Protesting Kids

[SouthLondonexile]

My daughter made the front page of the Times in 2003, during mass protest against the Iraq War.
She was 17 at the time and subsequently bollocked by the headteacher for being at the protest in school uniform - thereby bringing the school into disrepute for taking what was seen as a political stand. I do wish the politicians had listened to her.

[ClaretDiver]

OK, so here is my tuppenceworth.....I am genuinely concerned as to where this planet is heading. We are mere tenants not the owners. As a diver and having dived and lived in many places around the world I have seen the devastation that plastics etc have brought....However, I would be a massive hypocrite if I condemned people for flying as I have taken many flights in my lifetime and will continue to do so...

BUT....something has to change...small changes can make an impact. On the small island I lived on in Thailand we managed to get all the bars to ban plastic straws....small change but if every island did it then this is a big impact....

I have seen tidal changes impact the islands...is this due to climate change....no definitive answer but I would hazard a guess.....

All I am saying is that this is a real threat BUT ramming it down peoples throats day in day out is not the answer....

[Bordeauxclaret]

Why do you keep sly digging with Football Manager? what a weirdo
My knowledge comes from a variety of things, mainly watching football, I haven't really played a manager computer game since LMA manager 2006. I've never claimed to play Football Manager, weird hater making up things.

Quite reassuring to be called a weirdo by someone like you.
So thank you.

[duncandisorderly]

People thinking 'what difference does it make if I do such and such' are part of the problem because virtually everyone thinks like that.

I work in the white goods trade and trying to convince people to use the Eco setting on their washers, dryers and dishwashers is like pulling teeth but it really makes a huge difference. Huge, huge difference.

The appliance industry has made huge strides towards reducing the energy output of their machines - the top brands don't make vented dryers anymore, condenser dryers will be phased out, as will ceramic hobs in favour of induction - all for people to do quick washes and and render that A+++ energy rating utterly moot.

[dsr]

I know "Fridays for Future" has a catchy, alliterative name, but they could have had "Saturdays for Survival" instead. It would carry a lot more conviction if schoolchildren could be persuaded to cancel what they do on Saturday and go on a march instead. After all, trying to persuade children to miss school is really pushing at an open door.

I was a bit tongue-in-cheek earlier, but what concrete proposals have the Fridays for Future people made? By all means draw attention to the failures of people older than themselves. But the more actual proposals they can come up with, the more people will realise they mean business. Have any youth groups made official statements saying that young people will have a central heating strike in their bedrooms? That they will have an electric gadget reduction and will always switch devices off, not leave them on standby? That they will (as safety permits) choose to walk any distance under a couple of miles rather than make an unnecessary car journey? Little things on the grand scale, but every little helps, and it would show determination to succeed in a way that "somebody else must do something2 does not.

Greta Thunberg could make that speech and be listened to.

[evensteadiereddie]

On the other hand, it must be great to live in a world where politicians aren't bent, the Saudis are fully justified in their actions, racism isn't really an issue and the problem of climate change has just been made up by shady chancers.

[dsr]

People thinking 'what difference does it make if I do such and such' are part of the problem because virtually everyone thinks like that.

I work in the white goods trade and trying to convince people to use the Eco setting on their washers, dryers and dishwashers is like pulling teeth but it really makes a huge difference. Huge, huge difference.

The appliance industry has made huge strides towards reducing the energy output of their machines - the top brands don't make vented dryers anymore, condenser dryers will be phased out, as will ceramic hobs in favour of induction - all for people to do quick washes and and render that A+++ energy rating utterly moot.

How much difference does an eco setting make? I don't actually know if my washing machine has an eco setting because we always use the 14-minute setting. In percentage terms, how much less power does a 2-hour or 3-hour eco setting typically use?

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm deeply concerned about climate change, I look at my young grandchildren and worry they won't have the quality of life regarding the great outdoors I had as a child. OK the climate and planet has been damaged by ignorance in the past but this millennium when science has proven beyond doubt about the causes of climate change and pollution there is no excuse left for governments not to act. Youngsters are voters and in democracies things are at last starting to happen, worryingly though the 2 main polluters are not democracies and their attitudes reflect this.
This saying by the pope sums it up for me.

We have a great responsibility, especially with regard to the future generations. What world do we want to leave to our children and our young? Our selfishness, our indifference and our irresponsible ways are threatening the future of our children."

I share your fears, and I'm not trying to diss them, but you can go past any school at kicking out time and see young parents driving the 500 metres to pick their kids up. And the kids complaining now will probably do the same when they have kids of their own.
In order to fight climate change we all need to make sacrifices, most people are happy for others to make the sacrifice, but don't see the need for themselves to contribute. You never see Greta Thunberg hitch hiking to these conferences.

[Lowbankclaret]

OK, so here is my tuppenceworth.....I am genuinely concerned as to where this planet is heading. We are mere tenants not the owners. As a diver and having dived and lived in many places around the world I have seen the devastation that plastics etc have brought....However, I would be a massive hypocrite if I condemned people for flying as I have taken many flights in my lifetime and will continue to do so...

BUT....something has to change...small changes can make an impact. On the small island I lived on in Thailand we managed to get all the bars to ban plastic straws....small change but if every island did it then this is a big impact....

I have seen tidal changes impact the islands...is this due to climate change....no definitive answer but I would hazard a guess.....

All I am saying is that this is a real threat BUT ramming it down peoples throats day in day out is not the answer....

I agree small changes we can all do, I have always kept getting milk from the milkman but it came in plastic. A while back I asked if he did deliver in glass bottles , he did and we changed to bottled milk.
Another thing from a programme that was on the TV about 4 weeks ago was a new kettle. Vektra, it a kettle that’s a thermos type flask. It works well. I fill it up and boil it and I can have 3-4 cups of coffee over about 4 hours and the water is still hot enough without reboiling.

Small things but it helps.

[gandhisflipflop]

Good point. Let's bus them out to Moscow to protest outside the Kremlin.

Greta has no issues travelling the world to make her ‘point’. And you don’t need to protest in the country you are protesting about to make your point, so I’d suggest you are just being deliberately pedantic

[Lowbankclaret]

The difference at this COP is the amount of young people from all over the world who are there speaking. Greta was at the last one and I didn’t see that one as I was working but they are saying there were very few others. This one there are many many more, some who spoke were very very articulate even in a language which isn’t their first one.

One interesting thing a BBC presenter said was that the carbon footprint of the foods in the cafe is printed on the menu. He was surprised the a croissant had a larger carbon footprint than a bacon butty. Like he said, who knew!!

[evensteadiereddie]

I think that's the key, everyone can do their bit to cut down and avoid waste of all kinds. The big players need to change their game and until they do, the effect of climate change will only be slowed down but not enough , probably, to ensure the planet's safety.
This is no reason to give up or deny there's any problem in the first place.
As for the kids, fair play to them. The cynical, bitter gits lining up to have a go at them are to be pitied.

[duncandisorderly]

How much difference does an eco setting make? I don't actually know if my washing machine has an eco setting because we always use the 14-minute setting. In percentage terms, how much less power does a 2-hour or 3-hour eco setting typically use?

Why do you use the 14 minute setting? Are you washing only for dolls, hobbits or gnomes that are in permanently sterile environments?
The 14 minute cycle is only designed for tiny loads - probably 0.5-1kg loads depending on your washer - so if you are using that as your main wash then your clothes aren't getting clean.

Obviously a 2 hour cycle uses more energy than a 14 minute cycle, but the 2 hour cycle that is designed to wash a full load, lets say 7kg as an average, then that 2 hour cycle uses far less energy than using your 14 minute cycle 7 times would.

[Hipper]

How much difference does an eco setting make? I don't actually know if my washing machine has an eco setting because we always use the 14-minute setting. In percentage terms, how much less power does a 2-hour or 3-hour eco setting typically use?

It's not the length of time of the wash that you should measure. It's about temperature, water and electricity use.

During a long cycle their are periods when nothing happens. This gives time for the chemical actions of the washing powders to do their work. I use 20 degrees and 'delicate' setting which gives a time of 141 minutes, although I think it last less then that. This works for lightly soiled material.

When I got this new washing machine about three years ago it replaced a twenty-five year old one. It knocked one sixth off my water usage.

[duncandisorderly]

It's not the length of time of the wash that you should measure. It's about temperature, water and electricity use.

During a long cycle their are periods when nothing happens. This gives time for the chemical actions of the washing powders to do their work. I use 20 degrees and 'delicate' setting which gives a time of 141 minutes, although I think it last less then that. This works for lightly soiled material.

When I got this new washing machine about three years ago it replaced a twenty-five year old one. It knocked one sixth off my water usage.

Exactly, although I use 30 rather than 20 degrees as it is usually well worn work clothes or underwear. You don't want to wash underwear below 30, all you're doing is getting it wet, not clean.
DSR's underwear must be like a petri dish....

[dsr]

Exactly, although I use 30 rather than 20 degrees as it is usually well worn work clothes or underwear. You don't want to wash underwear below 30, all you're doing is getting it wet, not clean.
DSR's underwear must be like a petri dish....

40 degrees C.

I suspect it gets clothes cleaner than the clothes of all previous generations.

[KRBFC]

Quite reassuring to be called a weirdo by someone like you.
So thank you.

You haven't stopped following me around on here for the last 3 years, really strange.

[Rileybobs]

Incredible levels of ignorance, and dare I say it sheer stupidity, largely from the usual suspects.

[KRBFC]

Your obviously not keeping up with the science, if we go over 2 degrees of warming which at the rate we are going will be by 2030, several cities around the world will be lost to the sea.

Are you really gullible enough to believe that spiel? If we kept up with science, the world would've ended already. Bored scientists like to make up fictional stories to sound smart.

[kentonclaret]

"Lippy kids on the corner again" as the song goes

As for "Build a rocket boys" leave that to Jeff Bezos

[Hipper]

It's not for children to come up with solutions - they're children. It is for them to point out the obvious, that they will inherit the damage that we have made.

Indeed when you see what is going on in various parts of the world it's frightening. We had to spend much time, effort and loss of choices to deal with Covid and it was easy to convince us of the necessity because people were dying in front of our eyes AND it could happen to 'me'. Climate Change is not so easy for us to be convinced about because it seems something still distant and our lives have not yet been much damaged by it (obviously some have - the flooding for instance). It requires a strong faith in the science and our politicians for us to accept the even bigger and permanent changes to the way we live that will be necessary. It also requires strong politicians that will do what we need regardless of whether we want it. I don't think we have those and I don't think we would accept that anyway. This in fact is the weakness of democracy as we have it now.

It's a 'Climate Emergency', as the politicians have declared but have done very little that makes you think it really is an emergency, like Covid.

You may think we in the UK will be OK from the worst effects of Climate Change but we are so integrated into world trading, especially food, that we will surely suffer. Furthermore the scale of immigration we have seen recently will be as nothing to what's likely to happen once areas of the world become unlivable and I can't help thinking that there will have to be some brutal decisions and actions made.

[Rowls]

Fair play to the kids.

We were constantly trying our luck and failing to bunk off school.

This new generation have managed to do it in plain sight, mostly with the approval of their teachers.

Hat tip to the kids here.

[Burnley1989]

Amazing

I’m sat here amazed as well, surely a wind up

[Silkyskills1]

You're not gonna melt away don't worry about it.

That's a relief to know..

[Burnley1989]

There are bigger things to worry about while you're alive than the possibility of the world under water in 2 billion years, some like to cry about things that wont affect them though, it's similar to the snowflake attitude of being offended on the behalf of others. How about they protest about things that actually matter? like homelessness, war/conflict, Mino Raiola leeching from football?

Like politics, it's for bored people, looking for something meaningless to bicker and whinge about. The media will run with it for clicks and news needs something to report. These rednecks were probably the same idiots who believed the world was gonna end a few years ago.

Wow, really don’t know how to reply sensibly to a statement like that

[bfcjg]

I I think if it was global cooling that was the main issue caused by climate change we would be more inclined to take drastic action. We are quite happy to have mild winters in the West to a certain extent however if we had cold summers, then even worse winters the pressure on politicians and consequently polluters etc would be overwhelming.
If youngsters peacefully protest, get a point over without blocking roads,smashing windows etc and most importantly clean up after themselves well good on them.
Perhaps we should move it high up on the national curriculum starting at infants level, perhaps teachers on this board could let us know if this is happening or will happen as my grandchildren never seem to talk about it.

[Volvoclaret]

I don't know what everyone is arguing about
We all know that global warming isn't true, that the earth is flat, Covid is made up, Trump is the best President ever and BRFC were robbed on Tuesday.
So once we all agree to these truths then we can return to harmony on this board

PS I made up that last one

[Taffy on the wing]

Greta has no issues travelling the world to make her ‘point’. And you don’t need to protest in the country you are protesting about to make your point, so I’d suggest you are just being deliberately pedantic

If you'll remember, she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean (sail power only) to make a speech in New York about Climate change.

[Taffy on the wing]

Wow, really don’t know how to reply sensibly to a statement like that

Rupert Murdoch is to blame for people like him!

[Billy Balfour]

It must be soul-destroying being angry at an ever-changing world and everything in it. The world moves on, always has, always will, but they haven't. Also, it can't be good for their health being so unhappy all the time. They should be happy in their middle and old age, not forlorn.

[Caballo]

If you'll remember, she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean (sail power only) to make a speech in New York about Climate change.

And flew back.

[Billy Balfour]

Sigh. She came back on the Malizia II.

[Billy Balfour]

BTW. Two seconds on Google would have told you so.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sigh. She came back on the Malizia II.

They don't care

They get their news from whichever outlets tell them exactly what they want to hear

You call them out for that, they get all afronted and accuse you of talking down to them

All you can keep doing is just keep telling them the actual truth of what is happening, and the evidence around them

[Rombald]

They don't care

They get their news from whichever outlets tell them exactly what they want to hear

You call them out for that, they get all afronted and accuse you of talking down to them

All you can keep doing is just keep telling them the actual truth of what is happening, and the evidence around them

And they still keep ignoring it. It's beyond ignorance..

[Billy Balfour]

My bad. It was the La Vagabonde she came back on. Anyhow, it's hardly the point. Saying she few back, without even checking the facts, is pretty **** poor.

[RicardoMontalban]

There are bigger things to worry about while you're alive than the possibility of the world under water in 2 billion years, some like to cry about things that wont affect them though, it's similar to the snowflake attitude of being offended on the behalf of others. How about they protest about things that actually matter? like homelessness, war/conflict, Mino Raiola leeching from football?

Like politics, it's for bored people, looking for something meaningless to bicker and whinge about. The media will run with it for clicks and news needs something to report. These rednecks were probably the same idiots who believed the world was gonna end a few years ago.

This is just mind blowing levels of ignorance.

[TheFamilyCat]

I I think if it was global cooling that was the main issue caused by climate change we would be more inclined to take drastic action. We are quite happy to have mild winters in the West to a certain extent however if we had cold summers, then even worse winters the pressure on politicians and consequently polluters etc would be overwhelming.
If youngsters peacefully protest, get a point over without blocking roads,smashing windows etc and most importantly clean up after themselves well good on them.
Perhaps we should move it high up on the national curriculum starting at infants level, perhaps teachers on this board could let us know if this is happening or will happen as my grandchildren never seem to talk about it.

Announced today:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/educ ... ucation--2

[Bigbopper]

If you'll remember, she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean (sail power only) to make a speech in New York about Climate change.

It was an Ocean going Racing Yacht with a crew. You can get a rougher voyage on the Knot End Ferry. Publicity stunt only but loved by all the sandal wearers.

[TheFamilyCat]

It was an Ocean going Racing Yacht with a crew. You can get a rougher voyage on the Knot End Ferry. Publicity stunt only but loved by all the sandal wearers.

It's still a boat you massive bellend.

Yes I know, resorting to insults etc but reasoned, rational and factual debate is wasted on some people.

[Billy Balfour]

Heh.

[Lancasterclaret]

It was an Ocean going Racing Yacht with a crew. You can get a rougher voyage on the Knot End Ferry. Publicity stunt only but loved by all the sandal wearers.

I'm guessing you've never seen a racing yacht at speed then

Seriously impressive to go across the Atlantic not just once, but twice on one of them

[Billy Balfour]

Some desperate stuff on here. They get caught out making it up, and end up looking even more ridiculous trying to defend it. This thread is a classic in the making.

[Damo]

I wonder if George Orwell could have forecast a society that judged open minded people, who think for themselves and take what people financially invested in a topic say with a pinch of salt as stupid and ignorant, by people who believe and parrot everything their favourite source of news/celebrity/multi millionaire says.
Madness

[Lancasterclaret]

I wonder if George Orwell could have forecast a society that judged open minded people, who think for themselves and take what people financially invested in a topic say with a pinch of salt as stupid and ignorant, by people who believe and parrot everything their favourite source of news/celebrity/multi millionaire says.
Madness

I wouldn't mind if people thought for themselves Damo, and came to conclusions after looking at a wide variety of views, and then defended them referencing all those views

But the people on here who regularly come out with the weird stuff don't

It would make it much more interesting place if they did

[TheFamilyCat]

I wonder if George Orwell could have forecast a society that judged open minded people, who think for themselves and take what people financially invested in a topic say with a pinch of salt as stupid and ignorant, by people who believe and parrot everything their favourite source of news/celebrity/multi millionaire says.
Madness

For clarity, who are you defining as "open minded" and those who "believe and parrot everything"?

[Bigbopper]

It's still a boat you massive bellend.

Yes I know, resorting to insults etc but reasoned, rational and factual debate is wasted on some people.

It was a Racing Yacht that was fact. She came back on a Catamaran that is fact. Another fact is that both boats cost a fortune . People make it sound like some massive feat of seamanship. Now if she had rowed across single-handed I would say "well done".

[AlargeClaret]

Who are the left ranting on about here ? Do people really think that anyone but a microscopic/nano loon community isn’t aware of climate change and man’s contribution to it? I’m also sure all the MSM are pretty strongly behind measures to redress the massive issues and a mighty world joint effort is needed . Being preached to by a screechy non binary teenager whose life experience is somewhat lacking is just not everyone’s cup of tea . Though it appears some Middle Ages left wing perverts like that sort of thing

IMO it’s the issues such as world population growth ( breathtaking ) which desperately need addressing alongside carbon emissions etc .

[RingoMcCartney]

While the gobby green zealots go round insulting those they accuse of being "climate deniers " ( they know its a loaded term )


A referendum on net zero?

Some 42% of adults said they supported a vote on the plan, while 30% opposed it, and 28% did not declare a preference. The Telegraph noted that when the “don’t knows” were excluded from the results, a majority of 58% wanted a public vote on the issue.

As per usual the silent majority will let the ballot box do the talking.......

[TheFamilyCat]

It was a Racing Yacht that was fact. She came back on a Catamaran that is fact. Another fact is that both boats cost a fortune . People make it sound like some massive feat of seamanship. Now if she had rowed across single-handed I would say "well done".

Nobody has claimed she skippered the ******* things. She sailed, using wind power. That is the point. What does it matter how much the boats cost?