Jack Wiltshire (again)

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:03 am

At present our midfield is lacking in any creativity which is isolating our forwards . Wiltshire is without a club , training with Arsenal and desperate to get back to playing . He's only 29 and with his injury history couldn't we try and get him on a pay as you play contact ? His presence (imo) , would work well in a 3-5-2 formation or a 4-2-3-1 system .

Walkerpool · Post by **Walkerpool** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:05 am

We're going down without a fight so why not give him a chance

longsidetrumpet · Post by **longsidetrumpet** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:07 am

How about Jack Wilshere lads, how do you think he’d fare?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:55 am

I think Wiltshire is a bit to big ... perhaps Fred Rutland would be better

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:20 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:03 am
At present our midfield is lacking in any creativity which is isolating our forwards . Wiltshire is without a club , training with Arsenal and desperate to get back to playing . He's only 29 and with his injury history couldn't we try and get him on a pay as you play contact ? His presence (imo) , would work well in a 3-5-2 formation or a 4-2-3-1 system .

I'm not against it seen as we're happy to spaff money on the likes of Lennon anyway.

That said, there must be some reason that Wilshere is either not entertaining offers from elsewhere or just not getting offers. Seems strange that he prefers the dole queue to drawing a wage in MLS, league 1 / 2.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:30 pm

Wilshere is better than anything we currently have at the club

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:42 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:30 pm
Wilshere is better than anything we currently have at the club

I’m not sure if he is. He’s got good vision, or he had but with his lack of pace I really don’t think he’s any better than what we have. We need someone in the mould of Barkley. I think our lack of pace and mobility generally is currently our downfall.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:49 pm

Why not? Desperate times call for desperate measures: he is better than what we have.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:07 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:49 pm
Why not? Desperate times call for desperate measures: he is better than what we have.

I’d also be concerned about his injury situation and whether he could do 90 minutes on a regular basis. I’d rather look for some younger legs with an engine.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:16 pm

NO.

Under no circumstances.

Our recruitment this summer shows the way forward. We need something in midfield but he is absolutely NOT the answer. We need an influx of youth and energy. We look tired and sluggish. His body, whether you rate his football or not, cannot deal with what is required.

Arsenal are in a desperate state. They are seeing him on a daily basis and are still not interested. They're plum average and still don't want him. There's your answer.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:19 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:16 pm
NO.

Under no circumstances.

Our recruitment this summer shows the way forward. We need something in midfield but he is absolutely NOT the answer. We need an influx of youth and energy. We look tired and sluggish. His body, whether you rate his football or not, cannot deal with what is required.

Arsenal are in a desperate state. They are seeing him on a daily basis and are still not interested. They're plum average and still don't want him. There's your answer.

Are you seriously comparing our midfield to arsenals?

Our midfield is bottom end championship standard. The point is we can’t get anyone else until January. Wilshere could sign today and play at the weekend.

In that case he is a definite improvement so even if it’s just a 9 month contract we should take him on

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:20 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:16 pm
NO.

Under no circumstances.

Our recruitment this summer shows the way forward. We need something in midfield but he is absolutely NOT the answer. We need an influx of youth and energy. We look tired and sluggish. His body, whether you rate his football or not, cannot deal with what is required.

Arsenal are in a desperate state. They are seeing him on a daily basis and are still not interested. They're plum average and still don't want him. There's your answer.

Put you down as a "maybe"?

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:24 pm

I wish we were as desperate as Arsenal !!

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:26 pm

Beddie : that's why i put pay as you play contact .

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:19 pm
Are you seriously comparing our midfield to arsenals?

Our midfield is bottom end championship standard. The point is we can’t get anyone else until January. Wilshere could sign today and play at the weekend.

In that case he is a definite improvement so even if it’s just a 9 month contract we should take him on

He'd probably be injured before the weekend, and that's not even a joke.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:40 pm

Pity we did not move for Will Hughes before he went to Palace. Big improvement on Cork, still got the legs and loads of experience. He wasnt expensive either

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:45 pm

There is probably a valid reason he is currently without a Club.

At any level for those who maybe hadn't realised.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:50 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:40 pm
Pity we did not move for Will Hughes before he went to Palace. Big improvement on Cork, still got the legs and loads of experience. He wasnt expensive either

I'd forgotten he went to Palace.
Yet to make an appearance for them, I'd be tempted to try and loan him in January

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:50 pm

Darthlaw wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:20 pm
I'm not against it seen as we're happy to spaff money on the likes of Lennon anyway.

That said, there must be some reason that Wilshere is either not entertaining offers from elsewhere or just not getting offers. Seems strange that he prefers the dole queue to drawing a wage in MLS, league 1 / 2.

He was on Talksport the other day saying that he was wedded to Arsenal until January. does that mean he has some sort of contract there?

If so he is probably getting paid more than he can get elsewhere for now

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:51 pm

Wilshire is just a slower, more injury prone Jack Cork

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:41 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:26 pm
Beddie : that's why i put pay as you play contact .

Apologies expoultryboy I’d missed that from your post.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:55 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:51 pm
Wilshire is just a slower, more injury prone Jack Cork

Cruel....but quite funny!

BFC123 · Post by **BFC123** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:34 pm
He'd probably be injured before the weekend, and that's not even a joke.

He hasn’t had an injury since January 2020.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:32 pm

BFC123 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:19 pm
He hasn’t had an injury since January 2020.

He hasn't played much since then either, 1000 mins in total.
He only played 35 mins for West Ham in 2020 and left them in the summer of 2020
The rest at Bournemouth after joining them in Jan 21, predominantly as a sub.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:40 pm

If he is such a good bet for us as a Premier League club, can anyone explain why he doesn't have a club?

As for pay as you play - does anyone think players are on such contracts?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm

Jack wheelchair?

No, ta.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:30 pm
Wilshere is better than anything we currently have at the club

Was!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:13 pm

he would walk into our midfield. We need someone who can pass and create, surely worth getting him in to train with us with a view to signing. Nothing lost in having a look at him, better than at least 2 of our midfield options

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:40 pm
If he is such a good bet for us as a Premier League club, can anyone explain why he doesn't have a club?

As for pay as you play - does anyone think players are on such contracts?

Only premier league clubs and top championship teams can afford him.

None of them need a CM as desperately as we do

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:20 pm

Wilshere made nine starts for Bournemouth in the Championship last season and finished only one game.

Bournemouth did not want to sign him again and they had a look at him all last season, they seem to be doing quite well this year without Wilshere.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:22 pm

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:20 pm
Wilshere made nine starts for Bournemouth in the Championship last season and finished only one game.

Bournemouth did not want to sign him again and they had a look at him all last season, they seem to be doing quite well this year without Wilshere.

Bournemouth have better CMs than we do

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Down_Rover wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:50 pm
He was on Talksport the other day saying that he was wedded to Arsenal until January. does that mean he has some sort of contract there?

If so he is probably getting paid more than he can get elsewhere for now

He’s doing his badge, that’ll take him to January 2022. Then he can play again without trying to balance the two.

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:40 pm
If he is such a good bet for us as a Premier League club, can anyone explain why he doesn't have a club?

As for pay as you play - does anyone think players are on such contracts?

Players are on a minimal base wage, that’s heavily weighted with playing time, contributions (coaching and playing), and the usual playing incentives.

I think he would be a great player to have in and around the squad, both for knowledge and morale. I don’t think he’d start games. He’s not able to work as Dyche would want a midfield two to do. BUT, I’d have him for the last fifteen minutes in every game. He’s a magician that needs premier league players to work with.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:47 pm

Jack Wilshire, undoubtedly was a talented youngster. Injuries have sadly have taken their toll. Not been at any level of performance for years, would probably burn his hand carrying Westys brew. If he wants to carry on playing football at any level, he needs to get Ravel Morrison’s agent.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:08 pm

Forget JW-if we signed him he would not be considered by SD until he was "acclimatised" for at least 3 months

Instead we should be working 24 hours a day to target a CM and a striker for the January window. We then need to look at the top clubs like Man Utd, Man City and Liverpool to see what CM and striker we could loan as well. With players like Sancho unable to get a start, there will be a whole regiment of very promising youngsters desperate to play in the PL.You only have to look at James and Gallagher of Chelsea, and how brilliant they played on loan. Tomori and Mount art Derby were outstanding. Also Harvey Elliott of Liverpool was on loan at Blackburn-surely anything they can do we should be able to better.Get two on loan, and buy two so you have some competition , then ease out some of the deadwood thats drawing a wage from the club. They will soon get the message about renewing contracts

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:11 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:13 pm
he would walk into our midfield.

Anything approaching a jog and he’s injured, a no from me

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:22 pm
Bournemouth have better CMs than we do

Yeah they look great now they're a league below us

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm
Yeah they look great now they're a league below us

Come on DJ even you can’t be saying our lot are better than Billing, Lerma, Pearson and Lewis Cook. All of them midfielders walk into our starting eleven.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:21 pm
Come on DJ even you can’t be saying our lot are better than Billing, Lerma, Pearson and Lewis Cook. All of them midfielders walk into our starting eleven.

Dunno, they're a league below for a reason and no one seems to have rushed to buy them from what I saw.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:26 pm

Forgotten wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:26 pm
He’s doing his badge, that’ll take him to January 2022. Then he can play again without trying to balance the two.

He will injure himself lifting the pen

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:48 pm

Is he is old, slow & injury prone ?

If so, he's a perfect signing for Dyche.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:56 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:48 pm
Is he is old, slow & injury prone ?

If so, he's a perfect signing for Dyche.

What a stupid stupid question followed by a stupid statement.

Are Collins, Cornet and Roberts old, slow and injury prone?

Deary me

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:57 pm

He would probably argue Crouch, Stephens and Lennon are though. (Although Lennon is not slow, he’s just crap)

Balance and all that

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:09 pm

Philip Billing mentioned above feels like the one that got away. We were strongly linked when Huddersfield got relegated but according to some reports he didn't pass the 'fit and proper' test

Shame if true from a purely footballing perspective appears to tick all of our required boxes

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:15 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:30 pm
Wilshere is better than anything we currently have at the club

What are you basing that on? Wilshere’s performances 5 years ago?

I’d say Wilshere is exactly the kind of has-been we should avoid signing given the issues that we already have.

Don’t take my word for it though. The opinions that really matter are the managers who have chosen not to sign him since Championship Bournemouth decided he wasn’t worth another contract.

Let’s not forgot he was also completely ignored in the summer of 2020 too.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:18 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:55 am
I think Wiltshire is a bit to big ... perhaps Fred Rutland would be better

Be careful, I got a telling off for being sarcastic the other day.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:20 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:15 pm
What are you basing that on? Wilshere’s performances 5 years ago?

I’d say Wilshere is exactly the kind of has-been we should avoid signing given the issues that we already have.

Don’t take my word for it though. The opinions that really matter are the managers who have chosen not to sign him since Championship Bournemouth decided he wasn’t worth another contract.

Let’s not forgot he was also completely ignored in the summer of 2020 too.

Basing it on his performances at Bournemouth. I started a thread on Wilshere last year after watching him play really well for them.

Bournemouth have fantastic CMs they don’t need any other ones

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:21 pm

Let’s not pretend Wilshere’s wage demands are likely to be a hurdle for anyone either. He’s been getting £0 a week for much of the last two seasons of his career.

If anyone who has scouted/analyses his performances really believed he was worth a contract in the top two tiers of English football, he’d have a club by now.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:24 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:20 pm
Basing it on his performances at Bournemouth. I started a thread on Wilshere last year after watching him play really well for them.

Bournemouth have fantastic CMs they don’t need any other ones

So he played really well for them and they released him? And then loads of football clubs with scouts and analysts coming out of their ears ignored these high level performances and allowed him to sit on the scrap heap for another 6 months?

Aye.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:27 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:22 pm
Bournemouth have better CMs than we do

What about all the other Championship clubs that haven't signed him?