Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[kentonclaret]

If we fail to strengthen the first team squad and suffer a few injuries early in the season some fans will be quick to post that we have been "unlucky with injuries".

That of course will not be the case but just one of the consequences that can occur when a squad is pared down to the bone.

[Iloveyoubrady]

If we don’t get anyone it will be an absolute joke and we’ll have secured relegation by November.

[Chester Perry]

If we don’t get anyone it will be an absolute joke and we’ll have secured relegation by November.

technically impossible with around two thirds of the season left - though I acknowledge trends can be firmly set in place by then

- Our current management team and players are well versed in digging themselves out of long runs of poor points tallies to find a way to go on points accumulation runs

[SonofPog]

Since 2016/17 there has been a rapid decline in our recruitment in terms of signings that will improve our 1st eleven.

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There is a worrying downward trend in terms of numbers and quality that i'm at a loss to understand. Surely the more seasons we stay in the prem, should allow us to be a bit more flexible in terms of wages? Otherwise what is the point? other than just treading water waiting for the inevitable.

Back then our wage bill was much much lower, this meant we actually made a healthy profit. This allowed us to buy players for 10 / 15 million. Since then. Our wage bill has shot up. We have less profit, less disposable income and way less flexibility in our wage structure.

Yes, it kept us up... But, like you say. No we're just "trending water" now. With an aging squad, players that are on "relatively" high wages, most that have no real sell on fee.

Any "football Manager" knows you move a player on once they start demanding that big contact. Simple really, don't know why Dyche hasn't done it.

[Dark Cloud]

technically impossible with around two thirds of the season left - though I acknowledge trends can be firmly set in place by then

- Our current management team and players are well versed in digging themselves out of long runs of poor points tallies to find a way to go on points accumulation runs

Good home form is imperative for teams in our position and ours imploded last season and we failed at the first hurdle again this season. Without additions I can't see that trend reversing and no matter how adept we've become at digging ourselves out of holes, you can only get away with it for so long.

[jackmiggins]

Failing two or three signings will be unforgiveable. We are running on empty from what I've seen in the past six months.

[Jakubs Tash]

It's frustrating that we can't find the extra couple of million to make it happen sooner but it doesn't sound like Hertha are going to match our offer for Cornet and the noises are that Lyon need to sell.

We clearly have money but don't have millions upon millions to throw at it and adding an extra £3m to the Cornet deal might be possible but may mean a deal for another target is financially affected.

[Chester Perry]

It's frustrating that we can't find the extra couple of million to make it happen sooner but it doesn't sound like Hertha are going to match our offer for Cornet and the noises are that Lyon need to sell.

We clearly have money but don't have millions upon millions to throw at it and adding an extra £3m to the Cornet deal might be possible but may mean a deal for another target is financially affected.

a couple of £m more than we believe should or want to spend on a transaction is a bad habit to get into, it will impact on future negotiations, as well as lead to fiscal problems down the line. We had strong fiscal discipline under the previous regime in this area (whatever some thought) and it was widely admired, that included the new owners, they will recognise that is something they need to retain.

[claretonthecoast1882]

a couple of £m more than we believe should or want to spend on a transaction is a bad habit to get into, it will impact on future negotiations, as well as lead to fiscal problems down the line. We had strong fiscal discipline under the previous regime in this area (whatever some thought) and it was widely admired, that included the new owners, they will recognise that is something they need to retain.

Everything from matchday programmes, matchday tickets, season tickets, cup games, pre season friendlies, screening of games and don't forget the hilarious (never boring) twix price, they all go up a little in price there are a string of complaints followed by if they want 2million more just pay it.

[randomclaret2]

a couple of £m more than we believe should or want to spend on a transaction is a bad habit to get into, it will impact on future negotiations, as well as lead to fiscal problems down the line. We had strong fiscal discipline under the previous regime in this area (whatever some thought) and it was widely admired, that included the new owners, they will recognise that is something they need to retain.

What will certainly lead to fiscal problems on an altogether larger scale would be relegation

[superdimitri]

So the penny pinching continues. A downward trend. If we had coughed up enough money the past couple of seasons we could have finished higher and got even more prize money with a stronger squad.

[jackmiggins]

Unbelievable that we're talking millions - Think Peter Noble was £40k? It's reached the stage where I really can't be bothered if multi millionaires have lost a match without even raising a sweat!

[Boss Hogg]

I find it’s best to skip every couple of pages. You don’t miss any transfer news and save time avoiding loads of bickering and non transfer news. Aside from this not sure why people are moaning about the lack of activity when we’ve got some brand new lighting and signage to look at.

[Chester Perry]

What will certainly lead to fiscal problems on an altogether larger scale would be relegation

depends how it is managed - Norwich currently have a strategy based on being in the top 25 clubs in the country which acknowledges their limitations but also allows for not collapsing upon relegation and being in a strong position to immediately fight for promotion again - it does not stop them being innovative, creative and forward thinking - I would actually say it forces them to try and be at the forefront of that. You can see that being part of the plan at our club under the previous and current regime, just that in a number of ways Norwich are further down the road with it even though their Director of Football was appointed after we appointed Mike Rigg with a view of wanting to be something similar.

The difference at Norwich is that the whole club is aligned behind the Football Director (which includes the manager) whereas ours appeared to split in two as the manager appeared not to like what he was seeing.

I will say that I have often said that Dyche is more like Ferguson at Manchester United who while being manager spent a lot of his time acting like a Sporting/Football Director - Ferguson did refresh his coaching staff from outside though, bringing in approaches that were different to what the club was accustomed too - was that because of the number of overseas players he brought in? possibly.

[Paul Waine]

So the penny pinching continues. A downward trend. If we had coughed up enough money the past couple of seasons we could have finished higher and got even more prize money with a stronger squad.

Do you call £12 million on Nathan Collins "penny pinching?" I don't think we could call it penny pinching if NC was going to be a starter every week. never mind one of the "first reserves" for the defence.

It's always a lot easier spending the club's money if you aren't responsible for ensuring there's always a good outcome from the spending.

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[NewClaret]

Nixon suggesting we'll take it down to the wire to force Lyon's hand in accepting our offer, or go for a cheaper option. Meltdown imminent.

Funny that yesterday he was saying that we were trying hard and Lyon may help make the deal happen. Today Dyche says that nothing is imminent and he changes his tune to suggest we’ll hold out to save £1m

Bloke has not got a clue.

Still not convinced he’s even a target.

[Grumps]

Funny that yesterday he was saying that we were trying hard and Lyon may help make the deal happen. Today Dyche says that nothing is imminent and he changes his tune to suggest we’ll hold out to save £1m

Bloke has not got a clue.

Still not convinced he’s even a target.

Dyche isn't well known for being entirely truthful in his press conferences, I would take what he's said with a massive pinch of salt.

[buzzclarets79]

Refuse to accept that there’s not a number of players available in the football league, and in the U23 and U21 teams of premier league clubs that wouldn’t want to join us, and affordable.
Telling me in all the clubs in this country there’s not one right winger that is suitable and affordable?

[summitclaret]

Even I'll be somewhat disappointed if Lennon is our only signing for the first team.

He's not even that.

[NewClaret]

Dyche isn't well known for being entirely truthful in his press conferences, I would take what he's said with a massive pinch of salt.

Completely agree Grumps.

Today was basically posturing.

[Lancasterclaret]

I really think people need just to hold fire till the end of the window

Does anyone still think we've no money to spend?

I mean, no one does anymore?

Right?

I'm concerned up to a point, but a lot of that is worrying about something I can't control and I'm still as hopeful as I can be that we'll come out of this window stronger than when we went in

[Shaggy]

We have to sign at least a couple of first team players this summer window and by that I mean players who are better than what we already have, Anything less would be another abject failure than no one can justify. We’ve been flogging the same horse for too long now.

[randomclaret2]

Do you call £12 million on Nathan Collins "penny pinching?" I don't think we could call it penny pinching if NC was going to be a starter every week. never mind one of the "first reserves" for the defence.

It's always a lot easier spending the club's money if you aren't responsible for ensuring there's always a good outcome from the spending.

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Dont forget the £10m brought in from the sales of Gibson, Benson and Dunne

[superdimitri]

Do you call £12 million on Nathan Collins "penny pinching?" I don't think we could call it penny pinching if NC was going to be a starter every week. never mind one of the "first reserves" for the defence.

It's always a lot easier spending the club's money if you aren't responsible for ensuring there's always a good outcome from the spending.

UTC

Hi Paul.
Yes I do consider it penny pinching when we won't cough up 2 more million to make a deal happen. In today's game, its nothing. We didn't cough up the 15m Stoke wanted for Collins either, so we put ourselves in the unfortunate position of being rejected by the selling club. We've seen it happen a few times over the past few years.

[Wokingclaret]

What I took from the presser today

"Usually, somewhere along the line you have to pay the money that people want and then you get who you want, if you don't pay the money you don't get the players."

Summs it up over to you Pace and Co

[Paul Waine]

Dont forget the £10m brought in from the sales of Gibson, Benson and Dunne

What has the £8 million (as reported) for Gibson got to do with anything? All that does is help towards offsetting some of the money paid out when he joined us and some of the wages that the club paid while he wasn't available for selection.

Not forgetting that the deal to sell Gibson was done 12 months ago, conditional on Norwich gaining promotion.

[Paul Waine]

Hi Paul.
Yes I do consider it penny pinching when we won't cough up 2 more million to make a deal happen. In today's game, its nothing. We didn't cough up the 15m Stoke wanted for Collins either, so we put ourselves in the unfortunate position of being rejected by the selling club. We've seen it happen a few times over the past few years.

So, superd, if it's "only pennies" how much will you put into the pot to make it happen? Should we all have a "whip round" at the next home game? Let's say there are 10,000 adults on the ground. How much is £2,000,000 split between 10,000? Are we all ready to chip in £200? Would it be "penny pinching" if anyone isn't ready to do that?

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[Chester Perry]

What has the £8 million (as reported) for Gibson got to do with anything? All that does is help towards offsetting some of the money paid out when he joined us and some of the wages that the club paid while he wasn't available for selection.

Not forgetting that the deal to sell Gibson was done 12 months ago, conditional on Norwich gaining promotion.

or that the best we can hope from the sales of Gibson, Dunne and Benson is that it has offset some or all the financial losses we likely experienced last season

[Spijed]

One reason why we don't want to pay the extra 2 million?

[Paul Waine]

or that the best we can hope from the sales of Gibson, Dunne and Benson is that it has offset some or all the financial losses we likely experienced last season

Hi CP, agree.

I'm unable to edit my post above. So, I'll add here for those who think £2 million is "penny pinching."

What were all the posts on here about £50 for ticket in Bob Lord? I don't recall superdimitri or others saying the price wasn't high enough. Similarly, I don't recall many posts about ST prices should be higher - so that the club has got the "extra" £2 million, or so to spend on incoming transfers...

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[Woodleyclaret]

I am old enough to remember the days of pre game collections to buy a player
The fans chipped in but we still lost out to another team.
I still feel we will sign no players but also we wont loose any and also we will stay up.
The key to the last bit is Sean staying
If feels hes been backed by Alan as promised and just unlucky in bids he will stay otherwise I feel he will walk away.

[Wokingclaret]

"The key to the last bit is Sean staying"

in other word working Miracles!

[bfcjg]

132 pages, one player in for money, masses of crappy jokes,disappointment, despair false dawns, it's like groundhog day.

[kentonclaret]

132 pages, one player in for money, masses of crappy jokes,disappointment, despair false dawns, it's like groundhog day.

No changes there then

[NickBFC]

132 pages, one player in for money, masses of crappy jokes,disappointment, despair false dawns, it's like groundhog day.

It is - apart from we have actually paid for someone this window

[joey13]

O’Brien , Huddersfield to Weeds ,fee agreed but can’t agree on structure of deal

[Jakubclaret]

What has the £8 million (as reported) for Gibson got to do with anything? All that does is help towards offsetting some of the money paid out when he joined us and some of the wages that the club paid while he wasn't available for selection.

Not forgetting that the deal to sell Gibson was done 12 months ago, conditional on Norwich gaining promotion.

Didn’t Norwich take him on loan initially before buying him, Gibson left with permission from the club there’s no way the club would agreed to that whilst continuing to pay him.

[DCWat]

132 pages, one player in for money, masses of crappy jokes,disappointment, despair false dawns, it's like groundhog day.

There does feel to be an element of Groundhog Day about things, but as I think I said way back on this thread, it’s a different regime and so it’s not fair to judge them as we might have done the previous, at this stage of the window.

Everyone, be that supporters, management or board, would all like to see players brought in at the beginning of the window. Unfortunately, it’s just not that easy for us when we can’t throw money at it as others might.

The only reasonable way to judge the new board, for this window at least, is when it closes.

We’ve not long to wait - it’ll be carnage on here if there aren’t a couple of decent incomings. Hopefully it proves to be a little more positive and we can praise rather than criticise.

[randomclaret2]

What has the £8 million (as reported) for Gibson got to do with anything? All that does is help towards offsetting some of the money paid out when he joined us and some of the wages that the club paid while he wasn't available for selection.

Not forgetting that the deal to sell Gibson was done 12 months ago, conditional on Norwich gaining promotion.

As you flagged up that the club have shelled out £12m on Collins ( as reported ), I felt it was only right to mention that they have also sold players this window for some £10m ( as reported ) making the new regime's nett transfer spend thus far as they approach the end of their second window some £2m

[Raconteur]

Is there any truth in the Brownhill rumours. I know he is highly rated and I know West Ham wanted him when he signed for us. Now Leeds, Villa. Any truth or just paper talk. It's just that the Leeds link is all over the place

[BabylonClaret]

So, superd, if it's "only pennies" how much will you put into the pot to make it happen? Should we all have a "whip round" at the next home game? Let's say there are 10,000 adults on the ground. How much is £2,000,000 split between 10,000? Are we all ready to chip in £200? Would it be "penny pinching" if anyone isn't ready to do that?

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As much as I agree it's not quite as simple ple as si.lky stu.oing up its not really fair to challenge a fan to stump up 200 quid when our owners haven't necessarily put up their own cash either. Fair enough if they have but we've managed by frugly handling the incoming 120m per season from sky

[Paul Waine]

Didn’t Norwich take him on loan initially before buying him, Gibson left with permission from the club there’s no way the club would agreed to that whilst continuing to pay him.

Loan with agreement to buy, conditional on them getting promoted was how it was reported when the loan was agreed/12 months ago.

The club kept paying Gibson's wages even when he was back training at M'boro. If BFC had stopped paying him I believe he could walk away on a free.

[martin_p]

One reason why we don't want to pay the extra 2 million?

If Nixon agrees with ‘we’re nervous about upping the offer before personal terms are agreed’ then he knows even less than I thought! What exactly would be the problem with offering a full amount before personal terms are agreed, it’s not like we’d be paying it if they weren’t!

I suspect it’s more a case of waiting (hoping) for Lyon to crumble. If some of the things that have been reported about them having lined up a replacement, the manager criticising his effort, him wanting to play in the premier league are true then there’s a risk that Lyon end up with a player they don’t want at the end of the window.

[warksclaret]

Is there any truth in the Brownhill rumours. I know he is highly rated and I know West Ham wanted him when he signed for us. Now Leeds, Villa. Any truth or just paper talk. It's just that the Leeds link is all over the place

Wouldn't read too much into it,as they got their real target O Brien today from Huddersfield

[frankinwales]

Sounds like a poker game to me, who blinks first..

Chester on the money tree has mentioned the poor state of the finances in French football, they probably need the money really badly, do we need the player as badly.?

I do hope that we have other options as well, could go right down to the wire.



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[Tall Paul]

If Nixon agrees with ‘we’re nervous about upping the offer before personal terms are agreed’ then he knows even less than I thought! What exactly would be the problem with offering a full amount before personal terms are agreed, it’s not like we’d be paying it if they weren’t!

I suspect it’s more a case of waiting (hoping) for Lyon to crumble. If some of the things that have been reported about them having lined up a replacement, the manager criticising his effort, him wanting to play in the premier league are true then there’s a risk that Lyon end up with a player they don’t want at the end of the window.

I think he's saying that it's understandable that Lyon aren't happy about the £2m being contingent on our staying in the PL for 2 seasons, implying that he thinks it's unlikely to be payable.

[warksclaret]

If Nixon agrees with ‘we’re nervous about upping the offer before personal terms are agreed’ then he knows even less than I thought! What exactly would be the problem with offering a full amount before personal terms are agreed, it’s not like we’d be paying it if they weren’t!

I suspect it’s more a case of waiting (hoping) for Lyon to crumble. If some of the things that have been reported about them having lined up a replacement, the manager criticising his effort, him wanting to play in the premier league are true then there’s a risk that Lyon end up with a player they don’t want at the end of the window.

Looks as if we have put all our eggs in one basket. Can see this dragging on and not happening-its already gone on for 3 weeks. I dont have the confidence in our club having an alternative target, that they can afford, and who is willing to join us

[Pearcey]

Looks as if we have put all our eggs in one basket. Can see this dragging on and not happening-its already gone on for 3 weeks. I dont have the confidence in our club having an alternative target, that they can afford, and who is willing to join us

I thought Dyche said we had irons in a few fires. He’s obviously first choice but I’d imagine we have other options.

[clansman]

He will sign and be a breath of fresh air.!!

He is a bit of a looney like Arthur Gnohere but this is a player with 12 champions league and 21 caps under his belt.Our St Maximan.

[boatshed bill]

He will sign and be a breath of fresh air.!!

He is a bit of a looney like Arthur Gnohere but this is a player with 12 champions league and 21 caps under his belt.Our St Maximan.

I sincerely hope you are right.
Though I have the feeling that the only way we are going to be able to bring in a big money signing is if we sell one or more of our best players.