Tarks & McNeil

[Woodleyclaret]

Is this McParland the same one who once upon a time was going to solve all our player recruitment issues? Also what's this nonsense about Media darlings Newcastle signing one of the best cbs in the Premier league in Tarks as a short term?
Tarks has consistently being in the top 3 of defenders for the last 5 seasons. He's a class act one we should be doing our best to resign

[Billy Balfour]

The UAE isn’t the nicest of places to work either but it’s a million miles away from Saudi.

I agree with this.

There's some real ill-informed comments on here. Makes me wonder what their motives are, unless it is the usual needy 'I know nothing, but I'll argue for the attention'.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I don't think we'll be in the PL long term, we're waiting to be relegated. Wether it's this season, next or the following one, we're sitting ducks without drastic action.

It still causes us an issue, the increase in wages and fees just trickles down the league's.

It's almost like you don't pay attention to this sort of thing.

[MACCA]

You know bud I cried about it as well, but after reflection I’m not sure it was that bad an idea. The absence of the ‘big six’ (or is it five now as I’m not convinced the Gooners now qualify) would be a welcome idea, opening up the PL to more competition and less whining players and managers. Perhaps they should go play in there own closed shop and enjoy all their wealth and their preening players. Meanwhile we could get back to what happens on the pitch without the side competitions of who pays more for players and who has the biggest bank account.

I agree, I'd have let them 6 go and introduced,

A spend cap
A salary cap
A minimum number of British players per starting 11 and minimum in the matchay squad ( say 7 of 11 and 11 of the 17 matchday squad )

This would put more focus on teams developing their own youngsters , allow any finance to trickle down the leagues as more signings would come from other British clubs down the pyramid.

It would also be more focused on coaching and developing, as teams would need to do this to succeed rather than throw good money after bad time and time again to try and find a winning formula

I also think it would help the national side too as players would be playing a lot more football which will help them develop quicker, and a better quality of football earlier in their careers

I think the leagues would be more open and competitive, where the better coaches succeed.
fans would also then be more un touch with our beautiful game, aa they wouldn't just be a rich man's play thing

Just my opinion.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Strange how people say things like salary Caps aren't fair, yet Spanish football seems to manage with their set up....

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Not quite exactly what I said, I'm not surprised you of all people missed the point entirely though.

What was the point you were making?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Is this McParland the same one who once upon a time was going to solve all our player recruitment issues? Also what's this nonsense about Media darlings Newcastle signing one of the best cbs in the Premier league in Tarks as a short term?
Tarks has consistently being in the top 3 of defenders for the last 5 seasons. He's a class act one we should be doing our best to resign

He’s a great defender but a top 3 defender is a massive over reaction.

He’s decent probably should be at a club between 7-11 in the table. Nothing higher than that though

[Newcastleclaret93]

I personally never saw the beheadings or stonings but my colleagues sure did! In my experience and that of my work colleagues Saudi is a place we never wish to go again. It’s corrupt, unsafe and the way people are treated is appalling.

The UAE isn’t the nicest of places to work either but it’s a million miles away from Saudi.

That’s interesting, I never felt unsafe there. To be fair I could be quite numb to it all now.

Where abouts in Saudi were they working? I have heard along the southern border can be quite different to the rest of the country.

I spent a lot of time in Riyadh and Jeddah and felt it was quite third world but most of the locals were more interested in what we were bringing to the local area.

Maybe I was in a unique position, cinema had only just been made legal in Saudi so there was quite a buzz from the locals about the product we were bringing them.

[ewanrob]

They certainly won't be able to convince top players at any big club to suddenly give up a chance of silverware to play for a side in the lower reaches of the PL come January though.

Big wages and lots of it can get over that one

[KRBFC]

What stories have been fabricated about Saudi Arabia?

My point was regarding countries worldwide, I never mentioned Saudi specifically, which is why I said Newcastle has a point ''somewhat''. If you want to know specifically about Saudi Arabia stories, i'll let you do your own research. Typically it starts with dodgy reporting or twitter rumours that spread like wild fire and become true. Here's a Iranian media outlet posting fake stories for example: http://www.naameshaam.org/iranian-media ... ist-story/

[KRBFC]

It still causes us an issue, the increase in wages and fees just trickles down the league's.

It's almost like you don't pay attention to this sort of thing.

I'm not convinced of that honestly, I think the PL TV rights deal affects what Championship clubs are prepared to pay in fees/wages. I don't think the Man United signing of Ronaldo (on probably £500k a week) affected the Championship market at all (an example).

[KRBFC]

What was the point you were making?

''people in the west are easily influenced by media, many scared to travel to certain places because of these wild fabricated stories they've read in newspapers.''

It's not exactly algebra, pretty straight forward to read and understand for a neutral agenda free human, if you're looking to read and miss the point, you will likely miss the point. Nowhere in that post did I specifically mention SA and only SA. ''Certain places'' suggests multiple...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm not convinced of that honestly, I think the PL TV rights deal affects what Championship clubs are prepared to pay in fees/wages. I don't think the Man United signing of Ronaldo (on probably £500k a week) affected the Championship market at all (an example).

I was right, you don't.

Richer clubs, with very rich owners find ways to inflate their incomes, in addition to TV money, this means they can then pay over the odds in wages and fees for lower league players.

This then bumps up costs, so yes it would be an issue for us if we were to get relegated because we'd then have to spend a lot more time finding hidden gems at prices we can afford.
There are players in the lower leagues who've earned more than our club captain for example, Rodwell was one at Sunderland.

It's really simple to grasp this.

[fidelcastro]

''people in the west are easily influenced by media, many scared to travel to certain places because of these wild fabricated stories they've read in newspapers.''

It's not exactly algebra, pretty straight forward to read and understand for a neutral agenda free human, if you're looking to read and miss the point, you will likely miss the point. Nowhere in that post did I specifically mention SA and only SA. ''Certain places'' suggests multiple...

Oh right. I thought we were talking specifically about Saudi Arabia because they'd just become the new owners of Newcastle, but never mind.

I'll ask this question then. What stories about Saudi Arabia have been fabricated?

[KRBFC]

I was right, you don't.

Richer clubs, with very rich owners find ways to inflate their incomes, in addition to TV money, this means they can then pay over the odds in wages and fees for lower league players.

This then bumps up costs, so yes it would be an issue for us if we were to get relegated because we'd then have to spend a lot more time finding hidden gems at prices we can afford.
There are players in the lower leagues who've earned more than our club captain for example, Rodwell was one at Sunderland.

It's really simple to grasp this.

I'm not sure Newcastle will be buying lower league players, if so, then you have a point.
Jack Rodwell joined Sunderland from Manchester City, Sunderland weren't mega rich, just stupid with what they had and suffered 2 relegations because of deals like Rodwell.

I can't remember the last lower league player to join Man City/Chelsea, certainly ones that shook the Championship clubs into paying more in wages. Any examples?

[KRBFC]

Oh right. I thought we were talking specifically about Saudi Arabia because they'd just become the new owners of Newcastle, but never mind.

I'll ask this question then. What stories about Saudi Arabia have been fabricated?

Take off your nit picking glasses and read posts without looking at the poster maybe then i'll further entertain your quotes.

[KRBFC]

Anybody remember the media pushing the narrative Bin Salman hacked Jeff Bezo's mobile phone and leaked information?

[fidelcastro]

Take off your nit picking glasses and read posts without looking at the poster maybe then i'll further entertain your quotes.

I don't need to re-read your posts. You still haven't answered the question either.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm not sure Newcastle will be buying lower league players, if so, then you have a point.
Jack Rodwell joined Sunderland from Manchester City, Sunderland weren't mega rich, just stupid with what they had and suffered 2 relegations because of deals like Rodwell.

I can't remember the last lower league player to join Man City/Chelsea, certainly ones that shook the Championship clubs into paying more in wages. Any examples?

You don't get it, generally never have and by the looks of it never will.

Let's just leave it there.

[Silkyskills1]

That’s interesting, I never felt unsafe there. To be fair I could be quite numb to it all now.

I think I know what you mean.

[Silkyskills1]

I think Newcastle has a point somewhat, people in the west are easily influenced by media, many scared to travel to certain places because of these wild fabricated stories they've read in newspapers. Sadly the UK is full of sheep brained idiots who swallow up these stories, form an opinion and just run with it.

Do people still read newspapers? Anyway, your last statement about 'sheep brained idiots' does ring true.

[KRBFC]

You don't get it, generally never have and by the looks of it never will.

Let's just leave it there.

I'm trying, you just didn't really do a good job explaining. I see your point about if Newcastle are shopping in the same pond as us (Championship players) then that market would rise significantly in what clubs wanted to sell players. I struggle with the point about wages rising in Championship/League One because Newcastle have money though, why would Stoke City suddenly pay higher wages because Newcastle got investment?

The Rodwell example was bizarre too, he was signed from Man City while Sunderland were in the PL league, they were contractually locked into paying his wages for a contract signed in the PL. They just happened to get relegated during time on his deal. I'm not sure Sunderland paying Rodwell 50k a week in the Championship made Bristol City pay more in wages.

[KRBFC]

I don't need to re-read your posts. You still haven't answered the question either.

You quite clearly do, you misread ''places'' and inserted your own spin onto my post. I just told you, read the posts without looking at the poster, this weird desire and drive to trip me up and argue is causing you severe issues, you aren't even bothering reading posts properly, just knives out from the start. You're still asking me about SA, when my initial post said ''CERTAIN PLACES'', if you want to know about SA, go and do your own research and stop pestering me, maybe start with the Jeff Bezo phone hack story.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Point proven again, you don't get the finances of football, never have, which is why it's not worth the hassle generally.

City pay £100 million for Grealish.
Villa went shopping knowing they were getting that money and paying good money for players like Buendia, which with add-ons is £35 million potentially.
Norwich now have a large amount of cash to spend and some of that shopping will be in the championship or lower.
Those clubs raise their fees as a result.
Then championship clubs have money to spend and league 1 raises their fees.

Also, players want their cut so wage demands go up, along with agents fees.

We can use Derby as an example of clubs over paying players if it helps, we can even use Shackell as an example when they offered him more money than we were.
Brentford's much lauded business model required them finding gems for cheap, developing and selling on, eventually for £10 million plus to PL clubs.

You're just assuming I'm talking about Newcastle or City, but I'm not, it's about who they buy from in th UK and so on down the chain.

The fact I've got to go into such detail to get across a basic point just highlights how little some people don't understand how the money that trickles down the league's raises prices across the board for everyone.

It's one reason why our constant desire to buy players based in the UK was getting harder and harder as time went on.

We broke our transfer record 3 times in one window as a result of prices rising, Defour, Hendrick and then Brady.

[KRBFC]

Point proven again, you don't get the finances of football, never have, which is why it's not worth the hassle generally.

City pay £100 million for Grealish.
Villa went shopping knowing they were getting that money and paying good money for players like Buendia, which with add-ons is £35 million potentially.
Norwich now have a large amount of cash to spend and some of that shopping will be in the championship or lower.
Those clubs raise their fees as a result.
Then championship clubs have money to spend and league 1 raises their fees.

Also, players want their cut so wage demands go up, along with agents fees.

We can use Derby as an example of clubs over paying players if it helps, we can even use Shackell as an example when they offered him more money than we were.
Brentford's much lauded business model required them finding gems for cheap, developing and selling on, eventually for £10 million plus to PL clubs.

You're just assuming I'm talking about Newcastle or City, but I'm not, it's about who they buy from in th UK and so on down the chain.

The fact I've got to go into such detail to get across a basic point just highlights how little some people don't understand how the money that trickles down the league's raises prices across the board for everyone.

It's one reason why our constant desire to buy players based in the UK was getting harder and harder as time went on.

We broke our transfer record 3 times in one window as a result of prices rising, Defour, Hendrick and then Brady.

You put your point across much better here, thanks although I'm not sure why so arsey, I only asked for your opinion on how. You have a point on specific players in rare cases for sure, the Grealish one is a good example.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I get the arse on because it's been explained so many times on here, to you and others, that I'd assumed by now that I wouldn't need the long winded explanation.

This is really simple economics in football.

[Clarets4me]

So if Tarks wants to go, what can we realistically expect to get for him ...

£10m clear, after we've paid Brentford out their % ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

So if Tarks wants to go, what can we realistically expect to get for him ...

£10m clear, after we've paid Brentford out their % ?

With 6 months left and can sign a pre contract.

I would say 5m after Brentford’s cut

[Rileybobs]

So if Tarks wants to go, what can we realistically expect to get for him ...

£10m clear, after we've paid Brentford out their % ?

If Newcastle are interested then I’d be holding out for something in the region of £150m.

[Jakubclaret]

With 6 months left and can sign a pre contract.

I would say 5m after Brentford’s cut

Why would anybody pay anything when he’s effectively a free agent when the contract expires which doesn’t have that long left to run, as much as we highly rate him there doesn’t appear to be that much of a queue, awhile ago 2 clubs did seem to have serious interest but since then they’ve moved on with other signings, the big money offer we let slip by will never come back but that’s not to say it was wrong not to sell him back then because I think we could have been relegated without him.

[Spijed]

Why would anybody pay anything when he’s effectively a free agent when the contract expires which doesn’t have that long left to run, as much as we highly rate him there doesn’t appear to be that much of a queue, awhile ago 2 clubs did seem to have serious interest but since then they’ve moved on with other signings, the big money offer we let slip by will never come back but that’s not to say it was wrong not to sell him back then because I think we could have been relegated without him.

Newcastle have to make sure they are clear of relegation and spending a few million over the odds in January would surely make sense as they won't need to watch the finances from now on (apart from FFP).

[Jakubclaret]

Newcastle have to make sure they are clear of relegation and spending a few million over the odds in January would surely make sense as they won't need to watch the finances from now on (apart from FFP).

I know you seem to have a weird warped imagination about Newcastle getting relegated but it ain’t happening, Newcastle are a club going places now.

[Spijed]

I know you seem to have a weird warped imagination about Newcastle getting relegated but it ain’t happening, Newcastle are a club going places now.

That's why they need to spend in January not wait until the summer for players such as Tarkowski.

Let's face it. If they spent nothing in Jan they more than likely get relegated as the current players, bar a couple aren't good enough.

[Jakubclaret]

That's why they need to spend in January not wait until the summer for players such as Tarkowski.

Let's face it. If they spent nothing in Jan they more than likely get relegated as the current players, bar a couple aren't good enough.

Yes they probably do need to strengthen in January & probably will as well if that’s looking likely, i wouldn’t necessarily join the dots up because of this & automatically assume tarkowski will be a target, it’s likely Steve Bruce won’t be there & we don’t even know if the new manager will want tarkowski, the new owners I understand are mega rich so will probably be looking at maybe something else.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm trying, you just didn't really do a good job explaining. I see your point about if Newcastle are shopping in the same pond as us (Championship players) then that market would rise significantly in what clubs wanted to sell players. I struggle with the point about wages rising in Championship/League One because Newcastle have money though, why would Stoke City suddenly pay higher wages because Newcastle got investment?

The Rodwell example was bizarre too, he was signed from Man City while Sunderland were in the PL league, they were contractually locked into paying his wages for a contract signed in the PL. They just happened to get relegated during time on his deal. I'm not sure Sunderland paying Rodwell 50k a week in the Championship made Bristol City pay more in wages.

When it comes to money issues in footy Simon Jordan is usually in the right ballpark with his opinion. Well worth 5 mins of your time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjskobflutU

[fidelcastro]

You quite clearly do, you misread ''places'' and inserted your own spin onto my post. I just told you, read the posts without looking at the poster, this weird desire and drive to trip me up and argue is causing you severe issues, you aren't even bothering reading posts properly, just knives out from the start. You're still asking me about SA, when my initial post said ''CERTAIN PLACES'', if you want to know about SA, go and do your own research and stop pestering me, maybe start with the Jeff Bezo phone hack story.

What is the point in even mentioning other places? Saudi Arabia are in the headlines right now because they've just bought Newcastle. It's not difficult to understand... even for you!

As for the pretty desperate Bezos story. I'm not sure who, if anyone, cared, but even if it was true, I'm not sure it qualifies as a human rights violation!

[bf2k]

That’s interesting, I never felt unsafe there. To be fair I could be quite numb to it all now.

Where abouts in Saudi were they working? I have heard along the southern border can be quite different to the rest of the country.

I spent a lot of time in Riyadh and Jeddah and felt it was quite third world but most of the locals were more interested in what we were bringing to the local area.

Maybe I was in a unique position, cinema had only just been made legal in Saudi so there was quite a buzz from the locals about the product we were bringing them.

I worked in Riyadh and colleges have worked in Riyadh, Jeddah and Dammam. Dammam is probably the most easy going of the 3 and Riyadh the least tolerant of the west. I worked there in 2014. I never felt safe especially on the roads. Wow it felt like they thought they could hit the reset button and have another crack.

I always remember being in a project meeting 1 day and asked for my usual water (bring diabetic I’ve always found it’s best to order water when in certain foreign countries as I’ve no idea what is in some drinks unless it comes in a can). I was very sternly told this day it costs more for a litre of water than it did for a litre of petrol. I seriously thought they were going to make me drink petrol instead! The people were always very friendly when they wanted something. Once they got what they wanted they turned and you may as well be a speck of dirt on their shoe. I was dealing mainly with high up people.

Like I said I’ve not seen the barbaric stuff but did hear that it was going on. I also saw the treatment of females and people they looked down on (Pakistani’s and Thai’s mainly).

[KRBFC]

What is the point in even mentioning other places? Saudi Arabia are in the headlines right now because they've just bought Newcastle. It's not difficult to understand... even for you!

As for the pretty desperate Bezos story. I'm not sure who, if anyone, cared, but even if it was true, I'm not sure it qualifies as a human rights violation!

I made a general sweeping statement on media, you didn't understand a pretty basic paragraph now you're arguing to try and flip it onto me, you truly are a weird individual. As for the Bezos story not qualifying as a human rights violation, where on earth did I mention a human rights violation? You asked me ''which stories have been fabricated about SA?'' I don't think I can keep engaging with someone lacking the required reading skills, I'm losing brain cells just engaging with you.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Well you definitely can’t afford that.

[KRBFC]

5 years later and I've still got the same 2 or 3 meat riders quoting my every post.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I bet you knew what quoting meant before you lost those brain cells.

[Silkyskills1]

How do you know when you've lost braincells?

[basil6345789]

Have Magpies 2 got a good goalie?