Everton postponement rejected

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:57 pm

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:44 pm
Team's that can't make a team from the massive amount of players registered with them should have to forfeit the game and the 3 point's given to the other team, injuries shouldn't come into it.

Absolutely. If this was the case, there wouldn’t be any postponements at all, all the games would’ve been played. The PL have made a complete and utter load of ******** of this.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:58 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:53 pm
The Premier League.

Ah, I see. So you meant 'they've'. 'We've' made it sound like you were referring to Burnley.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:05 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:58 pm
Ah, I see. So you meant 'they've'. 'We've' made it sound like you were referring to Burnley.

Yes badly worded, but we are part of the Premier League so I used "we".

Either way, the way things are heading, the only feasible action will be to abandon the season. Sh1tshow.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:15 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Yes I am sure they have let loads of kids get a few mins here and there.

It’s just a bit of a joke.

The team that Everton put out is going to feel like a league cup game rather than a game in the best league in the world.

Look it’s great for us but it makes a mockery of the league

28 players used, 26 of them outfield players, only 4 of them could be construed as "kids getting a few minutes". Sims, Branthwaite, Onyango, and Dobbin. And Sims and Branthwaite have both started games this season.

They certainly, if Benitez's other figures are to believed, got 11 senior outfield pros plus those four youngsters; if any of the injuries or illnesses are among those four, then they have 12+3 or 13+2. They only need 10 plus subs. I don't see how it's any less of a joke that teams like Burnley should play excessive numbers of matches later in the season because teams like Everton don't think their squad is good enough.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:20 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:03 pm
You'd have thought clubs would have to provide documentary proof of any positive test.
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However, that can no doubt be easily rigged by any club.

Media reports earlier in the week explained that the reason it took the Premier League 2 and a half hours to decide on Villa's request to postpone was that they were examining the documentation that demonstrated that Villa had the c-19 cases they said they had. I think there was something similar said about Watford, but in their case, it was about all the players that need to isolate having been in contact with one positive case.

I've also seen mention of Premier League "covid observer" at each club - their role being to check on compliance with the c-19 rules established by the Premier League. Anyone any more information how this works?

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:23 pm

Any more games off and we are not going to be very match sharp. Think it could be a low crowd if on with the case numbers about.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:23 pm
Any more games off and we are not going to be very match sharp. Think it could be a low crowd if on with the case numbers about.

Yes that's my fear also, although believe or not it's only 11 days since we played West Ham, even though it feels like a lifetime ago now.

Tend to agree with a low crowd, especially as there seems to severe doubts about whether the fixture will actually go ahead, so not surprisingly many folks just won't take the risk of being left high and dry at the last minute yet again.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Everton don't even need to come up with covid cases. Thye can claim niggles have been picked up in training and now don't have the required number of players available. They clearly don't want to play...so they will find a way.

They won't want to risk playing us under strength especially as they will have this pencilled in as a reasonably good chance of 3pts.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:39 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:20 pm
Media reports earlier in the week explained that the reason it took the Premier League 2 and a half hours to decide on Villa's request to postpone was that they were examining the documentation that demonstrated that Villa had the c-19 cases they said they had. I think there was something similar said about Watford, but in their case, it was about all the players that need to isolate having been in contact with one positive case.

I've also seen mention of Premier League "covid observer" at each club - their role being to check on compliance with the c-19 rules established by the Premier League. Anyone any more information how this works?

Covid paperwork is one thing, but how can you ever verify as to whether a player has an injury or not?

We know SD likes to give players longer to recover than many other managers, rather than rush them back, so what are the guidelines when it comes to injuries alongside cases of Covid?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:48 pm

When we play these games in hand everyone will have strengthened their squads in the January window (more than we will have done) plus have their injured players back - It ain’t right

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:04 pm

If games are cancelled individually, does that mean there won't be a TV rebate like there is for a full on suspension of games?

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:04 pm
If games are cancelled individually, does that mean there won't be a TV rebate like there is for a full on suspension of games?

Probably......

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:23 pm

The funny thing is, the big clubs won’t be standing up for Burnley and our small squad at the end of the season when we are struggling to field a side with the backlog of fixtures, yet we are supposed to feel sorry for them with their huge squads

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:41 pm

They can just say they have X number of unvaccinated players who now need to self isolate.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:59 pm

27 in their PL squad, so minus 11 leaves 16, what's the problem?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:00 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:41 pm
They can just say they have X number of unvaccinated players who now need to self isolate.

This is surely where the system is open to abuse.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:01 pm

Its about time the Premier League told these so called "big" clubs to put up or shut up ... tell them to fulfill the fixtures or forfeit the points ...

UTC

strayclaret · Post by **strayclaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:09 pm

No problem Rafas already making noises. How come we don’t have any??
Sounds like cheating to me

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:12 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:01 pm
Its about time the Premier League told these so called "big" clubs to put up or shut up ... tell them to fulfill the fixtures or forfeit the points ...

UTC

Do Watford, Villa, Leeds and Brentford fall under that category now? Or are you just talking nonsense?

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:20 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:40 pm
Apparently Everton have had a request to postpone the game rejected

Ah, but they are not Man U, who apparently only had one player sick but were granted a postponement.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:00 pm
This is surely where the system is open to abuse.

And as someone said above, what’s to stop a club saying another player has picked up a knock in training. I’m not one for conspiracy theories but I’m cynical enough to think that clubs will engineer situations if it suits them.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:26 pm

Rombald wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:17 pm
Benitez has made it clear he wants it off

And that's that then. May as well plan which films we're going to watch

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:28 pm

strayclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:09 pm
How come we don’t have any??

If Sean Dyche told you to be careful and avoid the virus, what would you do?

AshevilleNCClaret · Post by **AshevilleNCClaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:30 pm

I don’t see why the PL can’t seem to rearrange the schedule and have teams that have full squads play each other. I know theirs logistics involved but would seem a no brainer than trying to squeeze in games at the end of the season

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:47 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:30 pm
I don’t see why the PL can’t seem to rearrange the schedule and have teams that have full squads play each other.

Stop talking "common sense"

How would the Far East Betting cartels deal with that?

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:56 pm

Pity this wasn't a cup game then Everton could of played their u23 squad

depechedingle · Post by **depechedingle** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:02 pm

I think it's almost inevitable we won't get this game played on Boxing Day.

Hoping reverse psychology

works here.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:06 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Tend to agree with a low crowd, especially as there seems to severe doubts about whether the fixture will actually go ahead, so not surprisingly many folks just won't take the risk of being left high and dry at the last minute yet again.

If it weren’t at home, and I didn’t live locally, there’s no way I’d take the risk after the Villa debacle. Could completely understand those with any traveling

Bit disappointed the club has offered no update on what they’ve attempted to do about that. In reality there may be little they or the PL could do, but it’d have been good to hear they’d pushed for a rule change to prevent fans from being inconvenienced so badly (or compensated by the PL).

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:09 pm

As mentioned above Everton have made their position quite clear and will no doubt develop a few more injuries overnight.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:09 pm

Living in Leeds but spending Boxing Day with parents in Trawden, a postponement would be a frustrating, yet minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of all things Christmas, for me personally. Right now, I’m thinking of those fans in Central and northern Scotland, South Wales, Cornwall, London etc, who are planning to come to the game. I just hope that many of them are traveling to see family and friends, as well as the football game. Communication could be better from the club but I can see how much of a difficult situation they too, find themselves in.

J

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:24 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:28 pm
If Sean Dyche told you to be careful and avoid the virus, what would you do?

The virus is vaccinated against Sean Dyche.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:32 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:48 pm
When we play these games in hand everyone will have strengthened their squads in the January window (more than we will have done) plus have their injured players back - It ain’t right

That’s my fear. In my opinion, injuries and illness should not factor in consideration of postponements. They’d have occurred anyway and clubs would otherwise have dealt with them.

Nor should contact isolations count where the players isolation status has been negatively impacted by being unvaccinated (I’m not actually sure what the rules are currently, but if they were 7 days for everyone and 10 days for unvaccinated, I’d argue the latter 3 days should not count).

So in effect the question posing the PL is “has Covid materially negatively impacted the clubs ability to field a team?” If they’ve got 12 out, fine. Four or five and tough, in my opinion.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:36 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:09 pm
Living in Leeds but spending Boxing Day with parents in Trawden, a postponement would be a frustrating, yet minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of all things Christmas, for me personally. Right now, I’m thinking of those fans in Central and northern Scotland, South Wales, Cornwall, London etc, who are planning to come to the game. I just hope that many of them are traveling to see family and friends, as well as the football game. Communication could be better from the club but I can see how much of a difficult situation they too, find themselves in.

J

Absolutely. The club should have pushed for, and the PL adopted, a cut off point after which they will not cancel and both clubs are committed to playing the game, regardless. The disruption to us and Watford fans by late postponements should not be allowed to continue.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:40 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:24 pm
The virus is vaccinated against Sean Dyche.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:44 pm

I don’t think I’ll be bothering with the drive over from Leeds. Everton probably only need a couple more COVID cases for the game to be called off. Not worth the hassle incase it’s called off an hour or two before kick off. Shame

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:05 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:06 pm
If it weren’t at home, and I didn’t live locally, there’s no way I’d take the risk after the Villa debacle. Could completely understand those with any traveling

Bit disappointed the club has offered no update on what they’ve attempted to do about that. In reality there may be little they or the PL could do, but it’d have been good to hear they’d pushed for a rule change to prevent fans from being inconvenienced so badly (or compensated by the PL).

To me there should be a reasonable window if teams want games called off, for example the Everton game is a 3PM KO, so the latest they can announce an abandonment is say 9-10AM on the day of the game, now that wouldn't be ideal for everyone, but it would be an improvement on the farces we've witnessed in recent weeks.

The fans appear to be at the bottom of the pecking order sadly, when they should be at the top.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:14 pm

It's just rubbish all round.

I can thankfully get to the game easily with little inconvenience/notice required but it's not what we want as fans and it's no good with those who have further to travel.

It's good to see games that aren't going ahead getting called off in good time for fans - albeit disappointing at the same time.

I'm not even sure what the threshold is for a game to be played now. Is it 14 players from seniors and u23s?

Do we have to register my details again with the club - or does the one I completed for Watford game still apply?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:17 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:32 pm
That’s my fear. In my opinion, injuries and illness should not factor in consideration of postponements. They’d have occurred anyway and clubs would otherwise have dealt with them.

Nor should contact isolations count where the players isolation status has been negatively impacted by being unvaccinated (I’m not actually sure what the rules are currently, but if they were 7 days for everyone and 10 days for unvaccinated, I’d argue the latter 3 days should not count).

So in effect the question posing the PL is “has Covid materially negatively impacted the clubs ability to field a team?” If they’ve got 12 out, fine. Four or five and tough, in my opinion.

Indeed! I recall we travelled to Leicester last season with a patched up side, Dunne and Kev Long started at CB, and we had a few others out, plus 3 youngsters on the bench, yet we still fulfilled the fixture.

West Brom and the 4-0 mauling when also were down to the bare bones comes to mind as well, but on both occasions we fulfilled our commitments.

So I ponder why should COVID absentees be treated any different to players who are injured, if Everton have a large number of players unavailable that's unfortunate, but I'm sure amongst their 1st team and academy they could muster a side if they really wanted to.

I don't think Everton have deliberately engineered this situation, however the timing is incredibly convenient regarding the match not going ahead isn't it considering their lengthy injury list, and us boasting a fully fit squad pretty much.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:20 pm

Even if it goes ahead and they only have half a team we'll probably still not beat them

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:22 pm

clarethomer wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:14 pm
It's just rubbish all round.

I can thankfully get to the game easily with little inconvenience/notice required but it's not what we want as fans and it's no good with those who have further to travel.

It's good to see games that aren't going ahead getting called off in good time for fans - albeit disappointing at the same time.

I'm not even sure what the threshold is for a game to be played now. Is it 14 players from seniors and u23s?

Do we have to register my details again with the club - or does the one I completed for Watford game still apply?

Not certain on the threshold, but I thought it was 13 outfield players plus a keeper.

And if this game is getting scrubbed then the PL should inform travelling fans ASAP.

Can't help you regarding registering your details I'm afraid, hopefully someone in the know will be able to advise you.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:25 pm

Firthy wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:20 pm
Even if it goes ahead and they only have half a team we'll probably still not beat them

Perhaps not and then we'd be firmly at fault for not taking advantage of our golden chance of 3 points, but we'll probably never stand a better chance of beating them than BD, hence why Rafa is determined to get it delayed.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:34 pm

I’m sure clubs don’t initially intend to get games postponed, but the cynic in me can’t help but think they may reach a tipping point with covid cases plus injuries that they decide to throw in the extra casualty in order to get a game put off.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:22 pm

I am not saying that this is some sort of con but I predict either one of the following will happen…

1, The match will be postponed (most likely)
or
2. The match will be played against a surprisingly strong Everton team.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:23 pm

I really don't understand why my post, a simple question about the verification of injuries, got pulled..
I've seen some horrible stuff on here get accepted

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:28 pm

sky sports news reporting Benitez has confirmed calvert lewin back in contention for the game

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:33 pm

A game against Everton reserves and rearranged games against Villa and Watford with Cornet fully fit could save our seasons. Happy days

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:11 pm

Benitez is making enough noise to get the game called off. He only needs a couple of Covid cases now and the game will be postponed, possibly tomorrow.....

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:14 pm

They should be made to play, no matter what. These teams are happy to play reserves and using players in the League Cup and FA Cup, so they must swallow prem as well.

Same applies to us and every other club. Take it on the chin.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:39 pm

clarethomer wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:14 pm
Do we have to register my details again with the club - or does the one I completed for Watford game still apply?

I asked the club this, and actually got a reply

which was

as it currently stands, you don't have to pre-register for each game.

However this may change in the future - if it does, we will provide an update.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:39 pm

We are lucky this pandemic seems, thus far, to be taking place during relatively mild winters.

Just been watching a documentary on BBC4 retelling the Big Freeze of 1963 during which over 500 football fixtures had to be postponed.

Bought back some chilling memories though, leaving the gas oven alight and the oven door open just to get some warmth.