January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Damo]

West Brom released Snodgrass before the window closed.
We should be all over that

[Taffy on the wing]

"Have the new paper clips arrived yet Enid"?

[ClaretMov]

I don’t think Wel pick 40 points up this yr but I reckon 37 will be enough . There is some rubbish at the bottom of the league inc us .

Do you honestly believe we will finish above Newcastle or Leeds, Brentford and Everton, because that's what we need to do to stay up, not a chance we are going to win four or five more games than those teams by the end of the season.

[taio]

Do you honestly believe we will finish above Newcastle or Leeds, Brentford and Everton, because that's what we need to do to stay up, not a chance we are going to win four or five more games than those teams by the end of the season.

Whilst it's a big challenge from here, I can't understand why anyone would conclude that we have no chance of survival with 20 games to go. I also can't understand why we'd need to win four or five more games than all those you refer to.

[Tribesmen]

We move on 3 points on Saturday please .

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wonder if Pace is going to hide away or come out an address his failures this window.

[turbo5]

My analogy is to a formula one car coming in for a tyre change half way through a race . (old and not performing as good as the other cars on the track) We have changed one tyre for a different brand and left the other 3 on the car.

[bobinho]

Ashley Barnes is back on the grass

Well let’s hope he doesn’t get pulled or that’s another ban….

[TheOriginalLongsider]

However, we still have Pope, Tarkowski, Mee and McNeil. All of whom were reported as being wanted by other clubs

[bobinho]

My analogy is to a formula one car coming in for a tyre change half way through a race . (old and not performing as good as the other cars on the track) We have changed one tyre for a different brand and left the other 3 on the car.

Fair enough if the tyre you changed was because the old one was punctured….

[Lancasterclaret]

Wonder if Pace is going to hide away or come out an address his failures this window.

Why don't you meet him at the ground......oh

[BLH_Claret]

To those that kept telling me/the rest of us wait until the window is closed and then judge the club, OVER TO YOU

This. Although I’ve already seen the obligatory it’s done support the lads posts along with the stay away from the Turf if you dare to have an opposing (apparently negative) view. You’ll be waiting a long time for any realism from them.

[Lancasterclaret]

3.4 million views for the Weghorst video now

More than fairly impressive

(Course, I'd prefer more signing videos with actual signings, but it is what it is, and there is no reason we can't survive from here as long as we play like we can)

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why don't you meet him at the ground......oh

I’m there Saturday Lancaster so maybe I will. Pace will most likely be hiding in case we lose though

[Father Jack]

Wout apart -
Didn’t strengthen the team for this team for this season.
Didn’t sign any players in anticipation of next season.
Didn’t manage to get any loan signings in.

I guess Pace over estimated his and our own appeal & pull.
Remained (overly) confident we could get the higher profile targets in.
And was unwilling to set deadlines on deals which would have then given us a fighting chance of moving to and executing Plan B, C, D etc

With so many players out of contract in the summer we are going to have to wise up and take a very different approach.

[Lancasterclaret]

To those that kept telling me/the rest of us wait until the window is closed and then judge the club, OVER TO YOU

If we'd signed nobody at all, then you and other ones with clearly zero idea of financial reality would have been back to manufacturing bizarre scenarios in which Pace both simultaneously lost all his money and walked away with loads of money

But we lost a striker, and replaced him with another one (on paper, a better one) for less money

Am I happy about it?

Not at all, but I understand enough about the realities of premier league football and finances to know how hard it is to get players and I'd rather we failed to get Ramsey and Orica than continue our policy of buying more Stephens and Lennons (who are no more than ok at this level anymore)

I think we've probably got enough to survive, but we are going to struggle, and that is because we've not been our usual solid selves

I'm hopeful now the window has closed that we can back to that and I'm looking forward to Saturday

Up to you like, but I suggest you do the same

[RVclaret]

3.4 million views for the Weghorst video now

More than fairly impressive

(Course, I'd prefer more signing videos with actual signings, but it is what it is, and there is no reason we can't survive from here as long as we play like we can)

I think surviving from here basically depends on the fitness of Cornet and whether Weghorst hits the ground running, which I feel he will. If Maxwel stays fit for all our remaining games we’ve got a good chance.

[Lancasterclaret]

I’m there Saturday Lancaster so maybe I will. Pace will most likely be hiding in case we lose though

Good, we need every fan we can get supporting us, and I'm sure Pace will front up at some stage

[Lancasterclaret]

This. Although I’ve already seen the obligatory it’s done support the lads posts along with the stay away from the Turf if you dare to have an opposing (apparently negative) view. You’ll be waiting a long time for any realism from them.

I think we are realistic

I don't think you and Mov are, certainly not about the reality of the premier league and billionaires v millionaires

[gandhisflipflop]

Groundhog Day FC

[matucana]

3.4 million views of the video.

Will be pleasing to Pace to have this world coverage. Hope the necessary permissions were obtained from Universal prior to using the footage. Can be a difficult Company to deal with in this area.

[JohnDearyMe]

I think surviving from here basically depends on the fitness of Cornet and whether Weghorst hits the ground running, which I feel he will. If Maxwel stays fit for all our remaining games we’ve got a good chance.

I agree with you here but given Cornet has already had two spells of being sidelined to injury I'm not expecting him to last out the season without picking up another strain (especially given our fixture congestion). Hope I'm wrong though

[claretblue]

Everton were forced to make the Deli Ali deal permanent because their loan quota is full after adding Manchester United's Donny van de Beek to the recent signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Aston Villa

…how close are we to fulfilling our loan-quota!

[beddie]

I’m as disappointed as everyone but I’m pretty sure Pace and Co will have been working all hours to try and bring more players in. Let’s see if we can do something in the loan window, I’m sure he’ll be looking at trying to help SD as much as he can. We all know the problem has been building for a few seasons, unfortunately Pace inherited the problems and regrettably doesn’t have a magic wand. For now let’s get behind the players we have, they need our support.

[Bordeauxclaret]

3.4 million views for the Weghorst video now

More than fairly impressive

(Course, I'd prefer more signing videos with actual signings, but it is what it is, and there is no reason we can't survive from here as long as we play like we can)

I hope they do the right thing on Saturday and put up a counter on the big screens to show the views.
I’d certainly get on early to see it.

[claretblue]

…Let’s see if we can do something in the loan window…

what ‘loan-window’ ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Did we sign anyone ?

[claretspice]

If we'd signed nobody at all, then you and other ones with clearly zero idea of financial reality would have been back to manufacturing bizarre scenarios in which Pace both simultaneously lost all his money and walked away with loads of money

But we lost a striker, and replaced him with another one (on paper, a better one) for less money

Am I happy about it?

Not at all, but I understand enough about the realities of premier league football and finances to know how hard it is to get players and I'd rather we failed to get Ramsey and Orica than continue our policy of buying more Stephens and Lennons (who are no more than ok at this level anymore)

I think we've probably got enough to survive, but we are going to struggle, and that is because we've not been our usual solid selves

I'm hopeful now the window has closed that we can back to that and I'm looking forward to Saturday

Up to you like, but I suggest you do the same

Got immense respect for you Lancaster and we've agreed down the years more often than not, but we diverge a bit here.

At it's simplest, if you buy a Premier League football club on a financial model that threatens its sustainability in the event of relegation and no swift return, then the least you can do is ensure the recruitment to give your gamble a chance of working.

We've had 3 windows of ALK now, and they've delivered 4 players of any note across those, and essentially those have been funded by the sales of Gibson and Wood. We ended the summer with a squad that was at least one quality player short (a midfielder, or a winger to allow McNeil to move inside) on the promise that we'd be able to fix it in the winter window. Well, that window has been and gone, and we haven't. We haven't even brought in any "ones for the future" who might be a replacement for McNeil, or Westwood, or Cork or Mee or Pope in 6, 12 or 18 months time.

It may not be entirely due to ALK's lack of capital. It may be that Dyche remains too fixated on a particular type of player, and isn't willing to look at players who he doesn't feel will deliver in the immediacy. But even if that's true, it's ultimately for ALK to set a direction and for the manager to deliver it. It may be true that they were terribly unlucky with Orsic - but that was one signing, the bare minimum beyond replacing Wood that was required, and they essentially got burned for aiming for the bare minimum at the last minute. At some point, the "hard luck" stories have to be met with a dose of reality.

This team is not good enough to get 40 points, and I disagree with your assessment that it has enough to survive. It lacks technical ability and pace, and you can probably get away without one, but not both. it has corroded over the last 3-4 years and will go down barring an astonishing underperformance from Newcastle or a capitulation of grand proportions by someone like Brentford (who managed to be creative in the market themselves).

The last regime ultimately allowed investment to stagnate for 2-3 years, and the new owners knew that when they came in. But they haven't diffused the ticking time bomb yet - they've just allowed it to tick louder. And given their repeated failures to explain their business model properly, I think we've now reached the point where questions need to be asked quite loudly. Where exactly are we headed, and what is the strategy?

[Jambounchained]

Can we play 3.4 million views in midfield?

[bfcjg]

What really p1sses me off more then anything is the optimism gained after the Arsenal draw when Burnley defensively were back to our best and the consensus was get some pace in, get a creative midfielder we had weeks to do it, we were either naïve or the owners think we are naïve and would fall for the owe we tried our best bullshit.
No plan B on the field, no plan B off it.

[RVclaret]

Got immense respect for you Lancaster and we've agreed down the years more often than not, but we diverge a bit here.

At it's simplest, if you buy a Premier League football club on a financial model that threatens its sustainability in the event of relegation and no swift return, then the least you can do is ensure the recruitment to give your gamble a chance of working.

We've had 3 windows of ALK now, and they've delivered 4 players of any note across those, and essentially those have been funded by the sales of Gibson and Wood. We ended the summer with a squad that was at least one quality player short (a midfielder, or a winger to allow McNeil to move inside) on the promise that we'd be able to fix it in the winter window. Well, that window has been and gone, and we haven't. We haven't even brought in any "ones for the future" who might be a replacement for McNeil, or Westwood, or Cork or Mee or Pope in 6, 12 or 18 months time.

It may not be entirely due to ALK's lack of capital. It may be that Dyche remains too fixated on a particular type of player, and isn't willing to look at players who he doesn't feel will deliver in the immediacy. But even if that's true, it's ultimately for ALK to set a direction and for the manager to deliver it. It may be true that they were terribly unlucky with Orsic - but that was one signing, the bare minimum beyond replacing Wood that was required, and they essentially got burned for aiming for the bare minimum at the last minute. At some point, the "hard luck" stories have to be met with a dose of reality.

This team is not good enough to get 40 points, and I disagree with your assessment that it has enough to survive. It lacks technical ability and pace, and you can probably get away without one, but not both. it has corroded over the last 3-4 years and will go down barring an astonishing underperformance from Newcastle or a capitulation of grand proportions by someone like Brentford (who managed to be creative in the market themselves).

The last regime ultimately allowed investment to stagnate for 2-3 years, and the new owners knew that when they came in. But they haven't diffused the ticking time bomb yet - they've just allowed it to tick louder. And given their repeated failures to explain their business model properly, I think we've now reached the point where questions need to be asked quite loudly. Where exactly are we headed, and what is the strategy?

Another excellent post spice.

[evensteadiereddie]

I’m there Saturday Lancaster so maybe I will. Pace will most likely be hiding in case we lose though

I hope you do go on Saturday and any others who share your views.

I can't see why Pace would hide, win or lose. I think he'll probably be as disappointed and as frustrated as we are that most of our targets took the better options offered to them, more prospects, more money.

Anyway, enjoy it - if you go - and support the lads.

[BurnleyFC]

I hope they do the right thing on Saturday and put up a counter on the big screens to show the views.
I’d certainly get on early to see it.

[RVclaret]

Athletic article this morning suggesting a player changed his mind late on last night (from not wanting to come to wanting to come) but it was too late in the day to complete a deal/medical.

[BurnleyFC]

ALK No Capital would me more apt.

[NewClaret]

…

Won’t quote it all because that is a long one, but that’s a fair and well articulated post in and amongst the overreactions.

I agree that both the former and current ownership have neglected the squad. Four signings in three windows for ALK is just not enough, given how things were left. I think Alan has done a decent job so far but he needs to look very inwardly on that front. What part Dyche has to play in that I’ve no idea, but as you say the strategic direction needs setting.

Like you, my main frustration about yesterday was the lack of forward planning. Had we gone for Vaughan, Knight, Neil, etc types after losing out on Orsic, even loaning them back, I’d have felt better about the situation.

I do disagree on the sustainability piece though. Garlick said several times that he’d sought the right custodians for the club and we know they get shares back in the event of relegation, etc. For now, I’m trusting that whatever deal MG/JB did, they would not have allowed a situation where we are in deep trouble in the event of relegation.

[jedi_master]

Athletic article this morning suggesting a player changed his mind late on last night (from not wanting to come to wanting to come) but it was too late in the day to complete a deal/medical.

As long as a deal sheet is in the medical etc can happen afterwards can't it (Alli, for example)?

[burnley007]

Absolutely disgusting window, again.
Sometimes being a Burnley fan feels like an abusive relationship, they keep promising they won't do it again, but they do, over and over...

[NewClaret]

Athletic article this morning suggesting a player changed his mind late on last night (from not wanting to come to wanting to come) but it was too late in the day to complete a deal/medical.

Find that an odd one - think the actual paperwork required to beat the deadline is quite lightweight.

If true, presumably Barkley. Not sure I want a player who only decides he wants to be here after all other options have dissipated at the 11th hour though.

[Lancasterclaret]

I hope they do the right thing on Saturday and put up a counter on the big screens to show the views.
I’d certainly get on early to see it.

No, you are quite right to take the p**s, we'd all prefer more actual signings

But I just think its a brilliant and funny video and I'm pleased its getting the attention it deserves

[Lancasterclaret]

Got immense respect for you Lancaster and we've agreed down the years more often than not, but we diverge a bit here.

At it's simplest, if you buy a Premier League football club on a financial model that threatens its sustainability in the event of relegation and no swift return, then the least you can do is ensure the recruitment to give your gamble a chance of working.

We've had 3 windows of ALK now, and they've delivered 4 players of any note across those, and essentially those have been funded by the sales of Gibson and Wood. We ended the summer with a squad that was at least one quality player short (a midfielder, or a winger to allow McNeil to move inside) on the promise that we'd be able to fix it in the winter window. Well, that window has been and gone, and we haven't. We haven't even brought in any "ones for the future" who might be a replacement for McNeil, or Westwood, or Cork or Mee or Pope in 6, 12 or 18 months time.

It may not be entirely due to ALK's lack of capital. It may be that Dyche remains too fixated on a particular type of player, and isn't willing to look at players who he doesn't feel will deliver in the immediacy. But even if that's true, it's ultimately for ALK to set a direction and for the manager to deliver it. It may be true that they were terribly unlucky with Orsic - but that was one signing, the bare minimum beyond replacing Wood that was required, and they essentially got burned for aiming for the bare minimum at the last minute. At some point, the "hard luck" stories have to be met with a dose of reality.

This team is not good enough to get 40 points, and I disagree with your assessment that it has enough to survive. It lacks technical ability and pace, and you can probably get away without one, but not both. it has corroded over the last 3-4 years and will go down barring an astonishing underperformance from Newcastle or a capitulation of grand proportions by someone like Brentford (who managed to be creative in the market themselves).

The last regime ultimately allowed investment to stagnate for 2-3 years, and the new owners knew that when they came in. But they haven't diffused the ticking time bomb yet - they've just allowed it to tick louder. And given their repeated failures to explain their business model properly, I think we've now reached the point where questions need to be asked quite loudly. Where exactly are we headed, and what is the strategy?

Share all those concerns Spice

But I think the first 11 isn't a bad side, and if we play like we can, we can get enough

But I'm also realistic enough to know that it might not be enough

And I'm also realistic enough to know that without premier league money, a club like ours can't compete for very long, even at the level below

[Lancasterclaret]

Won’t quote it all because that is a long one, but that’s a fair and well articulated post in and amongst the overreactions.

I agree that both the former and current ownership have neglected the squad. Four signings in three windows for ALK is just not enough, given how things were left. I think Alan has done a decent job so far but he needs to look very inwardly on that front. What part Dyche has to play in that I’ve no idea, but as you say the strategic direction needs setting.

Like you, my main frustration about yesterday was the lack of forward planning. Had we gone for Vaughan, Knight, Neil, etc types after losing out on Orsic, even loaning them back, I’d have felt better about the situation.

I do disagree on the sustainability piece though. Garlick said several times that he’d sought the right custodians for the club and we know they get shares back in the event of relegation, etc. For now, I’m trusting that whatever deal MG/JB did, they would not have allowed a situation where we are in deep trouble in the event of relegation.

This, but I'd be a lot happier if we were shown how the club would be funded in the event of relegation

[TheOriginalLongsider]

If we were not bottom of the table I’m sure we would have got more signings in. I don’t think Newcastle have brought in anything like they could have so that’s good news. Watford - nothing special. Norwich nothing much. Everton - maybe but will Lamoard get them to work ?

I’m not stupid. I know we have to start winning but we’re not down yet!

[warksclaret]

This window was a sign of intent by ALK. Firstly they took the decision to sell Wood , when maybe SD was not happy, and would have first preferred a replacement in place. Secondly they knew late Friday that Orsic was not going to happen.They had 3 full days to work with SD and follow up plan B options. ITs my personal belief minimum effort took place to get anyone else signed up. I believe we were not close to signing anyone else

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/ ... 9398764545

2nd highest January transfer transactions ever

But the really interesting bit, only £1 million spent by the PL on EFL players

Everyone is looking abroad now

[warksclaret]

Right. We need to be looking for the positives here. As CT says, we have been close to securing far more points than we have now. We have games in hand - a lot. We have a lot more home games. We have been creating decent chances.

So all in all there's quite a bit to build on there.

We've shipped out a misfiring striker (although I don't think k that was our choice) and brought in a replacement (who I expect we might have been looking at anyway given Vydra's hernia and the need to freshen up the forward line).

Don't get me wrong, this has been the worst window for a long time - worse perhaps than the Summer of 2020 simply because we have seen that gutsy performances from Lennon won't really be enough and JGB and Cork have dropped off alarmingly this season. We really should have had some 2nd base backups (plenty been mentioned) for midfield.

But. We have enough cover and bodies. Cornet is back and we have a new player to freshen up the forward line. We looked more like it against Arsenal and (like against Chelsea) could even have nicked all 3.

Let's get behind the team, get the three points against Watford and start climbing the table again. All in our hands. We are almost there.

Lets see if we have enough back up when we start playing 3 games in 7 days for several weeks

[Newcastleclaret93]

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/ ... 9398764545

2nd highest January transfer transactions ever

But the really interesting bit, only £1 million spent by the PL on EFL players

Everyone is looking abroad now

Interestingly that 1m spent looks to be an absolute bargain. Looks a real talent Plange

[NewClaret]

Everyone is looking abroad now

Priced out. There’s some ridiculous fees quoted by Championship clubs.

[RVclaret]

Priced out. There’s some ridiculous fees quoted by Championship clubs.

It’s interesting, I thought with the pandemic a lot of Champ clubs would struggle and need the cash. Forest rejecting £20m for Brennan Johnson for example is crazy.

[Lancasterclaret]

Interestingly that 1m spent looks to be an absolute bargain. Looks a real talent Plange

Yup, but loaned back I think

Something we could have done, but I don't think that is how we are going to do transfers

I've said it before on this thread, but our needs are both long term (ie bringing players in to develop here) and short term (premier league survival) and we are struggling to get the balance right in a very competitive market