January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Norman]

I'm surprised Newcastle haven't offered us 60 million for Cornet !

I'd accept £99 million just for the comedy value.

[arise_sir_charge]

You say you're not bothered, but who would you bring in?

Managers like Fat Sam want millions to spend like it's sweets so you can count him out.

Lampard, Rooney, Wilder, Cooper, the chap at West Brom
If even be happy to give Bruce a go. Those just off the top of my head.

[Norman]

Lampard, Rooney, Wilder, Cooper, the chap at West Brom
If even be happy to give Bruce a go. Those just off the top of my head.

But can you see if we go down, Dyche is the man who has done it before and trust him to bring us back up? And he has a 5 year contract so would cost a fortune to sack?

You're talking like it's Football Manager.

[Johma]

[Vegas Claret]

But can you see if we go down, Dyche is the man who has done it before and trust him to bring us back up? And he has a 5 year contract so would cost a fortune to sack?

You're talking like it's Football Manager.

In regards to his contract, what happens if we drop and Dyche either doesn't fancy it or someone else comes in for him ? They could agree a mutual departure where he gets paid a portion of his remaining contract - I know the contract will have a compensation clause in it for sure for any suitors

[Norman]

In regards to his contract, what happens if we drop and Dyche either doesn't fancy it or someone else comes in for him ? They could agree a mutual departure where he gets paid a portion of his remaining contract - I know the contract will have a compensation clause in it for sure for any suitors

If Dyche doesn't fancy it, he resigns. We don't pay out his contract.

If someone else comes in for him they pay out his contract.

[SonofPog]

Dyche is the man who's done it before. But in all walks of live, people get too comfortable, things go stale. Do the same thing over and over and you lose that drive.

We probably cant afford to sack him. It might not be the correct thing to do so, Anyway He's still a good manager. But with a potential relegation looming and so many players OOC, it could be a good time to move on for all parties.

[kentonclaret]

Should Burnley be relegated Chris Wood would struggle to reach double figures in the Championship given the same level of service that he is receiving at the moment. This idea that he would be scoring for fun would need a transformation in our playing squad and approach.

[burnleymik]

Just seen one of the Newcastle fans who claims to be "in the know" saying :

Not against Chris Wood by apply logic to the story.
They currently have two fit strikers including Wood.
We offered way over the odds for Tarkowski and they refused to sell to a rival and Wood is way more important #nufc

What did they offer for Tarks? Sorry if I missed it.

This fella for what it's worth: https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/ ... 0791575553

[Spijed]

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[Newcastleclaret93]

Todd Cantwell to newcastle is gaining momentum

[ClaretTony]

One of our Directors is Spanish

That’s because Pace was a student in Barcelona, not Milan.

[taio]

Should Burnley be relegated Chris Wood would struggle to reach double figures in the Championship given the same level of service that he is receiving at the moment. This idea that he would be scoring for fun would need a transformation in our playing squad and approach.

The service to him in the Championship would be better and I'd be stunned if he didn't get double figures if went down and he was still here. The odds for him to score double figures would be very short.

[Norman]

The service to him in the Championship would be better and I'd be stunned if he didn't get double figures if went down and he was still here. The odds for him to score double figures would be very short.

This.

Which is why we'd be mental to sell if we went down, unless he wants out.

[Burnley1989]

The service to him in the Championship would be better and I'd be stunned if he didn't get double figures if went down and he was still here. The odds for him to score double figures would be very short.

Scores 10+ every year in the premier league but would struggle to score 10 playing an extra 8 games at a lower standard, I don’t understand that logic

[jedi_master]

Wood has been useless this season but he’d easily bag 20+ in the Championship. I’d certainly be keeping him for that division as we’d be halfway to a promotion winning team with him in it, if we got him a decent partner.

I’d flog Tarky to them because of his contract situation, and simply because if it somehow comes down to that last game of the season against them, I wouldn’t trust him. If you feel like that about someone, you know it’s time to do a deal.

[Norman]

Scores 10+ every year in the premier league but would struggle to score 10 playing an extra 8 games at a lower standard, I don’t understand that logic

I think you've quoted the wrong poster. It was kentonclaret who wouldn't want him in the Championship.

[taio]

Scores 10+ every year in the premier league but would struggle to score 10 playing an extra 8 games at a lower standard, I don’t understand that logic

Neither do I. He'd score a bag full

[Burnley1989]

I think you've quoted the wrong poster. It was kentonclaret who wouldn't want him in the Championship.

Apologies, I was agreeing with his comment, worded badly

[Burnley1989]

Wood has been useless this season but he’d easily bag 20+ in the Championship. I’d certainly be keeping him for that division as we’d be halfway to a promotion winning team with him in it, if we got him a decent partner.

I’d flog Tarky to them because of his contract situation, and simply because if it somehow comes down to that last game of the season against them, I wouldn’t trust him. If you feel like that about someone, you know it’s time to do a deal.

I’ve a feeling he would get a toe injury with 5-6 games to go so he didn’t risk picking up an injury and ruining his move

[jrgbfc]

Depends on Woods attitude should we go down. I know he's never been the smiliest but his body language this season has been dreadful.

[taio]

Wood has been useless this season but he’d easily bag 20+ in the Championship. I’d certainly be keeping him for that division as we’d be halfway to a promotion winning team with him in it, if we got him a decent partner.

I’d flog Tarky to them because of his contract situation, and simply because if it somehow comes down to that last game of the season against them, I wouldn’t trust him. If you feel like that about someone, you know it’s time to do a deal.

Might be totally wrong but I just can't see why Tarkowski would agree to move to Newcastle in January rather than wait until the summer to see what his options are even if the club agreed to sell

[Norman]

Might be totally wrong but I just can't see why Tarkowski would agree to move to Newcastle in January rather than wait until the summer to see what his options are even if the club agreed to sell

I get your point, but there's also the argument that he takes a massive wage increase now vs wait and Newcastle no longer be interested in the summer. He could be missing his chance of a bigger wage.

[jedi_master]

Might be totally wrong but I just can't see why Tarkowski would agree to move to Newcastle in January rather than wait until the summer to see what his options are even if the club agreed to sell

Possibly so.

This is a totally hypothetical question, but I ask people here their opinion. If we are drawing 0-0 with Newcastle with 2 minutes to go in the last game of the season, we need a win and they just need a draw - one of us is going down - would you trust Tarky to put it away if he had an open goal presented to him in that scenario?

[Taffy on the wing]

OH GOD!.........

[Woodleyclaret]

He buries it, we stay up but he refuses to celebrate and agrees a new contract to stay up.

[arise_sir_charge]

But can you see if we go down, Dyche is the man who has done it before and trust him to bring us back up? And he has a 5 year contract so would cost a fortune to sack?

You're talking like it's Football Manager.

Whether he’s done it before I’m not that fussed now.

It’s boring, fans are finding it tedious and a chore to go to games.

It needs refreshing, those are my suggestions for something that might inject a bit of excitement back into the club.

Also don’t talk ******** about football manager, you asked my opinion and I gave it.

[ClaretTony]

Might be totally wrong but I just can't see why Tarkowski would agree to move to Newcastle in January rather than wait until the summer to see what his options are even if the club agreed to sell

We are assuming here that Newcastle would actually come in with an offer for him

[taio]

We are assuming here that Newcastle would actually come in with an offer for him

Yes, all hypothetical to aid discussion

[joey13]

The fact you're 'not that fussed' about what a player can do says a lot about your opinion.

I've read it and I think you know naff all about football - my opinion and that's whether you asked for it or not

Get back on Football Manager.

Can I ask what your previous user name was ?

[Norman]

Can I ask what your previous user name was ?

Yes.

[joey13]

Yes.

What was your previous user name

[arise_sir_charge]

The fact you're 'not that fussed' about what a player can do says a lot about your opinion.

I've read it and I think you know naff all about football - my opinion and that's whether you asked for it or not

Get back on Football Manager.

What are you talking about you clown?

We were discussing Dyche.

Get back to sleep before the nurse realises your using the internet without permission.

[Norman]

Ramsey still on (this isn't about Sean Dyche)...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17248531 ... on-ramsey/

[arise_sir_charge]

We were discussing the transfer window, you nonce. If we were discussing Dyche it wouldn't be just about Dyche now would it?

Read back out exhanges numb nuts.

Oh and call me a nonce again and I’ll knock all your ******* teeth out.

[joey13]

Villa in advanced negotiations with Digne .

[Spijed]

Ramsey still on (this isn't about Sean Dyche)...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17248531 ... on-ramsey/

It's not written by Alan Nixon though

[Norman]

It's not written by Alan Nixon though

True... False alarm folks... false alarm!

[Paul Waine]

This is one thing I've wanted to know. What's in Cornet's contract? I only questioned a possible relegation-release clause but that was me just suggesting.

What's the release fee? All I know is Lyon is paying a part of his wage.

Hi Norman, I've put it in bold and I'll type it out also, you've said "All I know is Lyon is paying a part of his wage." There are a few other posters who appear to agree with your statement. Newcastle93 says he's heard it is 30%.

Sorry, guys, that is never going to happen. Maxwel Cornet is a Burnley player, signed for Burnley from Lyon. He's not been loaned by Lyon to Burnley. Lyon aren't paying part of his wage. It may be that Maxwel Cornet will receive some compensation from Lyon because they sold him to another club and he'd not asked for a transfer, that's between Maxwel Cornet and Lyon. But, it doesn't mean that Lyon are paying part of his wage as a Burnley player.

I recommend taking a look at the club site. Under Maxwel Cornet's profile it says: "Cornet penned a five-year deal at Turf Moor in the summer of 2021. The Ivory Coast international, who can operate at left-back or left-midfield, joined the Clarets from Ligue 1 side Lyon."

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[IanMcL]

Ramsey still on (this isn't about Sean Dyche)...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17248531 ... on-ramsey/

Just open comments. Had they named Ronaldo or Messi, he would say the same.

[IanMcL]

Spanish TV were suggesting Coutinho had gone to Aston Villa, making way for their new signing from Man City.

[NewClaret]

Villa in advanced negotiations with Digne .

Bloody hell, they are going for it!

[Norman]

Hi Norman, I've put it in bold and I'll type it out also, you've said "All I know is Lyon is paying a part of his wage." There are a few other posters who appear to agree with your statement. Newcastle93 says he's heard it is 30%.

Sorry, guys, that is never going to happen. Maxwel Cornet is a Burnley player, signed for Burnley from Lyon. He's not been loaned by Lyon to Burnley. Lyon aren't paying part of his wage. It may be that Maxwel Cornet will receive some compensation from Lyon because they sold him to another club and he'd not asked for a transfer, that's between Maxwel Cornet and Lyon. But, it doesn't mean that Lyon are paying part of his wage as a Burnley player.

I recommend taking a look at the club site. Under Maxwel Cornet's profile it says: "Cornet penned a five-year deal at Turf Moor in the summer of 2021. The Ivory Coast international, who can operate at left-back or left-midfield, joined the Clarets from Ligue 1 side Lyon."

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Paul to be fair, the club are hardly going to say, "Cornet penned a five-year deal at Turf Moor in the summer of 2021 - and Lyon are still paying some of his feckin wages!"

[Iloveyoubrady]

Hi Norman, I've put it in bold and I'll type it out also, you've said "All I know is Lyon is paying a part of his wage." There are a few other posters who appear to agree with your statement. Newcastle93 says he's heard it is 30%.

Sorry, guys, that is never going to happen. Maxwel Cornet is a Burnley player, signed for Burnley from Lyon. He's not been loaned by Lyon to Burnley. Lyon aren't paying part of his wage. It may be that Maxwel Cornet will receive some compensation from Lyon because they sold him to another club and he'd not asked for a transfer, that's between Maxwel Cornet and Lyon. But, it doesn't mean that Lyon are paying part of his wage as a Burnley player.

I recommend taking a look at the club site. Under Maxwel Cornet's profile it says: "Cornet penned a five-year deal at Turf Moor in the summer of 2021. The Ivory Coast international, who can operate at left-back or left-midfield, joined the Clarets from Ligue 1 side Lyon."

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Yes but that’s why the deal took so long in summer. The transfer fee was simple really, but the rumours are that Burnley paid Lyon a little extra so that they pay him a bonus for not requesting to leave. This effectively means he still fits in our wage structure (I think).

[alwaysaclaret]

It seems the Chris Wood thing has become big news on all the news feeds, and is apparently interested in the move.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Nor does it say a deal is “on” referring to the Ramsey thing

[Paul Waine]

Paul to be fair, the club are hardly going to say, "Cornet penned a five-year deal at Turf Moor in the summer of 2021 - and Lyon are still paying some of his feckin wages!"

Norman, I fear you are missing my point. Either Maxwel Cornet has signed as a Burnley player or he is still a Lyon player and is only on loan to Burnley. What is on the club's site shows that he has signed a 5 year deal with Burnley. And, no, however much "financial magic" there is in the world, a club that has sold a player to another club doesn't continue to pay part of their wages at the other club. Yes, there may be compensation if a player hadn't asked for a transfer and the compensation is part of getting the deal done - but, that's an arrangement between the player and the club that is selling him. It's not part of his wages while at Burnley - or any other club that he might have been sold to.

If you go back to last summer when Maxwel Cornet transferred to Burnley the whole talk of Lyon selling was that they needed the money. It wasn't that they were paying Maxwel Cornet so much that they had to shift him off their wage bill.

[Paul Waine]

Yes but that’s why the deal took so long in summer. The transfer fee was simple really, but the rumours are that Burnley paid Lyon a little extra so that they pay him a bonus for not requesting to leave. This effectively means he still fits in our wage structure (I think).

Maybe it's a generational thing. Back in the 60s and 70s if a player was sold but hadn't asked for a transfer they got a percentage of the transfer fee. Yes, that was all pre-Bosman - and pre-agents. I've no idea whether those clauses still exist, though I don't think I've seen them mentioned recently.

Burnley had a "wage structure" when Mike Garlick was the Chairman. I'd question whether Alan Pace has stuck with the previous wage structure.

Yes, from what we heard, it took time to do the deal with Lyon and Maxwel Cornet. I imagine there were discussions around the fee to Lyon and the timing of the payment of the fee. I imagine there were also discussions with Maxwel Cornet (and his agent) about moving to Burnley - compared with the alternative that was reported in the media.

[kentonclaret]

The service to him in the Championship would be better and I'd be stunned if he didn't get double figures if went down and he was still here. The odds for him to score double figures would be very short.

You seem to be in agreement with me that in order to score regularly at Championship level the service to him would need to be far better than it has been this season. Currently our expected Goal Factor (xGF) is currently the second worst in the Premier League.

If reports of Wood suffering a groin strain are true we are really going to struggle for goals in the absence of Cornet. Vydra also has a reported injury concern and Rodriguez hasn't scored a PL goal this season.

[joey13]

Bloody hell, they are going for it!

Yep I imagine he not going there to sit on bench