherwise be directed towards player wages and sporting facilities? How long will it take to recoup in income from disabled fans the outlay for improving our disabled facilities?

For the benefit of those without two brain cells to rub together, I'm clearly not advocating this position.

If we can use income gained from the men's team to improve other areas of the club outside the men's playing squad and the facilities they use, why not the investment needed to professionalise the women's team? It's because it's the women's team, obviously, but if someone wants to try to change my mind I'm all ears.

[boatshed bill]

Maybe the more sceptical among us should look at the potential benefits to the community that investment in women's football would create?

[AlargeClaret]

Not like back in the day with you at the Kierby Hotel.
No time for them playing footy after that eh ?!!

Quite what boning some anonymous Sat night tart 25? Yrs ago has to do with women’s football ? I couldn’t possibly know . Do enlighten me sir . Though I’d imagine the vast majority of my drunken conquests were 90 mins from the knackers yard rather than a starting XI