Southampton (a)- Match Thread

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Cork and Taylor need to come off

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Defensively vulnerable not just in conceding the goal.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Cornet needs to wake up, his tracking back and defensive duties have been so poor.

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

Well the Saints deserved that goal but to concede from a corner????

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

First goal this season they score from a set piece.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

This season, we are defensively shite.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 pm
Wood shite, Cork shite, Westwood shite. zero composure

the longest serving players as well, they are all 3 taking the **** and have lost any motivation, going through the motions the 3 of them this season.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

Cornet and McNeil haven't tracked anyone all game.

Three cm being dominated too.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:41 pm
Midfield might as well not be there.

Midfield are non existent Westwood and Cork way past it nowadays

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm

Burnley far too casual. Playing like a practice game.
Wood cork and pope guilty
Pope not looking the same goalkeepers as last season.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:45 pm

This is really disappointing again.

Too many players are nowhere near the levels they need to be at.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:45 pm

Corner clarets

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:46 pm

Just zero faith in this side every single time we take the lead. Might as well just go a goal down.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:46 pm

Steven Defour doesn't pass it back to Soton for the goal like Westwood did

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:46 pm

How a foul wasn't given on Cornet there I don't know. He was pulled to the ground right in front of the lino.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:47 pm

Cornet fouled

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:47 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Steven Defour doesn't pass it back to Soton for the goal like Westwood did

He's retired

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:47 pm

Burnley are ******* useless

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:48 pm

Westwood and his daft pictures supping cups of tea. He’s playing like an old fart at a tea party this season.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:48 pm

That was a goal kick

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:48 pm

We've done well to get to half time 1-1. Common Burnley.
That was never their corner at the end. Ref doing his best to give them another.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:48 pm

What was Tarkowski doing playing that ball to absolutely nobody

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:49 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:47 pm
He's retired

and was never replaced

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm

Can you imagine Lowton scoring a goal like that for us on a corner?
Livramento is only 18 and already offers more.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:51 pm

Collins and Tarks playing in the same space. Wood non existent and Corneth has to track back. Assume McNeil will go to left side to support Taylor

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:51 pm

Time for the manager to earn is corn and sort out the shambles on show , woeful to say the least, what's happened to us this season ??

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm

Burnley totally on top except for the last 10

Paddy1882 · Post by **Paddy1882** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm

I struggle to believe one of the young lads (Phillips or Gomez-Mancini) would offer less than cork at this level… Should have been dragged off for the mis-control on the edge of the box with nobody around him.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 pm
Is Cornet knackered or can he not be arsed tracking back?

When did we get so bad at the pressing game?

That's what's costing us down their right, Cornet isn't tracking back at all.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm

don't understand our tactics this half. Get the goal after 20 mins, great. Why not just try & stifle the game, keep possession and in defence keep it 4-5-1 and let them play through us. Instead we press high, leave gaps wide open in midfield for them to break through and we are playing into their hands! We should be going in at least 2-1 down if not 3-1. We have had a couple of good chances too so probably just about even but very nervous and if we carry on like this we'll lose.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm

I think it's harsh to call out Wood. He's not had much service and he's covering for Cornet too

It's poor to concede like that though

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 pm

Saints will go on and win this now.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:54 pm

Keep a lead !!!!!!!

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:54 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:44 pm
Cornet and McNeil haven't tracked anyone all game.

Three cm being dominated too.

Cornet and McNeil are on the wrong wings

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:54 pm

I see no one has mentioned that Brownhill lost his man at the corner.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:55 pm

Safron wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:51 pm
Time for the manager to earn is corn and sort out the shambles on show , woeful to say the least, what's happened to us this season ??

It's called athletic decline, anyone could've pointed out Cork has lost his legs, Brownhill the jury is out and Westwood hasn't played well for a long time. We are seeing a slow weak poor midfield getting ripped to shreds every game, Westwood lacks ANY kind of composure just hoofs it anywhere and passes to the other team.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:55 pm

Formation has been strangely fluid which is leaving us weak down our left. Brownhill goes up top out of possession and cornet goes up top in possession with brownhill dropping back and cork going left. Means we are often found very open when we lose the ball and they counter. Decent half but horrendous last ten.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:55 pm

AndyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:54 pm
I see no one has mentioned that Brownhill lost his man at the corner.

I thought it was McNeil bit haven't seen it again yet?

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:55 pm

Yes, Cornet needs to track back and I'm sure Sean will tell him. At least he knows where the net is. Wood's only effort was going yards wide until it took a deflection.

Wood off, Vyds on I hope, but it won't happen. Don't know what Wood has to do to be dropped?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:56 pm

Collins and Cornet both new to this level (forget internationals and Champions League, totally different tempo). It will take time, BUT we need to score goals so taking Cornet off is a huge risk while not ahead.

Got to expose those wing backs and vulnerability in the air. Personally I’d go Vydra for Cork and go 442. Give them something to worry about. Then if we go ahead for the last 15 we can bring Pieters on for Cornet.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:56 pm

Something needs to change, this is hardly a one off performance, this bl00dy framework thing we have to play to just isn't working or the players are just fed up with it.
As mentioned earlier Dyche really needs to freshen things up including his mindset.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:56 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm
Burnley totally on top except for the last 10

That's a very kind assessment!

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:56 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
Can you imagine Lowton scoring a goal like that for us on a corner?
Livramento is only 18 and already offers more.

Pretty sure Lowton has an assist today so hardly terrible

Claretprinter · Post by **Claretprinter** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm

Afraid to say Cornet either doesn't know or cba to defend which is leaving Taylor exposed.
Did the same when he got subbed off at half time last time.
Need to play 4 4 1 1 imo with Cornet on the pitch.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:52 pm
I think it's harsh to call out Wood. He's not had much service and he's covering for Cornet too

It's poor to concede like that though

I don't think it's harsh at all. The way we play we rely heavily on him being an outlet to hold up the ball and bring others into play. He's largely been bullied by their defenders.

It's certainly not the worse he's played this season though, he had a good chance deflected, he started the move with a knock on.

NBC taking the **** showing Blackburn Rovers premier win at half time. Rovers player Co commentating too.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm

Said a few mins before the goal that we may need to sacrifice Cornet at half time. Clearly their equaliser changes that. I think we need to go 4-4-1-1 and play Cornet off Wood. Get Brownhill on the right and McNeil back on the left.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm

Maybe mcneil no 10 brownhill right

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm

I think we can count ourselves very fortunate to be going in level.

I don’t know what’s gone on this year, but defensively we are useless.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:59 pm

Claretprinter wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:58 pm
Afraid to say Cornet either doesn't know or cba to defend which is leaving Taylor exposed.
Did the same when he got subbed off at half time last time.
Need to play 4 4 1 1 imo with Cornet on the pitch.

He struggled at City too playing the way he's being asked. Superb goal from him today but other than that.......

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:00 pm

The framework method hasn't been on show this season, we've been as open as anything & can't see why.
Open the game as we did with Cornet & Brownhill & Dwight all supporting Wood, definitely.
But once we get the goal, calm the game down, get possession, out of possession get Brownhill deeper, cornet & dwight a bit further back (4-5-1) and let them break us down! Saints want only one thing, space to attack; we have given it to them & they should have at least 3/4 goals.
With Dwight & Cornet we have serious counter attacking threat. And I like them as they are; Dwight to cut it, giving space to Lowts to overlap, and cornet explout the space on the left