Pickford

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:56 pm

Undoubtedly Nick would have saved that free-kick. Pickford's brains look scrambled. He can't handle the pressure unfortunately.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:56 pm

Yep let’s get right after him after being superb tournament

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:27 pm

Pickford's pulled off a couple of huge saves to keep England in this match, and if anyone is faulting him for the goal I think that's being harsh, it was a good strike, and although he got a hand to it he'd have been hard pushed to stop it.

Thankfully JP appears to have settled down 2nd half after an erratic display in the first period when he constantly gifted Denmark possession in dangerous areas which could have proved costly.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:46 pm

It was a good strike, but had he been more central, he would've saved it easily. Despite it being a well struck free kick, it wasn't in the corner. His positioning left him too much to do. Goalkeeping error for me.

Hes made some good saves too, but for me, that was an error.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:56 pm

Lacking arm inches, definitely.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:57 pm

CaptJohn wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:56 pm
Undoubtedly Nick would have saved that free-kick. Pickford's brains look scrambled. He can't handle the pressure unfortunately.

He needs to lay of the skittles, specially the red ones.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:15 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:57 pm
He needs to lay of the skittles, specially the red ones.

Blue surely

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:53 pm

Very sloppy first half by Pickford and we know he’s got that in him. He’s had a very good tournament though and hopefully that’s out of his system in time for the final. He wasn’t the only one who looked a bag of nerves in the first half by the way.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:55 pm

He was very hyped up just like joe was against Iceland

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:03 pm

He was very poor on all aspects of his game tonight, didn't look international quality.
And what about the old "need to be able to play out from the back" bullshit?
All he did was hoof it, or throw it to Danes.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:05 pm

He didn't have a great game tonight. He scares me to death when the ball goes anywhere in the air round him.

But earlier he's been solid

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:07 pm

Hopefully he has got his crap game out of him, he is our first choice keeper and needs our backing. That said when Southgate watches the videos he mighfvrealise that Pope isca better all round keeper and on tonight's performance a better passer.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:08 pm

Best English keeper by some distance.

Simple as that.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:09 pm

I'm gutted for Pope, would have been amazing for him to be in this squad

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:10 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:08 pm
Best English keeper by some distance.

Simple as that.

You might catch a few with that one

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:13 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:10 pm
You might catch a few with that one

I think he was referring to Nick Pope

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:16 pm

Reminds me of Sylvester Stallone in Escape to Victory when he starts yelling at folk.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:16 pm

Sadly he is a poor keeper at this level. With Pope being injured I have no axe to grind, but for me Nick is far better.

It’s no good playing well early on if you then bottle it in the big games.

- nervy throughout
- poor positioning and shot stopping for the goal
- a few punches when catches would be better
- shoved one wide that was going wide anyway

But if we are to win it, we have to rely on him.

Guppyspotter · Post by **Guppyspotter** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:18 pm

When he was setting up for the free kick you could tell he wasn't sure of himself, his positioning and the wall. He looked like a keeper about to concede, all it needed was a half decent shot.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:19 pm

Wind-up OP.

Pope would have delivered and saved the goal.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:24 pm

You always get the impression that he's thinking about making a save for the camera and some of them are far more spectacular than they really need to be.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:31 pm

It troubles me when he drops a bollock....he bollock s everyone else. Something not right in that guys head

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:42 pm

Shock Horror Goalkeeper lets in a goal

England in the final and sad and pathetic Burnley fans cant wait to have a dig at one of our best players in this tournament.

Lets see what happens next season if I ignore all the brilliant stuff Pope does every game and just jump on him and criticise him when he gives away a goal. I've got a feeling not only will you wallys not agree with me but you will start crying and accusing me of being a troll for doing to Pope exactly what you are doing to Pickford tonight

England in the first major final since 66 and our keeper has only been beaten once in 6 games. Its fuckin dreamland

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:59 pm

Charles pumped up for this one

Gp8419 · Post by **Gp8419** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:07 am

I thought it was a difficult one that free kick some dip and pace on it,one of them the pace could of took it in even if he gets a big hand there.I wouldn’t be too critical at the free kick but Gary Neville who knows everything says he should save it so guess he’s right.He shouldn’t be punching a ball when no danish player is near him though that peed me off.But we have to get behind them they are only human and been decent enough so far.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:13 am

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 pm
He looks on edge. Best thing Southgate can do is try to calm him a little… how though I don’t know. I know I’ve been a critic, but he’s been superb all this tournament and it would be a shame to be remembered for screw ups tonight

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:42 pm
Shock Horror Goalkeeper lets in a goal

England in the final and sad and pathetic Burnley fans cant wait to have a dig at one of our best players in this tournament.

Lets see what happens next season if I ignore all the brilliant stuff Pope does every game and just jump on him and criticise him when he gives away a goal. I've got a feeling not only will you wallys not agree with me but you will start crying and accusing me of being a troll for doing to Pope exactly what you are doing to Pickford tonight

England in the first major final since 66 and our keeper has only been beaten once in 6 games. Its fuckin dreamland

You keep peddling your anti Burnley fan agenda DA, if that makes you feel better. Pickford has been excellent, but tonight he was poor in many aspects of his game; rolling ball out to them; poor position for their goal; kicking was woeful at times too, but it’s Burnley fans being unfair.

OK then

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:18 am

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:13 am
You keep peddling your anti Burnley fan agenda DA, if that makes you feel better. Pickford has been excellent, but tonight he was poor in many aspects of his game; rolling ball out to them; poor position for their goal; kicking was woeful at times too, but it’s Burnley fans being unfair.

OK then

No anti Burnley. Im pointing out if I treated Pope how people are treating Pickford you and others would get upset, triggered and call me a troll

I am trying to turn the situation back on you to make you realise how pathetic your attitude towards Pickford is.

Im not anti Burnley, Im not anti Pope, I am just anti the way you and others are unable to have a balanced discussion and if the way I shine a light on it upsets you then thats your problem not mine.

dansch · Post by **dansch** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:21 am

I don't see what people's issue is. Nick Pope is world class at the old school fundamentals of goalkeeping which suits us to a tee. Ball at feet he is probably the worst in the prem, he just looks so unnatural but we don't play that way. England play around more at the back which is part of their build up and Pickford is integral to that. Had a much better goalkeeping performance in this tournament than he did in the prem as well so end of.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:23 am

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:18 am
No anti Burnley. Im pointing out if I treated Pope how people are treating Pickford you and others would get upset, triggered and call me a troll

I am trying to turn the situation back on you to make you realise how pathetic your attitude towards Pickford is.

Im not anti Burnley, Im not anti Pope, I am just anti the way you and others are unable to have a balanced discussion and if the way I shine a light on it upsets you then thats your problem not mine.

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 pm
He looks on edge. Best thing Southgate can do is try to calm him a little… how though I don’t know. I know I’ve been a critic, but he’s been superb all this tournament and it would be a shame to be remembered for screw ups tonight

Yup pathetic that

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:29 am

Guppyspotter wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:18 pm
When he was setting up for the free kick you could tell he wasn't sure of himself, his positioning and the wall. He looked like a keeper about to concede, all it needed was a half decent shot.

Tend to agree with Guppyspotter on this one. Pickford wasn't happy with the positioning of the wall and may have positioned himself a foot or so
further to one side than he might have done otherwise. Then he might have saved the free kick given it was well inside of the post and he wasn't far off. ( Did he actually get a touch?} But he didn't and we managed to pull one back relatively quickly. But his kicking out was poor in my opinion.
On a couple of occasions straight to Danish players which on another night might have cost us. And on quite a few more straight out of play.
Not his best night for sure and he was probably England's worst player in the ratings. But he also made quite a few decent punch outs in situations/corners where the Danes really crowded the six yard box like I've never seen before. They put 5/6 players in there and there was barely any space between them.
He's the best we've got at present but you always worry that he's going to drop a clanger and cost us a goal.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:31 am

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:23 am
Yup pathetic that

Thats not pathetic from you and it was actually quite refreshing at the start of this thread that a lot of people including you came on and praised Pickford

That said some people couldnt help themselves to try and pick at the littlest of things and jump on him as soon as he lets in a goal.

Again that isnt you but the way you have reacted to my comments like I am the one with the agenda lets you down. Apart from on the match threads when you go full Phil Bird you are a very considered and balanced poster but you really need to accept other views like mine without branding me a troll or anti this or that.

Back at the start of this thread I gave my view (below) and if you think this is anti Burnley then give your head a wobble and try and get some perspective

"Both Pope and Pickford are top class keepers albeit with different attributes. For the way Burnley set up and play I wouldn't swap Pope for anyone and definitely not Pickford but for England id have Pickford all the way."

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:42 am

Oh the old Pickford nonsense again, Pope is injured and not in the squad, get over it.

Pickford's had a very good tournament, the goal is a weird one, it looks easy to save in slow mo for people sat at home, I trust it was considerably more difficult than that because it beat a professional in top form and the movement and dip was incredible. He had a couple of early nervy moments, threw the ball and the attacker nipped in, one or two wayward kicks.

I always thought he's not commanding particularly at corners, he punched a couple of vital ones. I see zero issue with punching the ball away, one of the punches led to a very good counter opportunity. He settled down after their goal, played with composure and made a world class save down low (I think the attacker was offside). He shanks a few kicks but which keeper doesn't?

For England Pickford is very good, reliable. I'd have Pope at Burnley over Pickford though but if you're criticizing the winning keeper after England just reached the Euro final for punching the ball or a couple of nervy kicks, give your head a wobble.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:44 am

I think it's fair to say this Euro tournament has highlighted how little people on here know about football in general however so it shouldn't surprise me.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:54 am

I'm an advocate of Pickford, think he's been very good this tournament generally but I do think he got it all wrong for their free kick. It was almost dead centre. Be that positioning, reactions, reach or whatever he should have saved it.

But to his credit despite looking shaky he pulled through the bad spell, made an excellent save low down to his right and commanded the box well for their corners and set pieces (goal aside).

He's clearly nervous and who can blame him. I'm sure Pope would be too. What matters is he keeps out more goals that our opposition and he's been excellent in that regard over the tournament.

For the next game he needs to calm down and take a step back. An opportunity of a lifetime but no dignity to be lost if we lose to Italy who've also proven that are a very good side.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:50 am

To be fair, he wasn’t the only England player to have a wobble tonight. We gave the ball away nearly every pass in midfield for the first 20 mins or so until they scored.

Suratclaret · Post by **Suratclaret** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:44 am

Interestingly, Pickford overtook Gordon Banks' record of 720 minutes without conceding a goal.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:18 am

Below the standard of the rest of the team. Like the late Gary Sprake

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:01 am

It was just a top free kick.

You position a wall to stop the kick going in one side and the goalkeeper protects the other. But with the capability that Damsgaard showed, of getting the ball up and over jumping players and down into the goal and with pace, and his colleagues trying to block Pickford's view, I thought Pickford did well to get a hand on it at all.

Just a superb piece of football.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:05 am

It was poor keeping.
It happens though, he’s been pretty solid overall this tournament.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:13 am

Hipper wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:01 am
It was just a top free kick.

You position a wall to stop the kick going in one side and the goalkeeper protects the other. But with the capability that Damsgaard showed, of getting the ball up and over jumping players and down into the goal and with pace, and his colleagues trying to block Pickford's view, I thought Pickford did well to get a hand on it at all.

Just a superb piece of football.

No doubt it was a good free kick but you just have to look at how central the ball was.
You'd expect the top keeper in any big team to save it. He just got it wrong. Perhaps if he was taller he'd have saved it but that's besides the point. He has to make up for his shortfall.

Let's be honest, it was not a David Beckham or Roberto Carlos esque top corner wonder goal. As impressive as the movement of the ball was it was still just in the middle of the goal.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:17 am

I thought he was struggling to get the wall right, as if they couldn't hear him over the crowd noise.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:22 am

If it hadn’t been for some of his saves in early games last nights events wouldn’t have even been under discussion. He’ll talk with his coach about last night and ways of how to improve. The lads still a top keeper and deserves a lot of respect. I just hope he and the rest of the lads have a brilliant final.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:31 am

He lost the plot a bit last night but he’s had an excellent tournament. I was still wishing we could bring Pope on for those corners though. If Pope could kick he’d be number 1 easily IMO.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:40 am

My wife who generally doesn’t watch footy, said oh my god he makes me nervous every time he’s anywhere near the ball. Pretty much sums him up to me

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:41 am

I don't think it's indicative of any agenda to say Pickford was top class in the early stages of the tournament but in the last two he's shown signs of being a bit manic. Of course you'll get Pope comparisons on here. As he's injured it's irrelevant but yes, I'm certain he'd have saved that free kick and caught some of those crosses.

The kicking thing is curious, I've not seen anything in the last two games that help me to understand the obsession with distribution. Pickford has been more Pope (launch it) than Ederson (pinging passes). Anyway, I hope he calms down a bit and plays like he did in the group games. He could yet win it for us on Sunday so let's hope he's the hero and not the agitated Warwick Davis he was last night.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:49 am

NottsClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:41 am
I don't think it's indicative of any agenda to say Pickford was top class in the early stages of the tournament but in the last two he's shown signs of being a bit manic. Of course you'll get Pope comparisons on here. As he's injured it's irrelevant but yes, I'm certain he'd have saved that free kick and caught some of those crosses.

The kicking thing is curious, I've not seen anything in the last two games that help me to understand the obsession with distribution. Pickford has been more Pope (launch it) than Ederson (pinging passes). Anyway, I hope he calms down a bit and plays like he did in the group games. He could yet win it for us on Sunday so let's hope he's the hero and not the agitated Warwick Davis he was last night.

His distribution has taken a serious nose dive in the past couple of games. It was a lot better earlier in the tournament. It's usually a lot better than Pope but in the last game it was awful. He got nervous and lost confidence.

I think he's just afraid of making a mistake and that makes it worse.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:57 am

He had a poor game last night. It happens. Fortunately we were playing a fairly ordinary team.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:56 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:56 pm
Lacking arm inches, definitely.

I never really got people saying his arms were to short until I saw the England team line up for the national anthem with there arms round each others shoulders,Pickford looks to be hanging in mid air with his arms round Kane & Mings...

....last night he looked really uncomfortable just hanging there between Kane & Maguire I think it was.

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Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:47 pm

NottsClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:41 am
I don't think it's indicative of any agenda to say Pickford was top class in the early stages of the tournament but in the last two he's shown signs of being a bit manic. Of course you'll get Pope comparisons on here. As he's injured it's irrelevant but yes, I'm certain he'd have saved that free kick and caught some of those crosses.

The kicking thing is curious, I've not seen anything in the last two games that help me to understand the obsession with distribution. Pickford has been more Pope (launch it) than Ederson (pinging passes). Anyway, I hope he calms down a bit and plays like he did in the group games. He could yet win it for us on Sunday so let's hope he's the hero and not the agitated Warwick Davis he was last night.

It’s not just the distribution though, it’s how comfortable Pickford is with the ball at his feet. When he receives a back pass in a tight position, on his goal line and onto his weak foot he has the confidence and ability to take a touch onto his stronger foot and try to find a pass. Pope doesn’t do this, hardly ever. And the goal he conceded at Newcastle last season demonstrates why. He tends to hit the ball first time which often ends in a sliced clearance and more often than not a lack of possession. At Burnley our defenders won’t even play the ball back to him in a tight situation, they just put it out for a throw.

Pickford’s passing isn’t all that, although it’s much better than Pope’s. But his ball control, direction and the power he generates with both feet is much better.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:47 pm
It’s not just the distribution though, it’s how comfortable Pickford is with the ball at his feet. When he receives a back pass in a tight position, on his goal line and onto his weak foot he has the confidence and ability to take a touch onto his stronger foot and try to find a pass. Pope doesn’t do this, hardly ever. And the goal he conceded at Newcastle last season demonstrates why. He tends to hit the ball first time which often ends in a sliced clearance and more often than not a lack of possession. At Burnley our defenders won’t even play the ball back to him in a tight situation, they just put it out for a throw.

Pickford’s passing isn’t all that, although it’s much better than Pope’s. But his ball control, direction and the power he generates with both feet is much better.

Talking of his first touch, he had no problem finding touch on numerous occasions last night.