Ashes test 1…..

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:31 pm

Makes a welcome change to see England fighting back, well done Malan & Root, however the morning session will be key, if this pair can bat through until lunch and survive the new ball, then we just might see the Aussies searching for wickets as England start building a lead.

Just a shame England always seem to wait until the 2nd innings before showing we can actually bat, mind you it was important we displayed some spirit and weren't rolled over for a 2nd time.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:08 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:15 am
Of course it could turn out different but no captain in the world would bat 2nd with our fragile batting line up.

That seems very strange logic to me. Why would you expose a fragile batting line-up to a good pace attack in very seam favorable conditions on day one, when all the indications were that batting conditions would be significantly better on days 2 and 3?
Additionally, had we made the most of those day 1 conditions, seized the initative, and bowled Australia out for less than 200 then psychologically there would have been less pressure on our upper order.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:59 pm

Thought I'd stay up for the first hour tonight, looks like I've jinxed us!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:59 pm

Disappointing start - both Malan & Root gone with only nine added.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:01 am

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:59 pm
Thought I'd stay up for the first hour tonight, looks like I've jinxed us!

I usually get the first session in until lunch but gave it up last night when we lost our first wicket. I was confident I’d see Malan & Root both get centuries this morning but only five runs between them.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:03 am

Well that’s a blow

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:04 am

Could be over today now. Stokes & Buttler need a big day.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:04 am

Disastrous now. Pope gone. 234/5.

Gunfury · Post by **Gunfury** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:04 am

Here comes the famous England collapse

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:08 am

Everyone who went to bed early last night…. Go to bed now!!!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:13 am

3 very poor dismissals.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:21 am

About to witness a Stokes masterclass

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:35 am

Cracking coverage now with one camera

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:38 am

Been really excited for this all day after last night. Generators gone and they don't have a back up so is it 6 more hours of this?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:43 am

It does pose the question whether games should continue without the technology? When we have made the game so much about it.

It can't be right that some batsman can overturn decisions and some just have to accept the home umpires decision.

Same in football with VAR. If some goals don't get checked and some do. It's farcial.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:44 am

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:38 am
Been really excited for this all day after last night. Generators gone and they don't have a back up so is it 6 more hours of this?

I’m giving up on it now. You can’t really watch it and Cook & Harmison are in the same boat.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:00 am

Stokes gone, still 12 behind. Pictures back.

And it’s goodnight from me.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:01 am

Just need these two to dig in and put another 300 on and we’re well in this.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:17 am

Buttler gone. 268-7, and still behind by 10, this is all over bar the shouting I'm afraid.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:24 am

Still plenty of runs, no, wickets, no, overs left.
Oh dear.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:45 am

They really are a disappointing group of softies...no grit.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:00 am

Broad really should have played.

Still might Snow Later............

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:05 am

9 down.

Funny how our spinner gets whacked everywhere and Lyonshall has 4 so far and turning the ball.

Oops. All over as I type!

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:14 am

But it did take Lyon almost a year to get one wicket!!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:31 am

Got up early but they didn't wait for me...

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:59 am

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:31 am
Got up early but they didn't wait for me...

Ditto

I 90% expected it tbh

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:50 am

Is ‘England slump to first Ashes defeat after collapse’ the most predictable headline of 2021?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:53 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:50 am
Is ‘England slump to first Ashes defeat after collapse’ the most predictable headline of 2021?

Second most predictable after "Boris Lies About [insert subject here]"

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:13 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:00 am
Stokes gone, still 12 behind. Pictures back.

And it’s goodnight from me.

My head finally hit the pillow after Buttler was out. What a shocking effort. I wasn't expecting us to save the match but that weak surrender was pathetic.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:23 am

If it's any consolation, the England cricketers got fined 100% of their match fee.

For a crap performance and slow over rates.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:38 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:23 am
If it's any consolation, the England cricketers got fined 100% of their match fee.

For a crap performance and slow over rates.

We didn't get much right did we?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:03 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:38 am
We didn't get much right did we?

No

There's a lot wrong with this team.

Batting- We play far too many defensive shots to balls not hitting the wickets. No point whatsoever

Fielding- we drop 1 in 3 catches. Run out chances with direct hits are as poor as I've seen for a long while. I can't remember us last hitting the stumps, we seem to waste 3 or 4 a game.

Bowling- lack a spinner but seam bowling fine, just a little unfit or injury prone.

International cricketers shouldn't need to be technically coached by the time they get to this standard but we keep making basic errors.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:28 am

Good post tempo upthecolne

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:03 am
No

There's a lot wrong with this team.

Batting- We play far too many defensive shots to balls not hitting the wickets. No point whatsoever

Fielding- we drop 1 in 3 catches. Run out chances with direct hits are as poor as I've seen for a long while. I can't remember us last hitting the stumps, we seem to waste 3 or 4 a game.

Bowling- lack a spinner but seam bowling fine, just a little unfit or injury prone.

International cricketers shouldn't need to be technically coached by the time they get to this standard but we keep making basic errors.

All that just about sums it up and never more so than the lack of a spinner. Do we really not have anyone good enough to step into that position?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:18 pm
All that just about sums it up and never more so than the lack of a spinner. Do we really not have anyone good enough to step into that position?

Not unless Parkinson has a go, they think he bowls too slow but he's our best chance of a wicket. Even Nathan Lyon averages over 32 per wicket so I'm not sure it's a must over there. Root can bowl a few overs when needed.

Just go with our strength of seam bowling like the West Indies did.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:24 pm

Said to Mrs Culm before retiring last night that we would lose two quick wickets and be all out for 200 and something. If we escape with anything less than 0-5 it will be a minor miracle. A mismatch akin to England women and Latvia.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:29 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:03 am
No

There's a lot wrong with this team.

Batting- We play far too many defensive shots to balls not hitting the wickets. No point whatsoever

Fielding- we drop 1 in 3 catches. Run out chances with direct hits are as poor as I've seen for a long while. I can't remember us last hitting the stumps, we seem to waste 3 or 4 a game.

Bowling- lack a spinner but seam bowling fine, just a little unfit or injury prone.

International cricketers shouldn't need to be technically coached by the time they get to this standard but we keep making basic errors.

Can't bat, can't catch, and yes the lack of a true world class spinner is hurting this England side, in seamer friendly conditions at home it's not usually a issue, but overseas it's proving a real problem.

1 win in our last 10 tests, and if we succumb to a heavy defeat in this series you do wonder whether Root will be replaced as skipper.

Although Australia comfortably won in the end, England had moments where they were in the game, the Warner dismissal of the no ball was a big turning point, as was the 7th wicket stand when Australia were 236-6, and only 89 ahead at that time, then again when Malan and Root were compiling their large stand on day 3, however as is often the case when Australia needed a wicket or a partnership they delivered, and yet again when the pressure was applied England meekly collapsed.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:55 pm

Root on the radio claiming we were unlucky.
Leaving your best 2 bowlers in the stand isn't unlucky
Losing by 9 wickets isn't unlucky.
Choosing to bat on a green wicket in overcast conditions isn't unlucky.
Your opening bat being bowled first ball of the series and scoring 13 in the second innings isn't bad luck
Being 11-3 isn't bad luck
Losing 8 wickets for 70 odd runs isn't bad luck

It's **** poor captaincy,batting, fielding and team selection.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:26 pm

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:55 pm
Root on the radio claiming we were unlucky.
Leaving your best 2 bowlers in the stand isn't unlucky
Losing by 9 wickets isn't unlucky.
Choosing to bat on a green wicket in overcast conditions isn't unlucky.
Your opening bat being bowled first ball of the series and scoring 13 in the second innings isn't bad luck
Being 11-3 isn't bad luck
Losing 8 wickets for 70 odd runs isn't bad luck

It's **** poor captaincy,batting, fielding and team selection.

Think he must have meant they were unlucky to have been allowed in Australia to play cricket!!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:36 pm

The seam bowlers were unlucky. I think they beat the edge around 25 times each as well as drop catches.

We batted that poor the toss didn't make one bit of difference and the expectations on Broad and Anderson are far too unrealistic.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:48 am

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:55 pm
Root on the radio claiming we were unlucky.
Leaving your best 2 bowlers in the stand isn't unlucky
Losing by 9 wickets isn't unlucky.
Choosing to bat on a green wicket in overcast conditions isn't unlucky.
Your opening bat being bowled first ball of the series and scoring 13 in the second innings isn't bad luck
Being 11-3 isn't bad luck
Losing 8 wickets for 70 odd runs isn't bad luck

It's **** poor captaincy,batting, fielding and team selection.

Spot on and I'm heartily sick of the excuses this England camp keep making, the stark reality is we simply aren't good enough in this format of the game.

About the only thing Root seems to be good at is winning the toss, but if you then make the wrong call it doesn't really matter whether you win the toss or not.

The real worry is Australia won comfortably without playing at their optimum, I sense they have another gear or two should they require it, whereas England even at our best won't win in Australian conditions.

This should come as no surprise, as it's worth remembering Australia dominated most of the 2019 series in England, and it was only Ben Stokes heroics, and some poor fielding by Lyon that allowed England to win that 3rd test, and breathe new life into that series, however this Australian outfit now is a more balanced unit, and not as reliant on Steve Smith to score big, as illustrated by Travis Head making a match winning 150, when England couldn't even match his total in our entire 1st innings effort.

Changes will happen for Adelaide, but even with Anderson & Broad returning, unless England can actually put a decent total on the board, I somehow doubt it'll make that much difference.

Burns & Leach are 2 that should definitely drop out, who opens alongside Hameed is another

, but Burns has had a good run at the top of the order, and he simply hasn't delivered consistently enough, Leach I see no point in playing if Adelaide is likely to be a seamer's paradise, and the Aussies will happily cream him to all parts and force him out the attack without any qualms.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:23 am

I think the biggest difference is the batting departments.

For all Roots failings as a captain, he’s a world class batsmen undoubtedly. The issue we will always have in this series is we have one world class player, the Aussies have 3.

The vast majority of the time, at least one of either Smith, Warner or Labuschagne will contribute runs, like 2 of them did in the first series and one failed, giving them a good platform with others contributing, obviously one with a century.

Our massive problem is we only have Root at the moment who is world class. Stokes looks miles off international cricket and by the time he’s up to speed the series will have gone. The only other top quality player I would say we have is Malan, but he’s nowhere near the levels of the Aussie big 3.

I would love to see an overall percentage of runs per Englands totals Root has scored over the last 18 months, I bet it’s a staggering amount, and there lies the problems..