January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:12 am

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:07 am
Out of these I can't see Everton or Newcastle going 10-12 games without a win, Leeds and Brentford are to far away for us to catch its not a crystal ball you need its just common sense, I absolutely hope we pull off the great escape but being a realist I can't see it

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Since Newcastle have only one more win than us, despite playing three games more, what makes you think their form will be much better than ours going forward?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:12 am

JR1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:57 am
Let’s rephrase “them finish below us” to “we finish above them”

We have won 1 game, and it’s February tomorrow. We need 4 wins to go above Brentford, assuming they don’t win anymore.

Does everyone else see a different league table to me lol?

I have Brentford as a possible, as so many promoted teams start well on momentum and then the physicality of the league catches up with them.

The Erikson signing might give them the boost though.

But it's about us getting points, putting a run together.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:07 am
Out of these I can't see Everton or Newcastle going 10-12 games without a win, Leeds and Brentford are to far away for us to catch its not a crystal ball you need its just common sense, I absolutely hope we pull off the great escape but being a realist I can't see it

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If we won our 3 games in hand we’d be a point or two behind them. Not likely, but not impossible either. Injuries, suspensions, form, etc will all play their part in an unfolding season. It’s a pointless debate.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:59 am
Lads, we’re less than half way through the season. We’ve all seen teams go 10-12 games without a win and get drawn in. Let’s stop the crystal ball nonsense.

“We’ve all seen teams go 10-12 games without a win” the only team that’s doing that is us & we are consistently adept at it.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:17 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am
“We’ve all seen teams go 10-12 games without a win” the only team that’s doing that is us & we are consistently adept at it.

Bull****. Look at Watfords form. Can you also tell me last time we lost 10-12 in a row.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:18 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am
If we won our 3 games in hand we’d be a point or two behind them. Not likely, but not impossible either. Injuries, suspensions, form, etc will all play their part in an unfolding season. It’s a pointless debate.

Agree, I think I’d be right in saying that we’ve won against all of our remaining opponents (city aside) in the last 5 years so it’s not like you can hand pick a team and say ‘definitely won’t beat them’.

Add to the fact we’ve played 6 out of the top 8 away already while only 7 out of our 17 games have been at home. But I do think we need more guile / control in midfield if we are going to start winning games from here.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:24 am

Some folk absolutely love telling everyone we won’t stay up… you do get the sense they get great pleasure in it, it says a lot about someone that puts all their attention into pushing negativity. If I’m honest, I’d say it’s more likely than unlikely we will go down but I’m not going to spend all day, everyday banging that drum it’s depressing.
Thank god I don’t work in the same office as some of you

I’d be going home crying every night

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:26 am

Rangers now a possibility for Ramsey according to Fabrizio.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:26 am

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:24 am
Some folk absolutely love telling everyone we won’t stay up… you do get the sense they get great pleasure in it, it says a lot about someone that puts all their attention into pushing negativity. If I’m honest, I’d say it’s more likely than unlikely we will go down but I’m not going to spend all day, everyday banging that drum it’s depressing.
Thank god I don’t work in the same office as some of you I’d be going home crying every night

Some need misery to brighten up their life

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:26 am

claretandbluesky wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:00 am
Whatever happened to the young up and coming player agenda ?

If we do go down that will be seen as the criminally negligent aspect of our recruitment policy.
All successful sides need succession planning, it’s the thing we’ve forgotten.

TBF succession planning in defence has pretty much carried on and Gibson, Collins and Roberts bear testament to that, but it has been woefully absent in other areas and we're now left with a huge problem. We're dashing about all over Europe trying to sign first XI ready players who can sign Monday and trot out on Saturday and getting them in is proving really hard, especially when you're bottom of the league. A bit of "future planning" in midfield and up front really wouldn't have gone amiss right now and would have put us in a far better position.
What's a shame imo is that even I (a VERY dark cloud!) felt and still feel we have a chance. We have had 5 games postponed 4 are at home, so we have the games to play and points to be won which could seriously change the look of the table, BUT we needed the "bounce" of some fresh legs and decent quality incoming. Apart from the Dutch guy who basically replaces Wood, it seems that boost and freshen up won't be arriving and that's probably going to cost us any chance we have of turning things around. I'm not knocking AP as such as I genuinely think he's aimed pretty high and tried very hard, but the fact remains the reinforcements are not coming and the front line is very thin.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:27 am

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:24 am
Some folk absolutely love telling everyone we won’t stay up… you do get the sense they get great pleasure in it, it says a lot about someone that puts all their attention into pushing negativity. If I’m honest, I’d say it’s more likely than unlikely we will go down but I’m not going to spend all day, everyday banging that drum it’s depressing.
Thank god I don’t work in the same office as some of you I’d be going home crying every night

It’s the same lot that slag off Dyche when we’re in poor form and disappear when we start getting results. They’re desperate for us to go down so they can say ‘I told you so’. I hope the results turn round because it’s nice on here when they disappear.

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:27 am

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:24 am
Some folk absolutely love telling everyone we won’t stay up… you do get the sense they get great pleasure in it, it says a lot about someone that puts all their attention into pushing negativity. If I’m honest, I’d say it’s more likely than unlikely we will go down but I’m not going to spend all day, everyday banging that drum it’s depressing.
Thank god I don’t work in the same office as some of you I’d be going home crying every night

Isn't the point of a forum debate and differences in opinion, we all can't have the same vision or it wouldn't work

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:30 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:18 am

Add to the fact we’ve played 6 out of the top 8 away already while only 7 out of our 17 games have been at home. But I do think we need more guile / control in midfield if we are going to start winning games from here.

This is a much overlooked point. People are looking at things far too simply. I won’t comment on why that might be

Yes we need to look after our own form and improve, but let’s not underestimate the impact the way the fixtures have fallen on our current position. And also let’s remember we have players who have six years experience in the PL, which at least three in around us don’t. Experience isn’t a guarantee but I’d rather have it than not.

On the midfield, unpopular opinion but I’m going to say that I think our core - central defence and midfield - is fine to stay up. We’ve been keeping scores very respectable and creating chances. Yes we need to improve there long term but I don’t see it as a terminal weakness providing we can start scoring.

claretandbluesky · Post by **claretandbluesky** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:33 am

The trouble is even when we do succession planning those players often get shut out. How many games have Gibson, Collins and Roberts played ?
SD has never managed to make use of his squad as top managers do, that is what has stopped him progressing to the very highest level, where flexible thinking becomes imperative.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:34 am

claretandbluesky wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:33 am
The trouble is even when we do succession planning those players often get shut out. How many games have Gibson, Collins and Roberts played ?
SD has never managed to make use of his squad as top managers do, that is what has stopped him progressing to the very highest level, where flexible thinking becomes imperative.

Yep, if only Dyche had played Roberts while injured or in hospital

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:35 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:17 am
Bull****. Look at Watfords form. Can you also tell me last time we lost 10-12 in a row.

Think they beat Everton away & man United at home convincing & so far notched up 4 wins our successes have been a home win against Brentford & a draws away to Chelsea & arsenal. I know which I’d prefer form wise.

claretandbluesky · Post by **claretandbluesky** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:35 am

But New Claret part of our problem is our midfield don’t contribute goals and rarely create chances. Getting Brownhill and McNeil into goal scoring positions has to be part of the plan to increase our goal scoring potential.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:36 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:26 am
Rangers now a possibility for Ramsey according to Fabrizio.

Do we really want to sign a player who it seems wants to go absolutely anywhere but us?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:37 am

Why are we not in for Todd Cantwell ?
Off to Bournemouth

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:27 am
It’s the same lot that slag off Dyche when we’re in poor form and disappear when we start getting results. They’re desperate for us to go down so they can say ‘I told you so’. I hope the results turn round because it’s nice on here when they disappear.

Disappear

no danger of that happening unfortunately.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am

claretandbluesky wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:33 am
The trouble is even when we do succession planning those players often get shut out. How many games have Gibson, Collins and Roberts played ?
SD has never managed to make use of his squad as top managers do, that is what has stopped him progressing to the very highest level, where flexible thinking becomes imperative.

Succession planning means you bring someone new in before they are need - and most likely before they are ready.

Tarks did it. Nick Pope did it. Nathan Collins is doing it. Connor Roberts is doing it.

Gibson? Well, seems he couldn't do it.

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claretandbluesky · Post by **claretandbluesky** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am

But when younger players look at us they know they’ve as likely got a year out of competitive action as they adapt to SD style. Most young footballers want to be on the turf not waiting in the wings. That’s part of the reason we find recruitment so hard.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:37 am
Why are we not in for Todd Cantwell ?
Off to Bournemouth

Norwich wouldn’t loan to a rival and he has attitude problems.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:36 am
Do we really want to sign a player who it seems wants to go absolutely anywhere but us?

We are practically every decent players last choice. I’m sure if Weghorst had an offer from any other Prem side (bar Norwich/Watford) he’d have gone there ahead of us.

No point worrying about it, if Ramsey signed for us I’m sure he’d realise he’s in last chance saloon and see it as a great opportunity to show he’s still got it.

Not a prayer he’s coming anyway sadly.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:40 am

Yep, if only Dyche had played Roberts while injured or in hospita

How many games was he available for, before those issues? ..... You know, when he was fit enough to play for Wales!

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:40 am

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:36 am
Do we really want to sign a player who it seems wants to go absolutely anywhere but us?

Lets not waste this precious day on Ramsay. Not only does he not want to play for us and openly admitted it, but has played one game this season for Juventus. He would not be match fit until March

claretandbluesky · Post by **claretandbluesky** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:40 am

Yes we have done it and note how successful it can be but because it takes so long to integrate the danger is players get disenchanted. Collins for instance is a Premier League player I can see a team coming in for him if we get relegated. In my opinion he needs to be playing now.

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:41 am

A couple of quality additions today and a win on Saturday and I would seriously hope this board is a more positive place.

If that happens we would be in the strongest position out of the bottom four teams to stay up.

PMA

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:41 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:35 am
Think they beat Everton away & man United at home convincing & so far notched up 4 wins our successes have been a home win against Brentford & a draws away to Chelsea & arsenal. I know which I’d prefer form wise.

In the last 3 months they’ve won 2, drawn one lost 11! Not won since early November. It can happen to other teams too.

We need to start winning, yes, but that’s a different topic.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:41 am

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:40 am
Lets not waste this precious day on Ramsay. Not only does he not want to play for us and openly admitted it, but has played one game this season for Juventus. He would not be match fit until March

Where has he said that?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:42 am

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:41 am
Where has he said that?

He's not openly said it, completely made up

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:42 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am
Norwich wouldn’t loan to a rival and he has attitude problems.

He’s also a fair weather player. Really weak when I’ve watched him. Bournemouth are perfect for him, although I think he’ll be a good signing for them.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:43 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am
Norwich wouldn’t loan to a rival and he has attitude problems.

It’s not stopping Watford doing business with gosling possibly or maybe they don’t class us as a rival.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:45 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:42 am
He’s also a fair weather player. Really weak when I’ve watched him. Bournemouth are perfect for him, although I think he’ll be a good signing for them.

Agreed. I live in Norwich and my mates are saying good riddance. There’s definitely a player in there though.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:46 am

Alex James is saying no contact with Watford yet for Gosling. He is a target but down the list.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:47 am

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am
Succession planning means you bring someone new in before they are need - and most likely before they are ready.

Tarks did it. Nick Pope did it. Nathan Collins is doing it. Connor Roberts is doing it.

Gibson? Well, seems he couldn't do it.

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How long would you expect Gibson to rot on the bench for? He'd still be sat there now if he hadn't forced a move.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:47 am

Alex James: ‘On Dan Gosling, no offer made to Watford as yet. Midfielder is a player of interest to Burnley, albeit further down the list of targets, and the Hornets would sanction a departure. But nothing doing at moment.’

Why is Dan Gosling even on the list?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:48 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:42 am
He's not openly said it, completely made up

He’s rejected a move to us - and other clubs - so you can see where it comes from. He’s now been offered to Wolves. Reported again this morning by BBC

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:53 am

I wonder how many articles Tony has typed up ready for today?
Am hoping for two that he can issue but the way our luck has been recently I will be happy to get the Wolfsburg lad over the line.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:58 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:16 am
If we pull off a good couple of signings today I’m extremely confident we can stay up. If we don’t manage any, I’m extremely confident we go down.

It won't be a case of not managing any

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:58 am

Sky reporting Middlesbrough looking to sign Jeff Hendrick on loan.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:59 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:58 am
It won't be a case of not managing any

I don’t know what you mean. If we don’t sign anyone, then we’ve not managed to sign anyone, it’s black and white isn’t it?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:59 am

Lauriente not happening either.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:59 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:47 am
Alex James: ‘On Dan Gosling, no offer made to Watford as yet. Midfielder is a player of interest to Burnley, albeit further down the list of targets, and the Hornets would sanction a departure. But nothing doing at moment.’

Why is Dan Gosling even on the list?

If he is, then it's an absolutely last resort. The positive with this is that at least we know the club are working on trying to get in a midfielder.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:00 am

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 am
Succession planning means you bring someone new in before they are need - and most likely before they are ready.

Tarks did it. Nick Pope did it. Nathan Collins is doing it. Connor Roberts is doing it.

Gibson? Well, seems he couldn't do it.

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There is a 5 year gap between Tarks/Pope and Collins/Connor.

In between was Vydra and Gibson and they did not work out but that's nowhere near enough activity to sustain a Premier league squad of 25.

Both Vydra and Gibson looked on paper as though they could step up but clearly it didn't happen and that happens in football. All clubs buy players who don't work out it's part of the planning process

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:00 am

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:58 am
Sky reporting Middlesbrough looking to sign Jeff Hendrick on loan.

Spotted that one last week, will be an excellent signing for them.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:01 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:12 am
Since Newcastle have only one more win than us, despite playing three games more, what makes you think their form will be much better than ours going forward?

Maybe the fact they’ve just spent ****loads of money & haven’t finished spending not guaranteed form will improve but with more quality players at their disposal common sense would suggest some sort of a uplift, it’s far more likely than the other way around.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:01 am

The Enclosure wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:53 am
I wonder how many articles Tony has typed up ready for today?
Am hoping for two that he can issue but the way our luck has been recently I will be happy to get the Wolfsburg lad over the line.

To be honest, only two. One I won't be using and the other, I'm just waiting to see when it will be used.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:01 am

Hopefully, our negotiators remember that the European Window closes earlier than ours

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:03 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:01 am
To be honest, only two. One I won't be using and the other, I'm just waiting to see when it will be used.

Have you not started writing up the Ramsey one yet?