Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[ClaretMov]

I don’t know why everyone is giving Pace a hard time. He’s just getting his feet under the table and it would appear that there is some funds to spend just that we haven’t got them over the line yet.

How do you or anybody other than the club know we are even trying to get any more players in other than the two we have already brought in, these so called players we are trying to "get over the line" are just paper talk and rumours from shite web site's and twitter etc, nothing has come out from the club so it's all fake news to me, the two lads we have could be possibly all the club are going for.

[Spijed]

Wondered whether Mr Pace might get blackballed by a couple of agents after his outburst regarding Agent behaviour at the last window.
Probably does need to keep a low profile.

If we offer enough they won't care.

Money is the most important thing in life to many people, especially in football.

[ClaretMov]

I don’t know why everyone is giving Pace a hard time. He’s just getting his feet under the table and it would appear that there is some funds to spend just that we haven’t got them over the line yet.

Plus the two players we've got have cost us nothing both are covered by the the players out sales and the extra money the clubs coming back up from the championship brought in around 7 million, so Mr Pace has so far in two transfer windows has spent £0

[warksclaret]

I don’t think anyone doubts we have the weakest and slowest midfield in the prem , Cork’s legs are gone , Westwood while a grafter and a worthy starter is never gonna create much , as for Brownhill he just screams championship . We’re literally desperate for a creative player and right sided quality. It’s a absolute disgrace the board haven’t addressed this

For those that believe we will be fine this season with the midfield we have, I suspect that the home game v Brighton, whilst easy on paper, will provide a reality check. Then of course we go on a run of tough games.

[Chester Perry]

Plus the two players we've got have cost us nothing both are covered by the the players out sales and the extra money the clubs coming back up from the championship brought in around 7 million, so Mr Pace has so far in two transfer windows has spent £0

are you sure about all that

are you saying that before outgoing sales the club made a profit last season - I am not sure we did even with the sales that will be included in last seasons accounts - given we appear to have kept the end of July date for the accounting period

there is indeed a bonus to be had from unused parachute payments of the two promoted clubs (circa £80m - £90m over two years) but:
a - it is split evenly 20 ways
b - The Premier League have to stump up an extra £25m a year for the next four years to the grassroots game as a condition of the government letting them break competition law by rolling over the domestic TV deal
c - our club has just exited a 2 year period where it has lost £13.5m in tv revenues due to a TV rebate
d - the Premier League has lost £14om - £150m a year in this cycle on the budgeted Chinese TV deal that collapsed before lockdown 1 - the new 4 year deal that starts this season is likely to leave then £120m+ short this season, Up to this point these shortfalls have not been reflected in the central distribution, at some point they have to be accounted for

[claretonthecoast1882]

are you sure about all that

are you saying that before outgoing sales the club made a profit last season - I am not sure we did even with the sales that will be included in last seasons accounts - given we appear to have kept the end of July date for the accounting period

there is indeed a bonus to be had from unused parachute payments of the two promoted clubs (circa £80m - £90m over two years) but:
a - it is split evenly 20 ways
b - The Premier League have to stump up an extra £25m a year for the next four years to the grassroots game as a condition of the government letting them break competition law by rolling over the domestic TV deal
c - our club has just exited a 2 year period where it has lost £13.5m in tv revenues due to a TV rebate
d - the Premier League has lost £14om - £150m a year in this cycle on the budgeted Chinese TV deal that collapsed before lockdown 1 - the new 4 year deal that starts this season is likely to leave then £120m+ short this season, Up to this point these shortfalls have not been reflected in the central distribution, at some point they have to be accounted for

For some the only cost in football is a transfer fee, you don't actually pay for anything else. If they had a pub and it took 5k a week they would think they have 5k a spend on themselves.

[Chester Perry]

For some the only cost in football is a transfer fee, you don't actually pay for anything else. If they had a pub and it took 5k a week they would think they have 5k a spend on themselves.

indeed

[minnieclaret]

For those that believe we will be fine this season with the midfield we have, I suspect that the home game v Brighton, whilst easy on paper, will provide a reality check. Then of course we go on a run of tough games.

If you look at our recent home record against BHA it is not even easy on paper.

[Tall Paul]

How do you or anybody other than the club know we are even trying to get any more players in other than the two we have already brought in, these so called players we are trying to "get over the line" are just paper talk and rumours from shite web site's and twitter etc, nothing has come out from the club so it's all fake news to me, the two lads we have could be possibly all the club are going for.

SD has told us we're looking to bring in more players.

[ClaretMov]

For some the only cost in football is a transfer fee, you don't actually pay for anything else. If they had a pub and it took 5k a week they would think they have 5k a spend on themselves.

Don't be so insulting, I know exactly how a business works I put that simple example just to highlight we've spent nothing net on players this window, I'm fully aware there is loads of running cost and it's the same for every club but the money we keep taking out of the prem with the lowest running cost of wages etc of any club in the prem and the fact we have spent next to nothing in the time we've spent in the prem is embarrassing when you think this season is the season we need to freshen up this old paper thin squad, If one of Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, wood, Vydra or McNeil gets injured we are ****** never mind if it's two

[Lancasterclaret]

For some the only cost in football is a transfer fee, you don't actually pay for anything else. If they had a pub and it took 5k a week they would think they have 5k a spend on themselves.

Lots of people run businesses like that*

Well, when I say "run", I mean "run for a very short time"

[claretonthecoast1882]

Don't be so insulting, I know exactly how a business works I put that simple example just to highlight we've spent nothing net on players this window, I'm fully aware there is loads of running cost and it's the same for every club but the money we keep taking out of the prem with the lowest running cost of wages etc of any club in the prem and the fact we have spent next to nothing in the time we've spent in the prem is embarrassing when you think this season is the season we need to freshen up this old paper thin squad, If one of Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, wood, Vydra or McNeil gets injured we are ****** never mind if it's two

What is our wage bill ?

[ClaretMov]

What is our wage bill ?

Google it

[claretonthecoast1882]

Thought as much.

[Lancasterclaret]

Google it

It is very relevant to this discussion, so I think its fairly important to have an idea mate!

[tiger76]

For some the only cost in football is a transfer fee, you don't actually pay for anything else. If they had a pub and it took 5k a week they would think they have 5k a spend on themselves.

Precisely! and our biggest barrier in the market isn't normally the initial fees themselves, it's the prospect of paying out crazy wages, plus although we generally try and be cautious and insert relegation clauses, many players and particularly their agents won't be bound be these conditions, especially if they have other offers open to them, hence why we'll need to hold our nerve and hope we can pick up a couple of guys in the last week of the window.

But did anyone really think this wouldn't be the case, as difficult as it might be sadly that's just the reality of the market for clubs such as Burnley.

I find it amusing when posters write X player is only going for £15-20m, firstly I doubt we'll spend that on one player, and if we did what sorts of wages do people imagine he'd command, I'd gauge you'd be talking in the 50-60k a week as a ballpark figure, so over a year that would be circa £2.5m, now well we remain in the PL that isn't a huge amount, however should we experience relegation, and the said player is still on that money due to them refusing a relegation clause, you can easily see how many clubs rapidly run into trouble.

There seems to be a common misconception that just because we're in the PL that we have a barrowload of ready money, yes we get a fair chunk of telly money, but we also have plenty of outgoings to factor in, as running a sustainable PL club doesn't come cheap, and clearly COVID will have greatly impacted us more than the clubs which are bankrolled by rich owners who can absorb any losses.

[ClaretMov]

It is very relevant to this discussion, so I think its fairly important to have an idea mate!

I know exactly our wage bill is the 3rd lowest in the Prem....MATE so I have an idea of the running cost

[dibraidio]

Don't be so insulting, I know exactly how a business works I put that simple example just to highlight we've spent nothing net on players this window, I'm fully aware there is loads of running cost and it's the same for every club but the money we keep taking out of the prem with the lowest running cost of wages etc of any club in the prem and the fact we have spent next to nothing in the time we've spent in the prem is embarrassing when you think this season is the season we need to freshen up this old paper thin squad, If one of Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, wood, Vydra or McNeil gets injured we are ****** never mind if it's two

Burnley FC Holdings LTD declared profit before tax of £4000 in the 2020 accounts. The season before it was just under 5m. That's 5M profit from an income of 270m. The bastards are milking the club dry! The problem is that Sean Dyche has given bigger and bigger salaries to the same players because he believes in them leaving no money for transfers. Last season it was allegedly Garlick who was interested in Harry Wilson not Dyche. The much maligned chairman wanted to spend millions on an exciting young prospect and Dyche wanted to keep Lennon and Hendrick. Sean's objective is to get his bonus for keeping us up not to have us playing pretty football. He's risk averse. That's why he doesn't play youngsters unless he has no choice. That's why we don't trade players and that's why we don't bother about cup runs. Survival in the Premier League is the focus for all of our players and staff because that's what their bonuses are based on.

Last season, Burnley played 25 games with Nick Pope (above), Ben Mee and James Tarkowski all in the side and collected 37 points: upper-mid-table form. With one or more of that trio absent, the Clarets took just two points from 13 matches. That's why we signed Hennessey and Collins. The cover wasn't good enough. If Wood or Vydra gets injured we'll play JayRod or Barnes or a five man midfield. If McNeil gets injured we'll probably end up with Charlie Taylor or Pieters on the wing. We coped last season with no right winger. I agree that we could do with an extra body or two but if that turns out to be Lennon then that's because SD trusts him and thinks he can do a job.

[BurnleyFC]

Our wage bill is already too high, which makes signings like Lennon (if it does happen) even more ridiculous.

A complete waste of a wage, of which we’ve had far too many of recently.

[randomclaret2]

I wonder what the newer members of our " transfer committee " think about spending scarce resources on the likes of Lennon ?

[tiger76]

Our wage bill is already too high, which makes signings like Lennon (if it does happen) even more ridiculous.

A complete waste of a wage, of which we’ve had far too many of recently.

I agree our wage bill is frighteningly high, and I'd hoped that getting the likes of Brady off our books might allow us to free up funds for either transfers or wages for new signings, however I didn't expect us to be seriously considering signing a 34 year old who we released just over a year ago.

If we do go ahead with his signing, that allied to Stephens, is a amount we're shelling out for little or no return.

[Lancasterclaret]

I know exactly our wage bill is the 3rd lowest in the Prem....MATE so I have an idea of the running cost

Then you won't mind sharing our 2021-22 wage bill with the rest of us will you?

[Tall Paul]

I wonder what the newer members of our " transfer committee " think about spending scarce resources on the likes of Lennon ?

They probably think that if Lennon is who the manager wants, who are we to argue?

[randomclaret2]

They probably think that if Lennon is who the manager wants, who are we to argue?

Possibly, but that then rather negates the point of having a committee

[RicardoMontalban]

I know exactly our wage bill is the 3rd lowest in the Prem....MATE so I have an idea of the running cost

Following on from that, what is it as a proportion of our revenue?

[bfcjg]

Shows how dire the window is when we are just arguing about how go run a business.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Then you won't mind sharing our 2021-22 wage bill with the rest of us will you?

Them figures aren’t released till next year. However latest figures show they were 100m over a 13m period

[Newcastleclaret93]

Them figures aren’t released till next year. However latest figures show they were 100m over a 13month period

[Spijed]

For those that believe we will be fine this season with the midfield we have, I suspect that the home game v Brighton, whilst easy on paper, will provide a reality check. Then of course we go on a run of tough games.

So if we can't beat Brighton then do you think we are going to struggle to get points off anyone else?

[Lancasterclaret]

Them figures aren’t released till next year. However latest figures show they were 100m over a 13m period

No **** mate, which is why I know that ClaretMov can't possibly know

I think there is space in our budget for new players, both to buy and to fit the wages into our structure, but I don't know how much by, and no one on here does.

Its reassuring that we have links with a lot of players, but that they are still only links is a concern, and suggests that either we are not willing to pay the fees or wages required (perfectly understandable with long term financial planning) or that we just are not attractive enough to get players in

[jojomk1]

I don’t think anyone doubts we have the weakest and slowest midfield in the prem , Cork’s legs are gone , Westwood while a grafter and a worthy starter is never gonna create much , as for Brownhill he just screams championship . We’re literally desperate for a creative player and right sided quality. It’s a absolute disgrace the board haven’t addressed this

But does Dyche see the same problem in central midfield ?

Not seen much over several windows to suggest we have been looking for younger, pacy, creative options in this key area

Is it a question of "the board haven't addressed this" or that the manager does not see it as a problem ?

[ClaretMov]

"figures show they were 100m over a 13m period
No **** mate, which is why I know that ClaretMov can't possibly know"

I've never said I know what our wage bill will be for next season did I, The only figures we can all go off are from last season and those are the ones I'm talking about and are part of the running cost of Burnley football club on average with all the other cost including Police etc we are probably the cheapest club to run yet spend nothing, so something is wrong in the way we are run.

[IanMcL]

No news!

[ClaretMov]

No news!

Like The previous 7 or 8 windows

[warksclaret]

So if we can't beat Brighton then do you think we are going to struggle to get points off anyone else?

Without strengthening the starting 11 then YES, I do think we will struggle this year. As we are, we are easy to read and play against. I think we will struggle to break sides down, and I am intrigued to see how we fare against Brighton.For me, as we stand, this season will be our toughest test in the last 6 years

[ClaretAndJew]

No news is good news ain't it?

[Iloveyoubrady]

No news is good news ain't it?

Not really

[Spijed]

Without strengthening the starting 11 then YES, I do think we will struggle this year. As we are, we are easy to read and play against. I think we will struggle to break sides down, and I am intrigued to see how we fare against Brighton.For me, as we stand, this season will be our toughest test in the last 6 years

You do realise we have struggled badly in three out of the last five seasons don't you?

[Tall Paul]

Possibly, but that then rather negates the point of having a committee

Not really. The committee (if it exists) can recommend players to the manager and he may choose to act on those recommendations.

But does Dyche see the same problem in central midfield ?

Not seen much over several windows to suggest we have been looking for younger, pacy, creative options in this key area

Is it a question of "the board haven't addressed this" or that the manager does not see it as a problem ?

If the manager doesn't see it as a major problem perhaps it isn't. Who is more likely to be right? The manager with access to all the advanced statistics who sees them in training evry day and has kept us in the PL for 5 seasons or a few vocal "supporters" on a fan messageboard?

[randomclaret2]

Not really. The committee (if it exists) can recommend players to the manager and he may choose to act on those recommendations.



If the manager doesn't see it as a major problem perhaps it isn't. Who is more likely to be right? The manager with access to all the advanced statistics who sees them in training evry day and has kept us in the PL for 5 seasons or a few vocal "supporters" on a fan messageboard?

The committee was mentioned by Mr Pace, and I dont claim to know to know how it operates

[ksrclaret]

Someone please just make up a rumour or something.

[Elizabeth]

So if we can't beat Brighton then do you think we are going to struggle to get points off anyone else?

I think Brighton is the perfect fixture to give us an idea of how we might do this season. Especially as we have no injury problems other than to 2 squad players unlikely to feature much

[Bigvince]

Nixon for what it’s worth, has just answered a tweet about our transfer business, in french! Peu a Peu, little by little. Does that mean Cornet move could still be on?

[Spijed]

I think Brighton is the perfect fixture to give us an idea of how we might do this season. Especially as we have no injury problems other than to 2 squad players unlikely to feature much

I'll bet that if we were to replicate the 3-0 win against Southampton a couple of seasons ago no-one will be saying we are going to be heading for a European place.

It'll tell us very little.

[Elizabeth]

While I know what you mean, I don’t think many have concerns about getting into Europe or not

[TheFamilyCat]

"figures show they were 100m over a 13m period
No **** mate, which is why I know that ClaretMov can't possibly know"

I've never said I know what our wage bill will be for next season did I, The only figures we can all go off are from last season and those are the ones I'm talking about and are part of the running cost of Burnley football club on average with all the other cost including Police etc we are probably the cheapest club to run yet spend nothing, so something is wrong in the way we are run.

You've failed to factor in that we generate one of, if not the lowest income of all PL clubs.

[ClaretAndJew]

Nixon for what it’s worth, has just answered a tweet about our transfer business, in french! Peu a Peu, little by little. Does that mean Cornet move could still be on?

He's just singing Oasis songs en Francais

[Newcastleclaret93]

No **** mate, which is why I know that ClaretMov can't possibly know

I think there is space in our budget for new players, both to buy and to fit the wages into our structure, but I don't know how much by, and no one on here does.

Its reassuring that we have links with a lot of players, but that they are still only links is a concern, and suggests that either we are not willing to pay the fees or wages required (perfectly understandable with long term financial planning) or that we just are not attractive enough to get players in

Of course no one will no that information for sure apart from the owners etc…

Based on the wages we can see I think it’s difficult to see how we get in players without significantly dropping those wages over the coming years.

[ArmchairDetective]

He's just singing Oasis songs en Francais

Oasis - Gallagher - were signing Conor Gallagher!

Just speculation but might keep us entertained for a while.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The athletic are reporting that Leicester are keeping tabs on Tarks and will look at Cahill, Scott Dann as back up options