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by fatboy47 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:37 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:32 pm
but Garlick's lack of investment is the reason we're in this position
I wouldn't argue with that.
The club generated sufficient cash to move forward. Garlick (as was his right) chose to trouser it and make a sharp exit, rather than prioritise the club.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:37 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:37 pm
More front than Blackpool some would say, or is it Bournemouth?
Slightly disappointed with that response, thought you might offer an explanation what a real fan is
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by colne-claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:38 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:30 pm
F**k off eh?
Striker sold, replaced by someone younger and with a better pedigree, if untested at this level
And with more than half the season left
Youngers clutching at straws
I hope he is an improvement on Wood. He's got some big shoes to fill in terms of goals albeit not so much this season.
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by tiger76 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:38 pm
Bigvince wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:29 pm
It’s not over until Chris Biden is told to stand down


I didn't know Joe Biden had a brother.

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by RVclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Rombald wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Possibly because the 4 or 5 usual suspects have told us , many, many,many times they are not happy . We get it. No need to keep saying it and having hissy fits.
And others responses was ‘let’s judge on Feb 1st and see where we are at’, which is fair enough.
But it’s looking like a team that clearly needed more quality, with just 1 single win all season, is not going to be added to. That’s a failure no matter which way it’s dressed up. I mean, we could have even used the cash we have now from Wood’s sale to reinvest in a few younger types to forward plan like Knight / Neil, but we haven’t even done that.
I would love to be proved wrong but I just can’t see how we stay up now.
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
colne-claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:38 pm
Youngers clutching at straws
I hope he is an improvement on Wood. He's got some big shoes to fill in terms of goals albeit not so much this season.
I'm certainly middle aged!
And you can call it what you want, I'm not going to spend the remaining 20 matches thinking we are doomed just because we've not signed Ross Barkley
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by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:32 pm
The Bundesliga isn’t much different from the Prem with some really strong teams. WW’s record suggests he will score for us
I think it's a lot different. Maybe at the very top but the sides lower down the league are nowhere near as strong as they are in the Premier League.
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by TopCat » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
Firthy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:33 pm
It's all positive. We've managed to replace Wood with hopefully a better player and added £15m to the coffers, what's not to like. It will help us rebuild in the championship next season.
Not throwing the towel in just yet, but if there is no more activity it is another poor window.
Admittedly WW is an upgrade on Chris Wood (or appears to be) but we have lost Vydra through surgery, so weaker than the start of the month??
What did make me smile though was when this post came through and reminded of the "good old days" and the 333 protest.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:41 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
I'm certainly middle aged!
And you can call it what you want, I'm not going to spend the remaining 20 matches thinking we are doomed just because we've not signed Ross Barkley
I think it’s more to do with the fact we have won twice in our last 24 league games not because we haven’t signed Ross Barkley
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:42 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:41 pm
I think it’s more to do with the fact we have won twice in our last 24 league games not because we haven’t signed Ross Barkley
Not on this thread it isn't
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by Andreshotboots » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:43 pm
At least we’ve made a profit this window..
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by tiger76 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:43 pm
Ramsey having a medical at Rangers.
And Spurs have shipped out their record signing to Lyon on loan, shows it's not only Burnley who spend big money on duds doesn't it.
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by SkiptonClaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Brilliant window. We’ve replaced Wood with a young player (29 !) and there’s plenty left in the bank to fund contract extensions for Ash, Lenno, Corky, Erik and Lowts. Good times ahead.
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by daveisaclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
So if Newcastle hadn't wanted Chris Wood, would we have just not signed anybody?
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:19 pm
Beginning to look as if there isn't going to be anything else.
If that is true I am afraid that we look doomed. The team has looked hopeless all season and we have done nothing to improve the team apart from swap an unhappy player for an untried player from abroad at half the cost.
It's all hot air as usual, blowing smoke up fans arsses. Sick of this crap.
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by tiger76 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:43 pm
At least we’ve made a profit this window..
Isn't that a good thing?
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by RVclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
So if Newcastle hadn't wanted Chris Wood, would we have just not signed anybody?
Yep

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by Papabendi » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:45 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
I think it's a lot different. Maybe at the very top but the sides lower down the league are nowhere near as strong as they are in the Premier League.
be interesting to know which teams the bulk of his goals have come from
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by Andreshotboots » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm
tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Isn't that a good thing?
Come May, probably not..
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by boyyanno » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
I'm certainly middle aged!
And you can call it what you want, I'm not going to spend the remaining 20 matches thinking we are doomed just because we've not signed Ross Barkley
What, instead of sticking with the same team that's got 1 win in 20?
With all due respect swapping Wood for Weghorst is probably decent business but lets not pretend the window hasn't been poor if we don't get anyone else. At least we've banked some money for the coffers I guess...
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by tiger76 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:47 pm
Guess we'll see come May then.
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm
tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:43 pm
Ramsey having a medical at Rangers.
And Spurs have shipped out their record signing to Lyon on loan, shows it's not only Burnley who spend big money on duds doesn't it.
semi-retired then? What a belmtard
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by thelaughingclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm
Really poor if we are throwing in the towel now.
For us to not get a CM in this month is shocking really. Seems like we are admitting defeat and relegation now. The “we tried” line simply is not good enough anymore.
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by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
It's all hot air as usual, blowing smoke up fans arsses. Sick of this crap.
They've clearly been in for players, but being bottom of the league and not being able to offer the wages like Newcastle haven't made it easy. No excuse for not replacing JBG though
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:49 pm
SkiptonClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
Brilliant window. We’ve replaced Wood with a young player (29 !) and there’s plenty left in the bank to fund contract extensions for Ash, Lenno, Corky, Erik and Lowts. Good times ahead.
With hopefully enough money left to fit a Stanna stair life at the training ground. Exciting times.
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:51 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm
They've clearly been in for players, but being bottom of the league and not being able to offer the wages like Newcastle haven't made it easy. No excuse for not replacing JBG though
If players don't want to play in the best league in the World and put themselves in the shop window then that is ridiculous.
We could definitely buy players, we've had 31 days to do it.
This is white flag time. It looks like the finances at the club are a mess if we're bottom of the league and are more worried about making a profit than staying up.
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by gawthorpe_view » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:53 pm
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
So if Newcastle hadn't wanted Chris Wood, would we have just not signed anybody?
Sad but true.
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by jedi_master » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:53 pm
Not good if theres nobody else. Needed creativity adding either from the centre or wide.
It’s bizarre that the aim was Weghorst, Orsic and a CM (Ramsey), we got one, had a change of mind on another and a rejection on the last and seemingly didn’t have good Plan B options ready to follow up on. Orsic looked a done deal and that’s clearly screwed us, but it’s odd that there was no backup plan to him (that we know of).
With Cornet and Weghorst we hopefully have goals in us, but you’d struggle to say we’re significantly better off than when we went into this window. Let’s hope for a late turn of events as the afternoon wears on…
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by tiger76 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:53 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm
They've clearly been in for players, but being bottom of the league and not being able to offer the wages like Newcastle haven't made it easy. No excuse for not replacing JBG though
JBG should have been replaced at least a year ago, and it's worrying that none of our youngsters are deemed up to the challenge of stepping in.
Whatever division we're competing in next season we're going to have to overhaul the squad at some stage surely.
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by jedi_master » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:56 pm
tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:53 pm
JBG should have been replaced at least a year ago, and it's worrying that none of our youngsters are deemed up to the challenge of stepping in.
Whatever division we're competing in next season we're going to have to overhaul the squad at some stage surely.
I found it a weird decision when we extended Gudmundsson’s contract - two years as well. He was excellent in the 7th season but has offered nothing of note since. Very poor this season particularly.
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by spt_claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:40 pm
I think it's a lot different. Maybe at the very top but the sides lower down the league are nowhere near as strong as they are in the Premier League.
Rouwen Hennings notched 15 in 2020.
That said he was linked with Spurs, Arsenal and West Ham at various times and from what I've seen is a real threat.
Papabendi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:45 pm
be interesting to know which teams the bulk of his goals have come from
From a cursory glance Wout has scored 1 Vs Dortmund, 2 Vs Bayern, a few Vs Leipzig and Leverkusen, and bags Vs Hoffenheim, Bremen, Schalke, Dusseldorf and Union Berlin. But you can only score against what you play against, and Wolfsburg aren't exactly littered with creative and attacking stars, best they have is Camacho and Brekalo, Weghorst was pretty much carrying them for a couple years.
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by Burtonwoodclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:44 pm
If that is true I am afraid that we look doomed. The team has looked hopeless all season and we have done nothing to improve the team apart from swap an unhappy player for an untried player from abroad at half the cost.
It's all hot air as usual, blowing smoke up fans arsses. Sick of this crap.
The team hasn't looked hopeless all season, if some of those 8 draws had not beeen littered with enough missed chances to win hat least half of them we woud be in a different position and who knows how we will do in the rarraanged games . As far as individual players are concerned , we've seen a much improved Aarron Lennon in reecent games, Charlie Taylor is looking better than ever and Cornet back with us shoulf make a real difference to results. An despie what many feel is a poor transfer window, we have brought in a proven striker, Roberts has now made his way into the starting eleven and shown his defensive capabiliies against Arsenal and we 've yet to see the attacking contribtions he can make when we are in a more open game.
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by clarethomer » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:00 pm
It’s going to be our version of the great escape.
Cornet back, we have a new front man and we have shown a bit of fighting spirit at Arsenal.
Not going to lie and say I’m happy with our window but we need to make sure our disappointment with the clubs ability to operate in the transfer window isn’t confused with being the 12th man for the opposing team when it comes to getting behind the team.
If we go down so be it but too many points to play for.
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by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:00 pm
jedi_master wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:56 pm
I found it a weird decision when we extended Gudmundsson’s contract - two years as well. He was excellent in the 7th season but has offered nothing of note since. Very poor this season particularly.
probably offered him a new deal because there was no money to spend ?
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by Boss Hogg » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:01 pm
Belial wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:32 pm
Yes and we're all disappointed that we haven't got anyone else. You said we've done bare minimum. I'll put it in your language to make it clearer.... That's bo11ocks...they've quite clearly been putting a lot of effort in.
Effort without results is still failure. It’s like saying I didn’t hit my sales targets but I tried really hard. Imagine if employers said ‘Oh well never mind’ and businesses adopted this approach. There wouldn’t be many successful ones.
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by warksclaret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:02 pm
It proves to me that there is now an "acceptance" from owners, manager, coaches and players that we are likely to be relegated.Otherwise activity would have happened early January and more much needed arrivals (not all necessarily the right ones, but players who could make a difference). After all Collins and Hennessy were "snapped-up" early part of last window. I am afraid its easy to look busy, and may have suited the owners to be linked with so many players, giving fans hope. As someone has already said had Wood not been sold we would probably not have bought Weghorst. We will no doubt hear how hard the Jan window has become, but Bournemouth, who I know are strapped for cash have secured what look on paper to have made some influential purchases. Had we signed Cantwell the mood on this board would have lifted a 100%
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by Taffy on the wing » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:02 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:52 pm
Who gives a **** if pace flew to every country on the planet. Facts are we have brought in a striker to replace a striker.
Complete tosser!
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by Burnley Ace » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
Perhaps we just have to accept that players don’t want to come to Burnley. They don’t like the clubs image, they don’t like the clubs unwitting association with Right Wing anti Brexit politics, they can get as good a wage elsewhere. What makes Burnley an attractive proposition- Ramsey would rather go to Rangers!!
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
I thought you were pro Pace?
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by boyyanno » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
Burtonwoodclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 pm
The team hasn't looked hopeless all season, if some of those 8 draws had not beeen littered with enough missed chances to win hat least half of them we woud be in a different position and who knows how we will do in the rarraanged games . As far as individual players are concerned , we've seen a much improved Aarron Lennon in reecent games, Charlie Taylor is looking better than ever and Cornet back with us shoulf make a real difference to results. An despie what many feel is a poor transfer window, we have brought in a proven striker, Roberts has now made his way into the starting eleven and shown his defensive capabiliies against Arsenal and we 've yet to see the attacking contribtions he can make when we are in a more open game.
This nonsense has got to stop. Forget missed chances, being unlucky and bad reffing decisions: We are bottom of the table because we've been the crappest club this season. Admittedly we have some games in hand but we've been hopeless for a calendar year, some posters seem to revel in it which is annoying but it's just as frustrating when people act blind to it tbh.
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by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
Papabendi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:45 pm
be interesting to know which teams the bulk of his goals have come from
There will always be one sad sod who will go and see. Here you go, 59 goals against 22 different teams.
7 - Hoffenheim
5 - Eintracht Frankfurt
5 - Fortuna Dusseldorf
5 - Werder Bremen
4 - Freiburg
4 - Schalke 04
3 - Augsburg
3 - Koln
3 - Union Berlin
2 - Arminia Bielefeld
2 - Bayern Munich
2 - Borussia Moenchengladbach
2 - Hertha Berlin
2 - Mainz
2 - RB Leipzig
2 - Stuttgart
1 - Augsburg
1 - Bayer Leverkusen
1 - Bochum
1 - Borussia Dortmund
1 - Gruether Furth
1 - Hannover 9
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:00 pm
It’s going to be our version of the great escape.
Cornet back, we have a new front man and we have shown a bit of fighting spirit at Arsenal.
Not going to lie and say I’m happy with our window but we need to make sure our disappointment with the clubs ability to operate in the transfer window isn’t confused with being the 12th man for the opposing team when it comes to getting behind the team.
If we go down so be it but too many points to play for.
I don't think many fans will share your positivity after being let down for the 139th transfer window in a row.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:05 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
There will always be one sad sod who will go and see. Here you go, 59 goals against 22 different teams.
7 - Hoffenheim
5 - Eintracht Frankfurt
5 - Fortuna Dusseldorf
5 - Werder Bremen
4 - Freiburg
4 - Schalke 04
3 - Augsburg
3 - Koln
3 - Union Berlin
2 - Arminia Bielefeld
2 - Bayern Munich
2 - Borussia Moenchengladbach
2 - Hertha Berlin
2 - Mainz
2 - RB Leipzig
2 - Stuttgart
1 - Augsburg
1 - Bayer Leverkusen
1 - Bochum
1 - Borussia Dortmund
1 - Gruether Furth
1 - Hannover 9
Could you do the same for Pele please

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by KRBFC » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:05 pm
spt_claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 pm
and Wolfsburg aren't exactly littered with creative and attacking stars, best they have is Camacho and Brekalo
I don't know who told you that but it isn't true, Camacho retired ages ago and was a defensive player who barely played half a season with injuries, Brekalo was once an exciting young talent, Wolfsburg sent him out on loan this season.
Maxi Arnold is a brilliant footballer, exactly what we need in central midfield. Baku is one of the hottest prospects in Germany atm, flying right sided player and Nmecha is finally showing his true potential and broke into the national team.
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:06 pm
boyyanno wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
This nonsense has got to stop. Forget missed chances, being unlucky and bad reffing decisions: We are bottom of the table because we've been the crappest club this season. Admittedly we have some games in hand but we've been hopeless for a calendar year, some posters seem to revel in it which is annoying but it's just as frustrating when people act blind to it tbh.
agreed, there have been a number of games this season that I have felt embarrassed for the players being so bad. Jay, Cork, Barnes, Wood, Lennon, JBG have looked pathetic in too many games.
We are bottom of the league for a reason. WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
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by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:06 pm
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by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:03 pm
Perhaps we just have to accept that players don’t want to come to Burnley. They don’t like the clubs image, they don’t like the clubs unwitting association with Right Wing anti Brexit politics, they can get as good a wage elsewhere. What makes Burnley an attractive proposition- Ramsey would rather go to Rangers!!
What are " Right Wing anti Brexit politics " ?
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by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:01 pm
Effort without results is still failure. It’s like saying I didn’t hit my sales targets but I tried really hard. Imagine if employers said ‘Oh well never mind’ and businesses adopted this approach. There wouldn’t be many successful ones.
so how do you sell something when your product and future prospects are looking dire without being able to offer ridiculous financial incentives ?
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by Burnley Ace » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:07 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:51 pm
If players don't want to play in the best league in the World and put themselves in the shop window then that is ridiculous.
We could definitely buy players, we've had 31 days to do it.
This is white flag time. It looks like the finances at the club are a mess if we're bottom of the league and are more worried about making a profit than staying up.
What’s your criteria for saying it’s the best league? As I said above perhaps players don’t think that playing for Burnley puts you in “the shop window”, who was the last player to move up? Trippier?
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by spt_claret » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:08 pm
Burtonwoodclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 pm
The team hasn't looked hopeless all season, if some of those 8 draws had not beeen littered with enough missed chances to win hat least half of them we woud be in a different position and who knows how we will do in the rarraanged games . As far as individual players are concerned , we've seen a much improved Aarron Lennon in reecent games, Charlie Taylor is looking better than ever and Cornet back with us shoulf make a real difference to results. An despie what many feel is a poor transfer window, we have brought in a proven striker, Roberts has now made his way into the starting eleven and shown his defensive capabiliies against Arsenal and we 've yet to see the attacking contribtions he can make when we are in a more open game.
Just took a look at the table Vs Big Chances created stats.
We are joint 15th on big chances created with 21. Southampton who are tied have played 4 more games. Obviously we have played less games than anybody, Brentford have had 2 more chances in 5 more games.
19th on goals with 16.
Only club in the league with fewer goals than Big Chances Created. Even bottom scoring Norwich have 13 goals Vs 12 big chances.
This does actually give me a bit of hope that Weghorst will swing things, but I still firmly believe we need more, because of the amount of ground we have to make up on.