Attendances

[KRBFC]

We have punched well above our weight per capita for attendances and still do. That is very hard to maintain over a long period of time. Our fanbase has been miraculous with the percentage of the town going to matches if you think about it but life moves on and there are a lot more things you could be doing now and especially when the football that is on offer, even when we are doing well, is mind-numbing!

Burnley fans these days, are also like the 'prawn sandwich brigade' (all be it Aldi or Lidl prawns) and have lost something. They have become comfortable! 30 years ago, the fans would have made SD's life a misery and drove him out by now... We don't have anywhere near the same passion we had, even from 15, 20 years ago.

The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise. Since Coyle left, the atmosphere has never been the same. It's near impossible to replicate that cup run, promotion season and style of play though. Absolutely unstoppable attacking unit at times, we were very solid defensively too. Chelsea away in the cup looked incredible, I was at Spurs away and the atmosphere despite losing was brilliant. Arsenal home in cup i was there, Man united home.

That 2009 Coyle team costs 2% of what Dyche has spent on fees and wages but it rips this current team a new arsehole. Despite player for player 09 being worse.

[KRBFC]

the media loved us during that cup run, incredibly entertaining we were. Coyle put us back on the map!

The football has been flat and boring since

[fidelcastro]

The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise. Since Coyle left, the atmosphere has never been the same. It's near impossible to replicate that cup run, promotion season and style of play though. Absolutely unstoppable attacking unit at times, we were very solid defensively too. Chelsea away in the cup looked incredible, I was at Spurs away and the atmosphere despite losing was brilliant. Arsenal home in cup i was there, Man united home.

That 2009 Coyle team costs 2% of what Dyche has spent on fees and wages but it rips this current team a new arsehole. Despite player for player 09 being worse.

Sorry. Did I just read that you said we were solid defensively under Coyle?

We weren't good defensively in either division under him.

[KRBFC]

Sorry. Did I just read that you said we were solid defensively under Coyle?

We weren't good defensively in either division under him.

Towards the end in promotion season we were very solid.

[matttheclaret]

Towards the end in promotion season we were very solid.

We were. For those last 6/7 games in 08/09. They were very much the exception to the rule though

[gawthorpe_view]

The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise. Since Coyle left, the atmosphere has never been the same.

Pretty sure the Turf was really bouncing during the two promotion seasons since then.

[KRBFC]

We were. For those last 6/7 games in 08/09. They were very much the exception to the rule though

Yeah, we picked up some very good 1-0 wins. away at Brammal Lane when Eagles was unstoppable, Kalvenas at Bloomfield road, that 5-0 pasting of Forest.

[KRBFC]

no it was the home sheff united game that was 1-0 right? midweek fixture

[fidelcastro]

Towards the end in promotion season we were very solid.

Maybe, but overall we weren't good defensively.

Who can forget the 2-0, 3-0, 4-0, 5-0 games in the first four away games in the PL?

Yes, we were relative minnows at that time by top flight standards, but give me Dyche's more pragmatic approach every time when playing the big boys.

[KRBFC]

Maybe, but overall we weren't good defensively.

Who can forget the 2-0, 3-0, 4-0, 5-0 games in the first four away games in the PL?

Yes, we were relative minnows at that time by top flight standards, but give me Dyche's more pragmatic approach every time when playing the big boys.

Oh we were awful away in the PL, no doubt about that. Dyche has had 50x the resources of Coyle though...

[matttheclaret]

Yeah, we picked up some very good 1-0 wins. away at Brammal Lane when Eagles was unstoppable, Kalvenas at Bloomfield road, that 5-0 pasting of Forest.

At Brammal Lane? Was 3-2, not 1-0.

Even in promotion, 16 teams conceded less than us in the Championship that season. We were many things under Coyle, solid certainly wasn't one of them

[KRBFC]

There's not a doubt in my mind we'd have stayed up that season had Kilby sanctioned Weiss, Wilshere and Holden though.

[fidelcastro]

Oh we were awful away in the PL, no doubt about that. Dyche has had 50x the resources of Coyle though...

Still chicken feed compared to most other clubs though.

I would say, given we're still a PL club at the time of posting this, that overall he's spent it pretty well.

[Milltown1882]

At Brammal Lane? Was 3-2, not 1-0.

Even in promotion, 16 teams conceded less than us in the Championship that season. We were many things under Coyle, solid certainly wasn't one of them

That 3-2 Eagles was absolutely unplayable

[KRBFC]

At Brammal Lane? Was 3-2, not 1-0.

Even in promotion, 16 teams conceded less than us in the Championship that season. We were many things under Coyle, solid certainly wasn't one of them

Those numbers inflated from a poor start though, we became relatively solid that season and picked up some big clean sheets particularly towards the back end. 0 goals conceded in the last 5/6 games

[KRBFC]

That 3-2 Eagles was absolutely unplayable

Yeah the midweek home game was 1-0, one of our final games that season. Eagles was also exceptional at Coventry

[Jamesy]

Yeah the midweek home game was 1-0, one of our final games that season. Eagles was also exceptional at Coventry

And that 1-0 home win against Sheffield United was one of the best atmospheres I have experienced at the Turf in recent years. I remember the eeh aye eeh aye oh up the football league we go song being belted out so loud the hairs stood up on the back of my neck. Good times.

[Stayingup]

Oh we were awful away in the PL, no doubt about that. Dyche has had 50x the resources of Coyle though...

But its all relative compared to what EPL clubs have now.

[Dark Cloud]

As Vardy and Evans are long term as is the African tournament how can they play the Covid card for so long ?

Well my "perception" is that several of the recent call offs have revolved around the number of injuries in squads and two or three positive tests on top has been used to get a game rearranged for a time when it better suits. I know it's a bit cynical, but I'm sure all of Watford, Everton and Villa were ubder strength for legitimate reasons when they were due to play us and suddenly developed too many positive Covid tests. Playing the system I believe.

[MACCA]

I'd rather people vote with their feet, rather than go on and vote with their voice.
That's the last thing the team needs right now.

But fair play to the 5k of proper supporters that attended today, the rest are "fair weather" fans apparently according to some and "don't deserve a Premier league club" according to others

But whether you choose to go on 2 games a season or every game, I hope you still make them choices to go on next season in the championship.
Every fan is a needed and wanted fan!

[claptrappers_union]

I reckon there’s only 5,000 Burnley fans who would go to home games through thick and thin.

[fidelcastro]

I reckon there’s only 5,000 Burnley fans who would go to home games through thick and thin.

There were fewer than that yesterday.

[JohnMac]

Pathetic attendance. Huddersfield fans made any noise there was. You just wonder if some of our fans deserve a team in the Premier League - for now. Have to admit we were dreadful today but we had our best three players absent and Wood was missed after half time.

Does anyone know if Huddersfield played a weakened team? If not our first eleven is much better than them.

They made 7 changes for their starting line up.

[JohnMac]

What stood out for me yesterday when walking out of the Turf was the hundreds of kids looking despondent at yet another defeat. Many of them moaning about how rubbish we were etc.

These are the future and they aren't seeing much to keep them interested at the moment.

[tiger76]

What stood out for me yesterday when walking out of the Turf was the hundreds of kids looking despondent at yet another defeat. Many of them moaning about how rubbish we were etc.

These are the future and they aren't seeing much to keep them interested at the moment.

Hmm! that's a worrying sign, and once you lose the younger fanbase it's hard to get them back.

That's certainly something that should concern Mr Pace.

[jrgbfc]

What stood out for me yesterday when walking out of the Turf was the hundreds of kids looking despondent at yet another defeat. Many of them moaning about how rubbish we were etc.

These are the future and they aren't seeing much to keep them interested at the moment.

One of my mates takes his lads to watch Colne FC now. They had season tickets on the Turf but his lads told him they didn't want to go anymore it was that boring.

[bobinho]

I reckon there’s only 5,000 Burnley fans who would go to home games through thick and thin.

May i ask how old you are?

Only asking as it was highlighted (correctly) to me earlier today that history proves that number to be closer to 2000, and possibly even less. Our time in the 4th division could be described as the 'thin'. We most certainly weren't getting near the figure you mention then - not regularly anyway - and it's a time i remember well. I'm wondering whether you remember that time, or whether you are too young.

[KRBFC]

May i ask how old you are?

Only asking as it was highlighted (correctly) to me earlier today that history proves that number to be closer to 2000, and possibly even less. Our time in the 4th division could be described as the 'thin'. We most certainly weren't getting near the figure you mention then - not regularly anyway - and it's a time i remember well. I'm wondering whether you remember that time, or whether you are too young.

that's 3 generations ago, I don't think it's wrong to assume the club has grown since. There was 9000+ under Cotterill, I wouldn't count cup tie attendances.

[bobinho]

But he didn't apply any conditions. 3 generations ago was the 'thin', and it was nowhere near the 5000 stated.

I believe our record home attendance was against Huddersfield in the FA cup. What was our attendance yesterday at home against Huddersfield in the cup?

When the performances drop, so too do the attendances. That will always be the case until we get to the 'thin'. Then we see the real number.

[KRBFC]

But he didn't apply any conditions. 3 generations ago was the 'thin', and it was nowhere near the 5000 stated.

I believe our record home attendance was against Huddersfield in the FA cup. What was our attendance yesterday at home against Huddersfield in the cup?

When the performances drop, so too do the attendances. That will always be the case until we get to the 'thin'. Then we see the real number.

I wouldn't worry about cup game attendances too much, especially under Dyche.

Fans in general are clearly bored of long ball dads army 11, it's the same in football everywhere, fans can tolerate Pulis, Megson, Allardyce etc for a short period of time as a stop gap, any longer and fans will start to vote with their feet.

3 generations ago, most people here weren't even born. Bottom end of the Championship is a better reflection of the ''thin'', given it's been 21+ years in the top 2 divisions. I know people like to harp on and pretend we're back in 1764 and referencing the lowest ever point in the clubs history as some kind of fair reference point but it's really not at all.

[Vegas Claret]

The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise. Since Coyle left, the atmosphere has never been the same. It's near impossible to replicate that cup run, promotion season and style of play though. Absolutely unstoppable attacking unit at times, we were very solid defensively too. Chelsea away in the cup looked incredible, I was at Spurs away and the atmosphere despite losing was brilliant. Arsenal home in cup i was there, Man united home.

That 2009 Coyle team costs 2% of what Dyche has spent on fees and wages but it rips this current team a new arsehole. Despite player for player 09 being worse.

2008/2009 under Coyle we scored 72 and conceded 60 amassing 76 points finishing 6th
2015/16 under Dyche we scored 72 and conceded 35 amassing 93 points and went 23 undefeated winning the league

You are talking rubbish

[Silkyskills1]

I wouldn't worry about cup game attendances too much, especially under Dyche.

Fans in general are clearly bored of long ball dads army 11, it's the same in football everywhere, fans can tolerate Pulis, Megson, Allardyce etc for a short period of time as a stop gap, any longer and fans will start to vote with their feet.

3 generations ago, most people here weren't even born. Bottom end of the Championship is a better reflection of the ''thin'', given it's been 21+ years in the top 2 divisions. I know people like to harp on and pretend we're back in 1764 and referencing the lowest ever point in the clubs history as some kind of fair reference point but it's really not at all.

1764, presumably 1987 most definitely was the lowest point ever in the club's history. There can be no disputing that. It's an irrefutable fact. That was the 'thin'. I'm guessing you weren't around or old enough to go to matches then and that's fair enough but please don't try to alter history or tell someone who was there about something they know all about and you know nothing about.
The 'thick', therefore, has to be 1960 and years either side of it. Again, an irrefutable fact and again I was fortunate enough that my dad and brother made time to take me on the bus from Rossendale to witness that era. Those are my 'reference points' and I suspect those of a number of other fans and posters on here. Anything else in our history pales into insignificance compared to those two eras 27 years or barely just one generation apart. Everyone has their favourite teams,games and memories but they all fall somewhere between those two short eras.

[Boss Hogg]

What stood out for me yesterday when walking out of the Turf was the hundreds of kids looking despondent at yet another defeat. Many of them moaning about how rubbish we were etc.

These are the future and they aren't seeing much to keep them interested at the moment.

Struggling to keep mine interested at the moment. He’s not even that bothered to go next weekend and he was looking forward to it. Even he’s tired of the predictable football, lack of goals and is yet to see us win this season ( missed the Brentford game). It’s hard to win fans back once they’ve gone. Doesn’t matter financially in the Pl but after 4 seasons in the Champ it will. The empty stands yesterday looked pitiful and this is something else that won’t help in attracting good players.

[KRBFC]

2008/2009 under Coyle we scored 72 and conceded 60 amassing 76 points finishing 6th
2015/16 under Dyche we scored 72 and conceded 35 amassing 93 points and went 23 undefeated winning the league

You are talking rubbish

You are talking rubbish, 2015? I said this current team.... like the team right now not 7 years ago

[evensteadiereddie]

That's the point, Boss. Losing sides shed support, winning sides gain it.
It's up to us to keep the faith in the players and management. If you or your lad can't , that's fair enough.

[ClaretTony]

That's great for Accy Clarets, but those games listed are the most popular away games and were very important fixtures in the first half of the season.

We didn't even take the full allocation at OT, as we don't now at the vast majority of away games.

We both know away support is dropping along with the home support.

On the subject of OT, we actually had over 500 more there last week than we did for the 2-0 win.

[Vegas Claret]

You are talking rubbish, 2015? I said this current team.... like the team right now not 7 years ago

your words

"The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise"

of are you changing your point because you've realised you were incorrect ?

[Kazoo]

6.3% of the Newcastle population at St James Park

8.6% of the Burnley population at Turf Moor

Newcastle
Population: ~300,000
Home attendance: 46,565 (51,395 - 4,830)
Percentage: 15.5%

Burnley
Population: ~88,000
Home attendance: ~5654 (7,654 - ~2,030)
Percentage: 6.4%

As usual, VAT added on by our supporters to make us look like we have a better support base than we really do.

[KRBFC]

your words

"The passion has been sucked out of the stadium over the last 10 years despite an incredibly successful decade results wise"

of are you changing your point because you've realised you were incorrect ?

Which point are you arguing im confused?

[evensteadiereddie]

the media loved us during that cup run, incredibly entertaining we were. Coyle put us back on the map!

The football has been flat and boring since

Er......

[KRBFC]

''That 2009 Coyle team costs 2% of what Dyche has spent on fees and wages but it rips this current team a new arsehole''


I thought you were arguing against this point? where I said current team.

[KRBFC]

Er......

Loved that Coyle side, will always have a special place in my heart.

[Vegas Claret]

Which point are you arguing im confused?

agree, must be crossed wires - when I posted the stats I thought it would have been obvious - you said about Coyles team "Absolutely unstoppable attacking unit at times, we were very solid defensively too"

The stats show the Dyche team was way more effective in terms of defence, league position and winning a league. No biggy

[evensteadiereddie]

Obviousy, KBRFC, - and you've not been on since, I take it.

[KRBFC]

agree, must be crossed wires - when I posted the stats I thought it would have been obvious - you said about Coyles team "Absolutely unstoppable attacking unit at times, we were very solid defensively too"

The stats show the Dyche team was way more effective in terms of defence, league position and winning a league. No biggy

but I wasn't making comparison to the Dyche teams, the only comparison I did make was I said this current Dyche team gets smoked by Coyle's 09 side despite way less resources.

[evensteadiereddie]

"the media loved us during that cup run, incredibly entertaining we were. Coyle put us back on the map!

The football has been flat and boring since"


Er......


So how is this not comparing Coyle's to Dyche's teams ?

[Vegas Claret]

but I wasn't making comparison to the Dyche teams, the only comparison I did make was I said this current Dyche team gets smoked by Coyle's 09 side despite way less resources.

great, i was showing you that your " Coyle's team were very sold defensively" was a laughable statement and factually way off the mark. Only 6 teams conceded more than we did that season and 3 of them got relegated

Either way, attendances are dropping now because the football is crap

[KRBFC]

Obviousy, KBRFC, - and you've not been on since, I take it.

Not sure why you would take that rubbish from what I said but you do you, not sure why you're obsessive about other people's attendance. I could've easily shut down Vegas Claret by questioning his attendance, quite frankly it's non of my business, I don't care and I have no intention of arguing with him about that.

[KRBFC]

great, i was showing you that your " Coyle's team were very sold defensively" was a laughable statement and factually way off the mark. Only 6 teams conceded more than we did that season and 3 of them got relegated

Either way, attendances are dropping now because the football is crap

I cleared that up previously further up the thread, in that promotion season we became solid defensively towards the end and picked up some crucial 1-0 wins. 0 goals conceded in the last 6 or 7 games of the season.

[Vegas Claret]

I cleared that up previously further up the thread, in that promotion season we became solid defensively towards the end and picked up some crucial 1-0 wins. 0 goals conceded in the last 6 or 7 games of the season.

glad to know you corrected your statement then