Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Paul Waine]

I've clearly just stated.

We don't have the staff and we're not organised to take in foreign talent. We've taken in foreign players who were already in the UK, or in Stephen Defour's case, an international player who has played in many countries already.

We're now looking to secure deals from young talent in the European market, a completely new territory for the club.

Other clubs have departments that take care of every aspect of the transition for their overseas talent, from helping them find houses, get their kids into schools, bringing their families over, learning English, permanent pitch-side translation staff, we don't have any of it.

Players expect 24/7 assistance with everything, and we're a long-way behind every club in the league.

Hi UpTheClarets. if you are in touch with the club can you let them know that I'll be happy to provide the overseas talent re-location and settling into Lancashire role. I've experience of working and living abroad myself. I know many of the challenges of re-locating to a new country and the importance of getting settled quickly for the individual and more so for their partner and children (if any).

Thinking about it a little more, there are already some guys at the club who also have experience of re-locating from one country to another, Alan Pace and his ALK colleagues have all done this a number of times. I'd expect that they've also got many contacts who've experience, as missionaries, living and working in countries where the primary language is not English. I'm sure the club can easily cover everything required to successfully settle "overseas talent."

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[alf_resco]

I think Leeds rated Cornet at around £6 million and dropped out very early on.

Thought it would have been 99 at least.
Plus a few sprinkles.

[Paul Waine]

What’s a “hard Brexit dressing room”?

I'd guess it's one where none of the squad come from countries in the EU. So, no Irish lads, no Vyds, no JBG (Iceland is Schengen).

[superdimitri]

If its true then it just shows how much of a joke the clubs ownership was beforehand if the likes of Brentford, Watford, Brighton, Sheffield United can set-up these recruitment strategies when we haven't despite spending longer in the Premier League. It certainly paints a picture with the outgoings, and ties in a lot with Pace recently saying he hasn't been happy with developments taking so long.

There's clearly a lot that needs changing at the club in the long term, I suspect the points outlined about foreign recruitment is just one of many ways we're so behind.

[Vegas Claret]

I fail to understand how are scouting is so abject after all these years in the top two divisions. The reliance on British players is embarrassing considering the level of football we are playing at.

[superdimitri]

I fail to understand how are scouting is so abject after all these years in the top two divisions. The reliance on British players is embarrassing considering the level of football we are playing at.

It is, but at least the recent posts aren't really about the scouting but more about helping foreign players fit in. If Cornet came who's he going fit in with in our team? No one speaks French, and our foreign players are either Irish and or have spent more time playing outside their country than there own.

But we have to start somewhere. We won't sign him unless we think he'll fit in but if we don't sign him we'll always be in a situation where other players look at us and wonder how they will fit in if no other foreign players did.

[CFS]

Ain't no quality player coming here to run all week in training and get 'dyche fit' and to go on matchday sitting behind him getting a neck ache finding the ball in the air.

[BenWickes]

While I understand the feelings as to why we've not plundered the overseas markets long before now. It's incorrect to say we don't have any French speaking players. I'd be somewhat worried if Gomez Mancini isn't fluent in French seeing as he is French and he is in and around the first team squad. Pieters will have at least some knowledge of the language as he has spent time on loan at Amiens.
So in a worst case scenario he has two players who can translate while he's learning the lingo.
I'd be surprised if there aren't a few more players who don't have at least a basic grasp of French.

[Woodleyclaret]

Erik is Dutch, he probably is fluent in many languages as is common amongst Dutch players.But we have been paper talk linked to Doig and Christie who are available very cheap but I assume they will also turn out to be just a story with no happy ending
Our a ability to sign first team players is a worry.

[Woodleyclaret]

Erik is Dutch, he probably is fluent in many languages as is common amongst Dutch players.But we have been paper talk linked to Doig and Christie who are available very cheap but I assume they will also turn out to be just a story with no happy ending
Our a ability to sign first team players is a worry.

[jojomk1]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... ha-berlin/

[CharlieinNewMexico]

While I understand the feelings as to why we've not plundered the overseas markets long before now. It's incorrect to say we don't have any French speaking players. I'd be somewhat worried if Gomez Mancini isn't fluent in French seeing as he is French and he is in and around the first team squad. Pieters will have at least some knowledge of the language as he has spent time on loan at Amiens.
So in a worst case scenario he has two players who can translate while he's learning the lingo.
I'd be surprised if there aren't a few more players who don't have at least a basic grasp of French.

I can’t even understand Ashley Barnes’ English

[superdimitri]

Its pretty rare for a Dutchman to also speak French. Usually its German, Dutch and English. Of course some people are better than others. No idea with Pieters. As for Mancini, he never even plays in our team...and will be with the first team squad even less if we make more signings.

[NewClaret]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... ha-berlin/

Seems more realistic in terms of the fee offered. Imagine the French reporting will be the absolute maximum figures - including all the various add-ons. Given the risks involved, I’d feel more comfortable if the fee were in the £12m region.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The one concerning aspect of our business is that we don’t seem to be linked to anyone but Cornet.

I was expecting another 2-3 signings at the very minimum.

1 x RM, 1 x LM and a CM.

Would everyone be happy with bringing in just one RM?

[Paul Waine]

Its pretty rare for a Dutchman to also speak French. Usually its German, Dutch and English. Of course some people are better than others. No idea with Pieters. As for Mancini, he never even plays in our team...and will be with the first team squad even less if we make more signings.

Hi superd, I lived in Holland some years ago. There are many Dutch who are fluent in multiple languages, the ability to speak French is very common. Don't forget that their neighbours in Belgium speak Flemish, which is a version of Dutch, and French.

I'm sure there will be no problems integrating and making welcome a French speaking Ivorian footballer into the Burnley team. I'm confident Alan Pace and his ALK colleagues have all the knowledge and experience they need to make it a success.

C'est très excitant!

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[superdimitri]

Hi superd, I lived in Holland some years ago. There are many Dutch who are fluent in multiple languages, the ability to speak French is very common. Don't forget that their neighbours in Belgium speak Flemish, which is a version of Dutch, and French.

I'm sure there will be no problems integrating and making welcome a French speaking Ivorian footballer into the Burnley team. I'm confident Alan Pace and his ALK colleagues have all the knowledge and experience they need to make it a success.

C'est très excitant!

UTC

Hey Paul. I too used to live in Holland and agree with what you're saying but still retain my opinion that most, if they are multi lingual do not speak French. And I share this opinion being friends with a language teacher there that can speak 8 languages.

Out of interest where did you live? I lived in Amsterdam and later in Leiden.

I think Cornet could settle with some effort and kindness on our part, I was just highlighting that it's pretty bad we don't have the same plans for helping players relocate as other clubs do. Especially if you're comparing clubs who don't regularly perform better than we do.

Let's put it this way, if I were in Cornets boots, I, like him would be concerned about coming to Burnley and would certainly prefer Berlin. Much easier to make friends, the club has a wider variety of nationals and they reside in a very big city.

If we have no means to help players settle in it's just another box we can't tick for incoming players and unacceptable given our time in the premier league.

[ClaretAndJew]

Leeds still interested in Cornet apparently.

Not sure how credible this website is though.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/leeds-lea ... et-burnley

[superdimitri]

Leeds still interested in Cornet apparently.

Not sure how credible this website is though.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/leeds-lea ... et-burnley

It's nothing new. They were linked with him a while back and now that's been mentioned in an article the new recycled stories are mentioning they are interested.

[Bucks_Claret]

The one concerning aspect of our business is that we don’t seem to be linked to anyone but Cornet.

I was expecting another 2-3 signings at the very minimum.

1 x RM, 1 x LM and a CM.

Would everyone be happy with bringing in just one RM?

No. Signing Cornet (predominantly a LWB rather than a RM/RW) will not solve the problems that we are facing, and that were on clear display in the second half vs Brighton.

Whilst Cornet would provide a valuable option in wide areas and also competition for left back if needs be, we need someone in the middle that can reduce the gap between midfield and attack, that can carry the ball - and create from central areas. We've needed this for 3 seasons! Cork not good enough for the fast paced Premier League.

A Striker would also be nice, Barnes and JayRod not up to scratch and no longer provide a threat in any capacity.

Would Cork, Barnes or JayRod make it into any other Prem team?

[NewClaret]

The one concerning aspect of our business is that we don’t seem to be linked to anyone but Cornet.

I was expecting another 2-3 signings at the very minimum.

1 x RM, 1 x LM and a CM.

Would everyone be happy with bringing in just one RM?

Depends on the quality, I think. I want quality over quantity.

I still think this summer will throw out some shocks, even if it’s just the positions we’re looking to recruit.

[dibraidio]

Its pretty rare for a Dutchman to also speak French. Usually its German, Dutch and English. Of course some people are better than others. No idea with Pieters. As for Mancini, he never even plays in our team...and will be with the first team squad even less if we make more signings.

I Work in a European client centre in France. We get dutch visitors all the time and a large number of them speak good French as well as brilliant English. Same goes for the Germans. Their language teaching is much better than ours.

Judging by this interview Erik Pieter's french is basic, he might understand a few words but if he's being spoken to in English it means he's not fluent as the French are as lazy as the English when it comes to languages, if they could have done this basic game in French they would have done.

https://actu.orange.fr/societe/videos/f ... dMJ0E.html

[RVclaret]

The one concerning aspect of our business is that we don’t seem to be linked to anyone but Cornet.

I was expecting another 2-3 signings at the very minimum.

1 x RM, 1 x LM and a CM.

Would everyone be happy with bringing in just one RM?

No, two wingers for me. I’d like a CM as well but I think with 4 already at the club plus Gomez Mancini it’s highly unlikely this window. For an ‘upgraded’ centre mid you are looking at another £10-15m which we simply can’t do (unless we sell someone).

[dibraidio]

An unlikely link but Burnley are mentioned in this article about 19 year old right back Brandon Soppy.
https://www.butfootballclub.fr/losc/mer ... sio-664331
I don't think Burnley would meet their 5.5 million price tag but apparently we're prepared to offer him a deal next summer if he lets his contract run down.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No, two wingers for me. I’d like a CM as well but I think with 4 already at the club plus Gomez Mancini it’s highly unlikely this window. For an ‘upgraded’ centre mid you are looking at another £10-15m which we simply can’t do (unless we sell someone).

Yes that’s a fair comment.

If I’m honest I would prefer a CM over another LM. Think Pieters could cover there

[Hedontplayforyou]

We need 2 wingers and a central midfield player.

A scenario that would have suited us down to the ground would have been 1 winger and Maitland-Niles.

With Maitland-Niles able to play both centrally and out wide that would have given us time to find our other targets in a later window whilst giving us more options.

I do think we are in for more than just Cornet, you only have to read recent interviews to see that. Hopefully a surprise or two to come in the coming weeks

[Iloveyoubrady]

I hope cornet comes off. I know a lot of Lyon fans give him a hard time but they judge him as a left back and also seem to give all of their players a lot of ****. I read some comments about wanting cornet sold, but then their other left back is much worse...???
He’s only 24 and has scored roughly 5 a season in Ligue 1. He’s experienced considering his age and has played at the very highest level in the champions league. He was also considered a wonderkid at junior levels playing for France all the way through until u21. So he’s clearly a talented player.
He also fits in well with what we need, as he’s clearly rapid and a direct winger, but is also well regarded as being a hard worker, puts defensive shift in and apparently has excellent stamina.

I hope it comes off but we will also need another (cheaper/loan) for the squad.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Hi UpTheClarets. if you are in touch with the club can you let them know that I'll be happy to provide the overseas talent re-location and settling into Lancashire role. I've experience of working and living abroad myself. I know many of the challenges of re-locating to a new country and the importance of getting settled quickly for the individual and more so for their partner and children (if any).

Thinking about it a little more, there are already some guys at the club who also have experience of re-locating from one country to another, Alan Pace and his ALK colleagues have all done this a number of times. I'd expect that they've also got many contacts who've experience, as missionaries, living and working in countries where the primary language is not English. I'm sure the club can easily cover everything required to successfully settle "overseas talent."

UTC

Completely missed the point.

It's not about whether they can or can't do it. It's that other clubs can clearly do it better than we can.

Why would someone choose Burnley if there's another club who can do all but wipe their arse for them?

They wouldn't. Unless we're the only option, or we're offering a lot more in wages.

[Murger]

Why would any creative player want to come here? They'll take 1 look at the way we set up and think 'nah, you're reyt'.

[martin_p]

Why would any creative player want to come here? They'll take 1 look at the way we set up and think 'nah, you're reyt'.

Or think that the lack of competition guarantees them a start pretty much every game.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Why would any creative player want to come here? They'll take 1 look at the way we set up and think 'nah, you're reyt'.

Money £€$

[Jakubs Tash]

Why would any creative player want to come here? They'll take 1 look at the way we set up and think 'nah, you're reyt'.

But the only way we can evolve a little is by recruiting a couple of creative types to give us more options. I'm sure creative players also get fed up playing in a team that is pleasing on the eye but soft at the back.

[Jakubclaret]

Or think that the lack of competition guarantees them a start pretty much every game.

But if that said player was anywhere near half decent we wouldn’t be his only option, i agree with what you’ve said it’d only apply to unwanted fringe players only, other clubs wouldn’t be taking any interest in.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why would any creative player want to come here? They'll take 1 look at the way we set up and think 'nah, you're reyt'.

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Ironic you'd say that....

[Hedontplayforyou]

What a player.

[Woodleyclaret]

Short time here, but one of the best to wear the shirt I've seen

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We need someone of that calibre and quickly!

If Cornet is a left back can we assume Charlies place in the team is up for grabs?

[Iloveyoubrady]

We need someone of that calibre and quickly!

If Cornet is a left back can we assume Charlies place in the team is up for grabs?

No. Cornet will almost certainly play on the wing. His left back position for Lyon is much like our wingers position. He has also played right wing very well - apparently his best position.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sky sports reporting our interest in Cornet saying we are trying to snap up the signing by the end of the window.

I suspect this will go down right to the wire.

Let’s hope there’s two or three more getting done

[Spijed]

Let’s hope there’s two or three more getting done

I doubt SD would be even considering getting up to four players in this window.

[ksrclaret]

I doubt SD would be even considering getting up to four players in this window.

Why not?

[warksclaret]

Sky sports reporting our interest in Cornet saying we are trying to snap up the signing by the end of the window.

I suspect this will go down right to the wire.

Let’s hope there’s two or three more getting done

Looks like he is our main target. Lets hope there's a plan B for a similar type of player,and we utilise it if its a NO for Cornet

[ClaretAndJew]

Looks like he is our main target. Lets hope there's a plan B for a similar type of player,and we utilise it if its a NO for Cornet

Lennon is probably plan B

[wickdkewlclaret]

Sky Sports mentioned before Burnley have placed a £12m bid for Cornet this morning.

[claretblue]

Why not?

cos he's the Burnley manager!

[Jakubs Tash]

We need someone of that calibre and quickly!

If Cornet is a left back can we assume Charlies place in the team is up for grabs?

I think calling Cornet a full back is a bit like calling Pieters a winger. Maybe the promise of being played as a winger is appealing to him...

[randomclaret2]

Just reading up on Cornet's career, he has no fewer than 52 appearances for the French national sides at age groups under 16 to Under 21.

[Burnley Ace]

This is on Sky app

Burnley have now made an offer to Lyon for winger Maxwel Cornet, thought to be around £12m, as Sean Dyche looks to add a winger to his squad before deadline day.

The 24-year-old has attracted interest from Bundesliga clubs but Burnley have been tracking the player for a while.

We’ve been told Burnley have not made an official offer at this stage but have a strong interest in the Ivory Coast international.


So have we made a bid or not??

[Woodleyclaret]

This pratting about is annoying. Other clubs bid and sign within days.
We dont want this dragging out for 2 more weeks then told we missed our targets as we got told under Garlick.

[Lancasterclaret]

This pratting about is annoying. Other clubs bid and sign within days.
We dont want this dragging out for 2 more weeks then told we missed our targets as we got told under Garlick.

Other clubs have differing ways of doing it I suspect

I think more and more its about which agents you know, and what contacts you have, and what you are prepared to offer them, and I think we are still struggling with this unfortunately.