Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

[Foshiznik]

I must be the only one who thinks we’d played ok,upto the goal!

I agree!

[jedi_master]

Player plays hardly any football and is slated when missing big chances from fans who expect him to fix the problems of a failing team.
Fair assessment?

No he has played plenty for two seasons and spurns almost every opportunity he gets.

[burnleymik]

Never seen such an immobile team or one so reluctant to go forward.

This is proper Dycheball.

[Milltown1882]

Imagine the reaction from our fans if it was Joe Hart that did what Nick Pope did today. Awful.

[KRBFC]

He didn't drop it though did he? It was safely in his hands and it popped out due to the collision with the Newcastle player.

He fell into a Newcastle player and dropped the ball

[jojomk1]

I actually thought we were the best side for most of that first half
Trouble is now, they can improve and not sure we can

[chekhov]

We’re still in it. Just need a bit more calmness on the ball. We’re perhaps getting carried away by the atmosphere.

[Conroy92]

I got ripped apart for saying Vydra was overrated. This is why Dyche doesn’t play him as much as some fans want. Great touch then for some reason decides to slide when shooting.

If he had a class touch and could score regularly he wouldn't be here. Would you swop him for Joelinton? Would anyone on here? Didn't think so!

[SGr]

Say what you want about the goal but we are absolutely inept going forward. Don’t have any faith that a single cross will result in an effort on target. None.

[CombatClaret]

Game has turned sharply.
First 35 we had them & the crowd subdued. Half chances but they were all ours, they didn't get a sniff.

Suddenly Cornet is off and we gift them a goal. Going to be a struggle to come away with a point at this rate.

[SydneyClaret]

Never seen such an immobile team or one so reluctant to go forward.

This is proper Dycheball.

Agreed. It’s pick up ball. Pass around a bit to get in a good crossing position. Pass back 20m cause scared of trying to beat a man. Hoof back upfield.

The only time it was different was when Cornet was on the wing as he’d have a go at beating his man. Unfortunately it turns out he’s got hamstring issues so can’t run.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Clarets dominant in terms of possession (for once), territory and numbers of touches, but what we haven’t done is make enough touches in the final third. Especially on our left the attacks have petered out before then.

Need to get more men forward and ask more questions of that poor defence.

Context - McNeil nor Taylor have touched the ball once within 20 yards of the byline on the left hand side.

[jojomk1]

He fell into a Newcastle player and dropped the ball

You are preaching to the non believers
Let's see what they say on MOTD

[IanMcL]

Pope had the ball until the players head took it out of his hands.

Not the best decision from Pope, however, a worse one from Mason. FK Burnley.

[Conroy92]

No he has played plenty for two seasons and spurns almost every opportunity he gets.

Funny because when he was actually playing he was scoring.
How many minutes has he had this year?
Could you also remind me how many goals he got last year as he spurned nearly every chance?

[Vegas Claret]

the mistake by Pope sums the season up

[ElectroClaret]

I must be the only one who thinks we’d played ok,upto the goal!

I think most people watching will think we've played well, but as said so many times, we need to convert chances.

[SGr]

We’re still in it. Just need a bit more calmness on the ball. We’re perhaps getting carried away by the atmosphere.

Atmosphere we’re not playing Red Star Belgrade ffs

[Iloveyoubrady]

Gudmundsson excellent, McNeil far too safe, wood and Vydra awful. Cornet looks our only goalscorer these days. What’s happened to wood, he is miles off it. I’m a big fan of his but he’s ******* awful at the moment.

Praying cornet isn’t out for long, you could tell he’d score today.

[BabylonClaret]

Totally don't deserve to be behind here. But Vydra simply HAS to get that on target there. He had loads of space

[brexit]

I must be the only one who thinks we’d played ok,upto the goal!

We have played this way for the last 6 matches we just don't make or take chances at the moment,

[taio]

Imagine the reaction from our fans if it was Joe Hart that did what Nick Pope did today. Awful.

Thought he was a little unfortunate - claimed the ball with two hands but landed on the opposition player causing him to spill it. Never a foul though. Hard to overly criticise and suggest he should've punched it given how proficient and consistent he is at claiming high balls.

[chekhov]

You are preaching to the non believers
Let's see what they say on MOTD

To be fair I don’t think anyone said Pope was fouled.

[ElectroClaret]

Pope had the ball until the players head took it out of his hands.

Pope fell onto the player.
Pope's fault.

[scouseclaret]

Its not a foul on Pope for me - always thought keepers are overprotected - but in the vast majority of cases those sort of incidents get given as fouls.

[tiger76]

I must be the only one who thinks we’d played ok,upto the goal!

We played ok for the first half hour, then Cornet goes off injured and we look toothless up top, even so it took a huge error by Pope to gift them their goal, and we have created chances, we just need to believe we can get back into this Newcastle are no great shakes, but we need to step up 2nd half and trouble their defence, a true test of character now for this team, but it is only 1-0, and it's been an even contest, so all isn't lost yet.

[karatekid]

Commentator said “ Newcastle have been poor but they have the lead”. Says a lot.

[Zlatan]

It’s the inconsistency for me. If Vydra heading the keepers hand a few weeks back (keeper punched Vydra of course) and keepers gets the free kick then surely Pope was fouled there. He wouldn’t have “spilled” the ball (from 2 hands) without the challenge

[taio]

He fell into a Newcastle player and dropped the ball

Can't see anyone disputing that

[SalisburyClaret]

Newcastle dangerous on the break otherwise it’s been our half. Poor from Vydra though
Taylor and JBG doing well

[joey13]

If he had a class touch and could score regularly he wouldn't be here. Would you swop him for Joelinton? Would anyone on here? Didn't think so!

Utter nonsense, he’s playing in the Premier league, controlling the ball is a basic

[chekhov]

Atmosphere we’re not playing Red Star Belgrade ffs

Are you there? The atmosphere sounds terrific on my tinny sounding laptop, but it could be my imagination I admit.

[Andreshotboots]

I actually thought we were the best side for most of that first half
Trouble is now, they can improve and not sure we can

I agree but had 3 good chances with Cornet's header and early one. First goal was crucial in this game. Turned out to be a disastrous half now with gifting them a goal, and cornet off who couldn't even walk up the tunnel unaided.

In saying that they'll be nervous as hell trying to get this win so if we stay calm,. We've a chance..

[Rowls]

From Law 12:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

It's a foul. There's little room for ambiguity in the laws of the game there.

Yet again, VAR has gone against us.

[Tribesmen]

Look only HT got to keep St Max quite and keep plugging away we are not beat yet .
Strong Jaw

[jedi_master]

Funny because when he was actually playing he was scoring.
How many minutes has he had this year?
Could you also remind me how many goals he got last year as he spurned nearly every chance?

He’s got 7 goals in 71 games for us in the competition that matters (league). A lot of sub appearances there, but he misses sitters in those too (3-3 with Palace a very good example) so they’re just as relevant.

To put this into context, James Tarkowski has scored the same amount of league goals in the same seasons Vydra has been here. From centre back. I would also never even think of terming Tarky a ‘goalscoring defender’.

[KRBFC]

It’s the inconsistency for me. If Vydra heading the keepers hand a few weeks back (keeper punched Vydra of course) and keepers gets the free kick then surely Pope was fouled there. He wouldn’t have “spilled” the ball (from 2 hands) without the challenge

There wasn't any challenge....

[IanMcL]

Utter nonsense, he’s playing in the Premier league, controlling the ball is a basic

He does far more than control the ball.

He finds the right space, makes excellent runs and has a deft first touch.

[PeterWilton]

Imagine the reaction from our fans if it was Joe Hart that did what Nick Pope did today. Awful.

That would've been a lot of fun to read.

[Blyclaret]

No foul
Pope comes claims the ball as as he comes down the ball hits off the head of the Newcastle player.
Pope if anything should have punched the ball clear.
On the game over all. Two bad teams. Easy to see why both are in bottom 3.
Not confident at this stage we can score.
No invention. Long balls to strikers. Nothing else

[taio]

From Law 12:



It's a foul. There's little room for ambiguity in the laws of the game there.

Yet again, VAR has gone against us.

He wasn't challenged by an opponent so that extract isnt relevant. Never a foul. Just unfortunate.

[Longsidebovril]

Best 45 of the season coming up.

This is it.

I can feel it.

[Rowls]

Can't see anyone disputing that

Not relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"

Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.

It's a foul.

VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.

Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.

[Zlatan]

There wasn't any challenge....

Have you seen it? I admit I haven’t, but I’m going off commentary from Phil Bird and also the Sky team - both said Pope had it in 2 hands and was challenged in the air. I’ll reserve judgement then till I’ve seen it

[BabylonClaret]

Still 45 mins to go. We can win this yet.

[CombatClaret]

From Law 12:
It's a foul. There's little room for ambiguity in the laws of the game there.
Yet again, VAR has gone against us.

Key part here "A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s)."

He wasn't challenged, he fell into an opposition player.

[taio]

Not relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"

Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.

It's a foul.

VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.

Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.

X fell on Y doesn't constitute a challenge by Y

I couldn't give a toss about pundits "opinions" - I have eyes

[FCBurnley]

McNeil 1 assist in 15 games. Works really hard defensively but surely his best asset is going forward and getting great crosses in. Has Dyche changed him to a defender ?

[joey13]

He does far more than control the ball.

He finds the right space, makes excellent runs and has a deft first touch.

Really , missed 3 golden chances in the last 3 games

[Taffy on the wing]

Let the whining begin.......usual suspects!.......Fair-weather fans.