Ashley Barnes arrested

[KRBFC]

Is that the article in The Sun where it says 'a source'? Must be true, eh. Silly me.

Yes and it quotes the source, the source is an inside snake and shouldn't be commenting on private stories to the Sun newspaper.

[Billy Balfour]

Yes and it quotes the source, the source is an inside snake and shouldn't be commenting on private stories to the Sun newspaper.

Gullible.

[cbx750]

Yes and it quotes the source, the source is an inside snake and shouldn't be commenting on private stories to the Sun newspaper.

You do know newspapers make quotes up? I know this because a paper once quoted a family member in a story but she never spoke to any reporters.

[TheFamilyCat]

Yes and it quotes the source, the source is an inside snake and shouldn't be commenting on private stories to the Sun newspaper.

There is only one verifiable part of the article: AB was arrested for drink driving. The rest, attributed to "a source" could be guessed, even by a Sun "journalist":

"Four hour booze up" - yep, that's how long a coach journey to Burnley would take.
"Dyche is furious" - yep, fair chance he's not happy (not furious enough to drop him though).

[KRBFC]

Gullible.

potentially, of course my point was only valid if there was an actual source (snake in the grass), if there is no source, there is no problem.

[evensteadiereddie]

I would imagine any snippets will have been passed on by one of Cheshire Constabulary's finest and the rest of the story er, embellished by the journalist.

[Elizabeth]

I agree with CT - it is unacceptable however you look at it, over the limit, under the limit - doesn’t matter to me. What does matter is that he had a drink and got in a car a drove and that shows very poor judgement on his part, which to me is unacceptable.

Slightly off topic , and clearly unacceptable behaviour by Barnes .
Are you saying that anyone who has a drink and drives is showing very poor judgement?

[warksclaret]

Thought the Sun would have come up with the headline ASHLEY BARNES HITS THE BAR

[Zlatan]

Slightly off topic , and clearly unacceptable behaviour by Barnes .
Are you saying that anyone who has a drink and drives is showing very poor judgement?

Yes

[Bosscat]

Slightly off topic , and clearly unacceptable behaviour by Barnes .
Are you saying that anyone who has a drink and drives is showing very poor judgement?

I should bloody well hope he thinks "anyone who has a drink and drives is showing very poor judgement" because its a very very idiotic and stupid thing to do.

[Elizabeth]

Thanks Zlatan , i thought that’s what you meant but wanted to check I had got it right before replying .
I don’t deny you your right to live your life with such strict moral principles, some would call it puritanical beliefs.
Barnes was clearly irresponsible and I think it’s important to make the distinction here between his reckless behaviour and what others who might have a pint then drive do.

[Elizabeth]

I should bloody well hope he thinks "anyone who has a drink and drives is showing very poor judgement" because its a very very idiotic and stupid thing to do.

It’s not stupid and idiotic to have a pint and then drive Boss

[Bosscat]

It’s not stupid and idiotic to have a pint and then drive Boss

Of course it is ... alcohol and driving is stupid regardless of the amount.

It is irresponsible and dangerous.

[Elizabeth]

Come on , if it was as irresponsible and dangerous as you say , the law would do something about it.
I get that’s your own personal view on the matter and that’s fine.

[Transpennine]

No it isn’t, but let’s see how far he got.

Not the point I know. He’s made a mess of things...thankfully not hurt anyone.

Barnes fans = fine him and let’s get on with it...

Barnes haters = flog him and sack him and burn him and never let him play for the club again.

Not sure its Barnes fans & Barnes haters. More that people have different options on the scale/impact/importance of the offence

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s not stupid and idiotic to have a pint and then drive Boss

A single pint can affect people in different ways.

I know people who are 'wasted' after a half pint.

Also if someone hasn't eaten, compared to someone who has then a single pint will have different responses to a pint.

Same if they're on medication.

Yes the law makes an allowance for x amount of units, but if Barnes has failed x2 breathalysers he's clearly unfit to drive and is a risk to himself and others.

[Elizabeth]

There will always be exceptions and if someone is wasted after half a pint it doesn’t mean they are going to get behind the wheel of a car does it ?

Let’s not get ‘We Shall Overcome’ about it

[GodIsADeeJay81]

There will always be exceptions and if someone is wasted after half a pint it doesn’t mean they are going to get behind the wheel of a car does it ?

Barnes got behind the wheel after more than half a pint despite knowing he was smashed, what's your point?

[Elizabeth]

Read my comments properly , it looks like you’ve jumped in without thinking

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Nope, you've stated it isn't stupid/idiotic to drive after a pint.

I've pointed out where it can be, I didn't jump in without thinking.

[Burnley Ace]

Loss of employment?
Reputation?
..... Its not all about sentence, any good solicitor would make the criteria fit, you saying people plead guilty because they cannot get legal aid is what wrong

Lol when was the last time you applied for legal aid on an excess alch case? Loss of reputation!!!

[evensteadiereddie]

Surely anybody drinking a pint of ordinary strength beer etc wouldn't fail a breath or blood test. If the drinker's not used to it, I can imagine them feeling squiffy and they, therefore, would be daft to drive but for the rest of us who would not be so badly affected , there is actually no problem whatsoever with having drinks below the legal limit.

[Elizabeth]

Nope, you've stated it isn't stupid/idiotic to drive after a pint.

I've pointed out where it can be, I didn't jump in without thinking.

Yes and I will repeat it again . Neither is it irresponsible and should be kept separate to Barnes’ actions.
Using someone who gets smashed after a half as an argument for zero tolerance is laughable

[Elizabeth]

Surely anybody drinking a pint of ordinary strength beer etc wouldn't fail a breath or blood test.

I think it’s a zero tolerance argument here eddie

[SouthLondonexile]

I am disappointed this has happened. I’m also relieved nobody was hurt.
However let (s) he who is without sin cast the first stone.
This incident should not mean he is to be released by the club, I can almost feel the lack of compassion for the player by some. He is a human being should be rightly ticked off but not banished.

[Grumps]

Lol when was the last time you applied for legal aid on an excess alch case? Loss of reputation!!!

Read the interest of justice part of the attached, then remove your laughing faces

https://www.drinkdriving.org/drink_driv ... _guide.php

[evensteadiereddie]

I think it’s a zero tolerance argument here eddie

Well, that's not going to happen and nor should it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yes and I will repeat it again . Neither is it irresponsible and should be kept separate to Barnes’ actions.
Using someone who gets smashed after a half as an argument for zero tolerance is laughable

I didn't say a word about zero tolerance either.....

I merely pointed out that a single pint can cause issues for some so climb down from your soap box.

[Vegas Claret]

It’s not stupid and idiotic to have a pint and then drive Boss

wow

[Elbarad]

I'm wondering how some of these posters get home from church after taking communion...

[evensteadiereddie]

And they would be stupid to drive even though they are not anywhere near the limit.
For the rest of us, it's not - or shouldn't be - a problem.

[Elizabeth]

No soapbox , and glad you have made it clear you don’t support zero tolerance and are critical of Barnes
We agree then on all sides so what was your point again ?

[evensteadiereddie]

wow

It's not stupid to have drinks below the legal limit and drive.
Some folks think that any drinking or driving is unacceptable, the law here says differently.
We decide.

[Elizabeth]

And they would be stupid to drive even though they are not anywhere near the limit.
For the rest of us, it's not - or shouldn't be - a problem.

They probably don’t drive after the half and was just being used to try and support an opposite viewpoint

[Elizabeth]

wow

You usually have more to say than that. Just woken up over there?

[Vegas Claret]

It's not stupid to have drinks below the legal limit and drive.
Some folks think that any drinking or driving is unacceptable, the law here says differently.
We decide.

so if you drank right to the edge of the legal limit and rammed your car into a family on the pavement you'd be cool with it ? Good to know the lack of respect for other human beings is live and well on this board

[Vegas Claret]

You usually have more to say than that. Just woken up over there?

actually no, just figured the wow about covered it !

[bobinho]

It’s not stupid and idiotic to have a pint and then drive Boss

Yes it is. Utterly moronic.

Have a pint, drive home, hit someone and kill them. Can you 100% guarantee that you would still have done it without the pint? I couldn’t, and personally I’d struggle to live with myself even after “passing” a breath test. My point is you will never know whether you would’ve reacted quicker or made a different decision to change the outcome.

It’s morally abhorrent to have alcohol or any other substance that affects the mind and then get behind the wheel of a car.

[evensteadiereddie]

so if you drank right to the edge of the legal limit and rammed your car into a family on the pavement you'd be cool with it ? Good to know the lack of respect for other human beings is live and well on this board

The driver of any car driving it legally and then, somehow, ramming a family on the pavement would not be cool with it, would they ?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No soapbox , and glad you have made it clear you don’t support zero tolerance and are critical of Barnes
We agree then on all sides so what was your point again ?

Clearly you're just being an arse about this one.

Drinking after a single pint can be bad, something you hadn't considered in your crusade.

I just gave examples where it can be, after which you accused me of not being able to read and then made a false claim I supported zero tolerance because you failed to correctly read what I said...

You're making this harder work than it needs to be for some reason only known to you.

I don't agree with what Barnes did, nor do I want zero tolerance just for people like you sat at the back of the class not paying attention.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yes it is. Utterly moronic.

Have a pint, drive home, hit someone and kill them. Can you 100% guarantee that you would still have done it without the pint? I couldn’t, and personally I’d struggle to live with myself even after “passing” a breath test. My point is you will never know whether you would’ve reacted quicker or made a different decision to change the outcome.

It’s morally abhorrent to have alcohol or any other substance that affects the mind and then get behind the wheel of a car.

Your internal struggle is interesting , your opinion about drinking and driving legally is neither here nor there.

[Elizabeth]

Clearly you're just being an arse about this one.

Drinking after a single pint can be bad, something you hadn't considered in your crusade.

I just gave examples where it can be, after which you accused me of not being able to read and then made a false claim I supported zero tolerance because you failed to correctly read what I said...

You're making this harder work than it needs to be for some reason only known to you.

I don't agree with what Barnes did, nor do I want zero tolerance just for people like you sat at the back of the class not paying attention.

My points on this issue could not have been clearer but if it helps you to feel better insult me, it’s absolutely no skin of my nose
I have led the discussion since I asked Zlatan if he could confirm his thoughts on zero tolerance. Unfortunately you butted in half way after clearly not following the argument to make a point about your half pint friend that was clearly irrelevant to my argument

[boatshed bill]

Yes it is. Utterly moronic.

Have a pint, drive home, hit someone and kill them. Can you 100% guarantee that you would still have done it without the pint? I couldn’t, and personally I’d struggle to live with myself even after “passing” a breath test. My point is you will never know whether you would’ve reacted quicker or made a different decision to change the outcome.

It’s morally abhorrent to have alcohol or any other substance that affects the mind and then get behind the wheel of a car.

Coffee? Red Bull? Irn Bru? All stimulants

[IanMcL]

Thought the Sun would have come up with the headline ASHLEY BARNES HITS THE BAR

....after many shots

[Zlatan]

If you are going to drive don’t drink - at all.

The blood alcohol level limit is a tolerance not a target, not a difficult concept to grasp, but some clearly are struggling. The tolerance is in place to accommodate how different people handle alcohol in their blood stream differently, so your 40kg woman who has half a glass of wine the night before is still able (and within the limit) to drive the next morning after a night sleep. It is not a target for the 120kg alcoholic to see how many pints he can have before his blood alcohol levels reach the limit.

[Vegas Claret]

The driver of any car driving it legally and then, somehow, ramming a family on the pavement would not be cool with it, would they ?

absolutely not but that's not my argument. You (and others) seem to be saying that just because something is legal it is morally ok and I'm saying it isn't.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not a difficult concept to grasp at all. There is a set figure of the amount of alcohol in a driver's bloodstream beyond which is illegal and below which is legal.
I'm comfortable with having two medium to low strength pints before driving and never more than that.
Others choose to have fewer drinks or none at all, that's fine by me.
Cheers !

[Elizabeth]

actually no, just figured the wow about covered it !

Think that’s a smiley . I just don’t get why some are using Barnes stupidity to criticise others that drink and drive responsibly . You are entitled by law to do that

[Vegas Claret]

Think that’s a smiley . I just don’t get why some are using Barnes stupidity to criticise others that drink and drive responsibly . You are entitled by law to do that

copying this from my reply to eddie -

"You (and others) seem to be saying that just because something is legal it is morally ok and I'm saying it isn't."

It's that simple really

[bobinho]

No struggle whatsoever Eddie. I choose not to drink alcohol when driving, because I know living with the knowledge it COULD have been different would screw me up.

There may be a legal limit, but just because an individual is not legally responsible for the aftermath, neither can anyone guarantee they weren’t. I choose not to take the risk.