Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[ClaretAL]

We have Lowton, Bardsley and Collins (who played RB for Stoke) as right backs. This doesn't seem the wisest way of spending money unless he plays wide midfield as well. I know hes a grafter

I think Dyche would have played Collins at right back in the pre season matches if he was thinking of him playing him there.

[Lancasterclaret]

This sounds like agent talk to try to get the player a better move

And Lyon are as skint as everyone else in the French league, and Inter are doing a fire sale, so I reckon we've still got a chance

But its pretty clear that we are not Cornets first choice!

[warksclaret]

I think Dyche would have played Collins at right back in the pre season matches if he was thinking of him playing him there.

I know. I guess no need to as you already have two RB, but my point was that at a push ,you have Collins as well. We are screaming out for a wide sided right footed midfielder with pace as we all know

[Boss Hogg]

3 days left to sign someone if we want to put out a stronger team than at the end of last season. We’ve known the need areas for months and months. Did we need to leave it so late ? At the end of last season I don’t think many fans would have believed there would be no first team strengthening in time for this season’s ko.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Looks like whoever is running the clubs social media accounts has lost the plot and is taking the **** out of the fans…..

[ClaretAndJew]

Looks like whoever is running the clubs social media accounts has lost the plot and is taking the **** out of the fans…..

How so?

[RVclaret]

Looks like whoever is running the clubs social media accounts has lost the plot and is taking the **** out of the fans…..

Yeah baffled by their latest post.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks like whoever is running the clubs social media accounts has lost the plot and is taking the **** out of the fans…..

I’m assuming it’s setting up the Lennon resigning.

With the caption “wherehebelongs”

[ClaretInLeeds]

Thought it was “WhereWeBelong”

[randomclaret2]

A drawing of Bertie Bee ?

[claptrappers_union]

Why are they taking the ****? I don’t understand?

[Hedontplayforyou]

The new owners will have played a blinder if they land Cornet on the cheap, however if Inter are interested and it’s not just another hoax from Twitter then our race will be run.

I for one would love to see a signing like him arrive, along with another, be it Lennon or another. We have a big job on our hands to both rebuild the squad in the next 4-5 windows and survive this season. For whatever reason I am still confident that Alan Pace and co will pull something out of the hat this window .

[DCWat]

3 days left to sign someone if we want to put out a stronger team than at the end of last season. We’ve known the need areas for months and months. Did we need to leave it so late ? At the end of last season I don’t think many fans would have believed there would be no first team strengthening in time for this season’s ko.

That time has long gone. Even if we were to sign someone ahead of Saturday, there’s no chance that they’d start the game. I’d be surprised if they made the bench.

We obviously can make early signings, as we did with Collins. That only confirms (as we already know) that a lot of signings are far more difficult to make.

As a smaller club, we’ll always be less attractive whilst competing at this level. I’m sure that there are things that we can do to improve this (aside from simply money) but it’s not easy.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Completely baffled by that Instagram post. Why “every night before we sleep” and why “where we belong” and why Bertie bee in bed. Could it be dyche signing new contract, new signing or just a **** take. Anyway suggests something might happen...

[tiger76]

3 days left to sign someone if we want to put out a stronger team than at the end of last season. We’ve known the need areas for months and months. Did we need to leave it so late ? At the end of last season I don’t think many fans would have believed there would be no first team strengthening in time for this season’s ko.

3 weeks left in the window yet, and if you expected us to have new blood in the building by now then you clearly don't understand how we operate in the market, sure we'd all like to get signings in ASAP, but in reality that rarely happens for a club of our standing, and we'll need to bide our time, and wait until the final days of the window to see what drops our way once other clubs have conducted their business, it sucks but that's just the way life is for the smaller fish, and in PL terms we're a very small fish.

We've definitely strengthened the squad with the arrivals of Collins & Hennessey, who will hopefully prove more than capable deputies should they be required throughout the campaign, but it's a damn sight harder improving your first XI at this level when you have a limited budget.

[randomclaret2]

3 weeks left in the window yet, and if you expected us to have new blood in the building by now then you clearly don't understand how we operate in the market, sure we'd all like to get signings in ASAP, but in reality that rarely happens for a club of our standing, and we'll need to bide our time, and wait until the final days of the window to see what drops our way once other clubs have conducted their business, it sucks but that's just the way life is for the smaller fish, and in PL terms we're a very small fish.

We've definitely strengthened the squad with the arrivals of Collins & Hennessey, who will hopefully prove more than capable deputies should they be required throughout the campaign, but it's a damn sight harder improving your first XI at this level when you have a limited budget.

Im trying to remember the last time we signed anyone in the final days of a window

[MACCA]

Completely baffled by that Instagram post. Why “every night before we sleep” and why “where we belong” and why Bertie bee in bed. Could it be dyche signing new contract, new signing or just a **** take. Anyway suggests something might happen...

The announcement of a new partnership with silent night or Dreams would be funny...

[Newcastleclaret93]

3 weeks left in the window yet, and if you expected us to have new blood in the building by now then you clearly don't understand how we operate in the market, sure we'd all like to get signings in ASAP, but in reality that rarely happens for a club of our standing, and we'll need to bide our time, and wait until the final days of the window to see what drops our way once other clubs have conducted their business, it sucks but that's just the way life is for the smaller fish, and in PL terms we're a very small fish.

We've definitely strengthened the squad with the arrivals of Collins & Hennessey, who will hopefully prove more than capable deputies should they be required throughout the campaign, but it's a damn sight harder improving your first XI at this level when you have a limited budget.

To be fair tiger over the last 5 seasons we have only signed two players after the 20th August for the first team. Hendrick and Chris Wood.

Most of our signings in that time period took place towards the end of July / start of August. However I know the deadline day does change

[Spijed]

What happened with the supposed interest in Ainsley Maitland Niles?

[tiger76]

Im trying to remember the last time we signed anyone in the final days of a window

Brownhill in Jan 2020 arrived late in the window, but yes your correct there hasn't been many recently, however incomings haven't been needed as urgently as they are this time, so I've a feeling we will get at least 1 over the line, and hopefully 2, we don't need masses of incomings, just a couple of decent acquisitions who can either go straight into the first XI, or at the very least mount a claim for a starting berth.

[tiger76]

To be fair tiger over the last 5 seasons we have only signed two players after the 20th August for the first team. Hendrick and Chris Wood.

Most of our signings in that time period took place towards the end of July / start of August. However I know the deadline day does change

Yes but I'll wager our squad was stronger at those times, it's apparent to all and sundry that we need newbies to arrive sooner rather than later, otherwise we might as well prepare for life in the Championship unless we're extremely fortunate regarding injuries, and not strengthening is surely tempting fate to transpire against us, as it did back in 2015 when we didn't recruit in the Jan window, and then Dean Marney was crocked immediately after it slammed shut leaving us up the creek without a paddle.

What gives me slightly more optimism than normal is the amount of links that's happening with various players, whereas last summer I don't recall anywhere near this amount of conjecture about impending signings.

[tiger76]

What happened with the supposed interest in Ainsley Maitland Niles?

Mot a lot as far as I can see, Leicester and Saints also linked with him, so that one looks dead in the water I'm afraid, Leicester can offer him European football, and for someone of his calibre that has to be a big carrot.

[ksrclaret]

Maitland-Niles 'link' going nowhere. Probably never was similar to this Cornet rubbish that's been keeping a few occupied for weeks now.

Just go and get Christie from Celtic. Good player, available for an affordable price, what's not to like? Get it done.

[warksclaret]

If the new owners cared about the fans , and knowing the urgency to strengthen the first 11, you would have thought that some communication would be put out , just giving us a hint and some hope that they are trying to bring new faces in. For me silence right now signifies sweet FA is being done. It should not be left to SD to give us updates after a game, when all we here is the same few lines- I have seen too many windows where nothing progresses in the last 3 weeks, and this one appears to be going the same way. No doubt in September Mr Pace will remind us how tough the market is, and how outlandish agent's fees are

[Newty]

If the new owners cared about the fans , and knowing the urgency to strengthen the first 11, you would have thought that some communication would be put out , just giving us a hint and some hope that they are trying to bring new faces in. For me silence right now signifies sweet FA is being done. It should not be left to SD to give us updates after a game, when all we here is the same few lines- I have seen too many windows where nothing progresses in the last 3 weeks, and this one appears to be going the same way. No doubt in September Mr Pace will remind us how tough the market is, and how outlandish agent's fees are

Maybe they just don't expect us to be such a bunch of wetwipes?

[ClaretAL]

Maybe they just don't expect us to be such a bunch of wetwipes?

Agree or not agree is there any need mate?

[Rileybobs]

If the new owners cared about the fans , and knowing the urgency to strengthen the first 11, you would have thought that some communication would be put out , just giving us a hint and some hope that they are trying to bring new faces in. For me silence right now signifies sweet FA is being done. It should not be left to SD to give us updates after a game, when all we here is the same few lines- I have seen too many windows where nothing progresses in the last 3 weeks, and this one appears to be going the same way. No doubt in September Mr Pace will remind us how tough the market is, and how outlandish agent's fees are

Really? What exactly do you expect them to come out and say?

[warksclaret]

Having gone public to say they would be supporting SD, I would expect the owner to give us some hope and saying they are still on track before the window ends to strengthen the team. If the expected additions had happened by now there would be no need. Its called PR-Oh I just remembered. We have just sacked our long standing PR man of 15 years

[barracuda]

Nods, the price of £10m, or an initial £12.5 plus additional payments in the case of Collins, is a reflection of perceived potential.

If the player lives up to that potential they are worth what the club paid. Should they develop in line with the top end of their estimated potential their value could sky rocket. However, should they fail to develop to the expected standard they won't be worth the initial amount that the club paid, their value will fall significantly.

Spending £20m on two players because of their perceived potential would be a huge risk for a club like us, especially when we could buy slightly older players who have proven themselves at a good level for the same amount or talented young players for less money.

When I say young players I mean young foreign players. The foreign talent pool we can access has shrunk significantly because of Brexit ( no more looking in the second tier or lower leagues throughout Europe ), but I still think it is possible to pick out good players who could be available for a lot less than £10m a pop.

And no, I don't mean Arthur Gomes, who didn't strike me as having obvious PL or Championship potential from the short Youtube clips posted in the other thread. I can appreciate the idea of a player possessing untapped potential, learning their craft in the development squad or out on loan. Patiently waiting for the chance to move up to a new level of competition that will stimulate their development or allow them to encounter the right set of circumstances to unlock it.

That might be the case with Gomes, but I doubt it, He has had ample opportunity to showcase a higher level of performance in his two seasons with the Santos first team or during his two loan spells. In respect to the freely available statistical data, which everyone can look at, he has failed to " step up ".

He looks quick compared to the majority of our slow players, which is a relative assessment. I don't think he looks blisteringly quick though and I would put him in the same category as Vydra. His main talent seems to be dribbling at a reasonable pace, notching up progressive distance, before falling over or losing the ball. It is hard to judge his final delivery, because the clips didn't show much of it.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arthur- ... ewerb/BRA1

https://www.sofascore.com/player/arthur-gomes/822524

https://fbref.com/en/players/184ad240/Arthur

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/32940 ... thur-Gomes

£2m plus wages and sign on fees strikes me as a lot of money to pay for a left field punt. Like I said a few paragraphs ago, we should be looking to buy better for that amount of money or bump it up a bit to sign someone with better statistical attraction points. If the transfermrkt and sofascore data is in the right ball park ( and it might not be ) then the only position he has done reasonably okay in is as a central attacking midfield. His performances as a winger have been pretty poor, apart from his ball carrying.

Brian Ocampo strikes me as a much better option for a speculative investment, providing that his contract does end in December and it doesn't include any complicated wrinkles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DEZrnFusZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MGMbOblwPk

https://www.leftbackfootball.com/home/2 ... ant-winger

Channel 9 News Reporting

Vello, vello, rapido, regarde grabba da ball, Brian Ocampo, slinky pinky, Schorchio! ( mute helps )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leSWeb2OTjw

I'm sure Dyche can stamp out his desire to perform risky tricks that are best left on the training ground and focus his attention on the basics. Ronaldinho he isn't, but he strikes me as a better outside punt if we are looking at the South American continent.

Carlos Mane of relegated Rio Ave could be another good punt for a low price. He reputedly turned down the offer of a move to Kayserispor the other week, because they weren't prepared to meet his wage demands of £750K a year. I doubt that he will be relishing playing for Rio Ave after they suffered relegation, as a consequence of selling most of their best players on the back of a season where they qualified for Europe. Mane has done well to recover from the injury that he suffered at Stuttgart in early 2017, which kept him out of the game for nearly 2 years, and he still has quite a few years left in his football career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXnSM5eZlD8

30 minute interview - enable subtitles and then click on the cog to enable auto translate = English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCAlwtYoWV4

https://www.sofascore.com/player/carlos-mane/859748

In terms of youngsters, that I'm guessing we could pick up for far less than £10m, I listed a bunch of domestic and Nordic players earlier in this thread.

Then again, I don't think we are doing ourselves any big favours with all of our staff leaving. Hart wasn't a big loss and we should have shipped out Rigg two and a half years before we actually did. However, if long serving members of staff continue to leave at the current rate it won't be long before we have nobody left. Add in a manager who is in the last year of his contract and any players we approach might be questioning how stable we are.

It isn't a good impression to be sending out to players who might be considering a move and signing a multi-year contract. I don't think that it qualifies as a deck chairs on the Titanic presentation, but it does seem like a lot of people are jumping into or being pushed into the life boats.

On the outside looking in any potential new players could be asking the same question as some of us are, namely what exactly is going on at the club. We could find ourselves with more directors and associated investors ( none of whom seem to have any real money ) than backroom staff.

Still, we still have ages to go until the window SLAMS SHUT

Very much agree with a lot of that

[Rileybobs]

Having gone public to say they would be supporting SD, I would expect the owner to give us some hope and saying they are still on track before the window ends to strengthen the team. If the expected additions had happened by now there would be no need. Its called PR-Oh I just remembered. We have just sacked our long standing PR man of 15 years

It seems a bit needy wanting that kind of reassurance from the chairman during a transfer window. We know that the club are trying to get players in. To say we were on track would be lying, seeing as we have already failed to land a couple of targets. And what is the benefit of giving the supporters hope? All that is likely to achieve is further disappointment.

[willsclarets]

It seems on the surface to be very simple. We aren't prepared to change our wage structure to get players in. Which I completely understand, but the reality is to get transfers over the line for any decent Premier league player, you're competing against other teams willing to pay more money. Combined with the fact we're unlikely to be the stand out bidder in terms of transfer fee, you can see why we miss out constantly toward the end of negotiations. As a result, we're in a perpetual circle of risk-off monetarily, with a risk-on strategy of hoping Sean Dyche can do it again. It's a really hard balance, but sooner or later the decision will be made for us.

[superdimitri]

To be fair, pace himself explicitly mentioned he saw message board posts where fans were unhappy with the communication from the club. So you can't really blame someone wanting that.

Problem is, they probably don't have owt to say other than we're trying but it hasn't worked.. yet.

[Shaggy]

I don’t know why everyone is giving Pace a hard time. He’s just getting his feet under the table and it would appear that there is some funds to spend just that we haven’t got them over the line yet.

[joey13]

I don’t know why everyone is giving Pace a hard time. He’s just getting his feet under the table and it would appear that there is some funds to spend just that we haven’t got them over the line yet.

Does it take 8 months to get your feet under the table ?

[MACCA]

Does it take 8 months to get your feet under the table ?

It can take a hell of a long time to win over the inlaws...

[Blyclaret]

Lets not fool ourselves. We may have new owners … but nothing changes except the debt.
Pressure on to stay in premier league now big time.
Last minute.com…. Bargain basement stuff …. Is this what a take over meant all along.
We cannot compete at this level much longer. The team is stale … every one guaranteed their place….
Is this the year we will be found out?

[Blyclaret]

No flair … invention.
When was last time we scored from midfield.
Cork Westwood Brownhill Stephens wouldent score in a brothel.

[claretonthecoast1882]

No flair … invention.
When was last time we scored from midfield.
Cork Westwood Brownhill Stephens wouldent score in a brothel.

Taking all this into account at least you won't be whinging when we lose a game

[Bigvince]

When was last time we scored from midfield.

Four premier league games ago, in the win at Fulham. When Westwood scored one of the goals that kept us in the premier league for another season!

[Paddy1882]

No flair … invention.
When was last time we scored from midfield.
Cork Westwood Brownhill Stephens wouldent score in a brothel.

Westwood at Fulham and brownhill assisted wood for the other. That would be my midfield two all day long.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Four premier league games ago, in the win at Fulham. When Westwood scored one of the goals that kept us in the premier league for another season!

spoilsport he was just about to ask when was the last time we didn't get relegated and have a full meltdown

[Woodleyclaret]

We get our Premier league cash every year this will more than cover a couple of players and our outgoings

[Blyclaret]

Your papering over the cracks.

[ralph8]

Wondered whether Mr Pace might get blackballed by a couple of agents after his outburst regarding Agent behaviour at the last window.
Probably does need to keep a low profile.

[BurnleyFC]

The warning signs were there when Al mentioned about his worry of signing players who might get injured in one of his first interviews.

[AlargeClaret]

I don’t think anyone doubts we have the weakest and slowest midfield in the prem , Cork’s legs are gone , Westwood while a grafter and a worthy starter is never gonna create much , as for Brownhill he just screams championship . We’re literally desperate for a creative player and right sided quality. It’s a absolute disgrace the board haven’t addressed this

[The Enclosure]

Roll on Thursday.

[Chester Perry]

We get our Premier league cash every year this will more than cover a couple of players and our outgoings

I keep asking you to demonstrate that from the data provided by the accounts and you keep avoiding it but then restating your point as fact a few weeks later, without any actual evidence to back it up

[ClaretMov]

Lets not fool ourselves. We may have new owners … but nothing changes except the debt.
Pressure on to stay in premier league now big time.
Last minute.com…. Bargain basement stuff …. Is this what a take over meant all along.
We cannot compete at this level much longer. The team is stale … every one guaranteed their place….
Is this the year we will be found out?

YES

[Lancasterclaret]

I keep asking you to demonstrate that from the data provided by the accounts and you keep avoiding it but then restating your point as fact a few weeks later, without any actual evidence to back it up

There is a reason that some of us press for the accounting side to be including in the transfer rumours bit, because its absolutely vital to understanding where we are and what we can do