Sack Dyche now

[Fez]

I don't know the exact figure

[Leisure]

[Murger]

That/s Murger for you.

That's Dyches football and the happy clappers reaction to what's being served up.

[Fez]

Nothing constructive to you is there

[Barlickclaret]

Don't know who Philip is but no, I don't know the exact figure but based on his reported £3m per year it would be around £12m. Which we can't afford.

Why and who says we can't afford? Clubs sack managers every season, are Burnley the only club who have to see the managers full contract out??

[Somethingfishy]

I think the wind swirling around just made it impossible to predict where the ball would end up.
If we play well and beat manure on Tuesday, all will be forgotten.

You can just see it now....February 2024....." If we beat Burton on Tuesday night...all will be forgotten"

[Vegas Claret]

You said we lacked quality. If you think that you are oblivious to the conditions. Similar to your high tempo comment. Never gonna happen today. It was a grim watch.

I've seen plenty of teams play far better than we do in poor conditions. Glad to know the weather stops people running into space and hitting 10 yard passes. Who would have thought a bit of wind and rain is all that is needed for people to seemingly forget the last season and a half of majority abject performances.

[Barlickclaret]

Been to Burton and we were beaten in cup, so let's hope on that Tues night it's somebody worse than them.

[Vegas Claret]

I think the wind swirling around just made it impossible to predict where the ball would end up.
If we play well and beat manure on Tuesday, all will be forgotten.

I genuinely admire your hope Taffy

[Leisure]

Why and who says we can't afford? Clubs sack managers every season, are Burnley the only club who have to see the managers full contract out??

No we're not but you really want to spend £12m or so just to sack him?? Wouldn't you rather we spent our limited resources on players?

[taio]

I've seen plenty of teams play far better than we do in poor conditions. Glad to know the weather stops people running into space and hitting 10 yard passes. Who would have thought a bit of wind and rain is all that is needed for people to seemingly forget the last season and a half of majority abject performances.

I'm judging today on its own merits and not the last season and half. Didn't enjoy any of it but the conditions were dreadful. I haven't seen the post match comments from the two managers but I've no doubt they will refer to exceptionally difficult conditions. It was hard enough from the stands which you don't get from the tele.

[DCWat]

Don't know who Philip is but no, I don't know the exact figure but based on his reported £3m per year it would be around £12m. Which we can't afford.

Plus whatever else for Woan, Stone et al.

[Leisure]

Nothing constructive to you is there

Sometimes!

[bobinho]

Has huge credit in the bank but if he’s not 100% focused on mounting a proper promotion challenge with us next season then we have to get rid and get someone in who will be.

Who that person is, God only knows.

Promotion challenge? Tonite was an opportunity to demonstrate we have more than that about us. We are here and we are now. That game was easily winnable. Did we have a shot????

[agreenwood]

I don’t think we should sack Dyche. Even if we did, I’d realise it’s a very unattractive job right now and we’d basically be looking at a caretaker for the next 3 months.

[Boss Hogg]

Don't know who Philip is but no, I don't know the exact figure but based on his reported £3m per year it would be around £12m. Which we can't afford.

Can’t we ? We could afford that amount for Weghorst and others ? Can we afford not to have PL TV income ?

[taio]

Can’t we ? We could afford that amount for Weghorst and others ? Can we afford not to have PL TV income ?

No we can't afford it.

[LowtonClaret]

I have supported the gaffer for years but I cant no more. Even if we stay up I can't cope with his style if you tell players they aren't skillful enough to play against City, they will believe it. Time for a fresh set of eyes and support with the board

[alf_resco]

If the penny hasn't dropped already for Mr Pace, he's soon going to realise that Dyche had his pants down over that new 4 yr contract.
Said it before, Dyche played a blinder on that one.

[Leisure]

Can’t we ? We could afford that amount for Weghorst and others ? Can we afford not to have PL TV income ?

But there's no guarantee that sacking Dyche at a cost of around £12m will keep us in the PL.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm judging today on its own merits and not the last season and half. Didn't enjoy any of it but the conditions were dreadful. I haven't seen the post match comments from the two managers but I've no doubt they will refer to exceptionally difficult conditions. It was hard enough from the stands which you don't get from the tele.

you could see how poor the conditions were Taio, commentators referenced it plenty. Doesn't affect our ability to pass and move instead of hoofing it to Maxwel though or make it hard work for Watford. I mentioned it elsewhere, Dyche often says we work in a no excuses environment yet here we are

[Vegas Claret]

No we can't afford it.

I'm not for one second saying we should pot Dyche, I just wonder if there was a clause put in his contract that if we are relegated we reserve the right to get rid at a much reduced rate (works the same way as compensation if someone comes in for him) - I've not heard either way obviously, it would surprise me if something like that isn't in place though tbh

[taio]

you could see how poor the conditions were Taio, commentators referenced it plenty. Doesn't affect our ability to pass and move instead of hoofing it to Maxwel though or make it hard work for Watford. I mentioned it elsewhere, Dyche often says we work in a no excuses environment yet here we are

Of course it affected our ability to pass and move. Anybody who has played football at any level will know that such conditions have a detrimental impact on the quality of the game. It was dreadful weather conditions and a dreadful game.

[daveisaclaret]

It'd get worse if we sacked Dyche. It can always get worse.

[bobinho]

No we're not but you really want to spend £12m or so just to sack him?? Wouldn't you rather we spent our limited resources on players?

I would sooner spend it on players.

But when have we done that Pete? We were gonna, we had him in the bag, it was a done deal, it was sorted, we were laughing. We got **** all. Nothing.

Look. We can blame our predicament on bad luck or players dropping us in it at the last minute or whatever, but ultimately Dyche and his limited tactics has to accept responsibility for the bad results and terrible performances. That team we put out today should have mullered Watford. We didn’t. We didn’t even have a shot on target. Our tactical nouse is limited, and we don’t take advantage of what little advantages we have.

Take McNeil for example (and I wish someone would) he’s been absolutely SHOCKING for ages now. Really bad, really really bad. Why on earth he manages to hold a midfield place in the side is staggering. When he got into the side all he wanted to do was drive forward and attack. Now? Framework. He’s had the football coached out of him. He’s been ruined. We were talking about some club or another paying £40m+ for this lad if they wanted him. He was an asset. He wouldn’t pull £4m as it is now.

We are done at this level.

[Somethingfishy]

The reasons for not sacking Dyche need to be purely football and the here and now. His contract (whilst costly) shouldn't be used and neither should the "he's the best to get us out of the Championship" argument either. It should be who is best to get us out of this mess we are in.

I don't think it is Dyche. He's run out of ideas. We are doing the same things...same performance issues game after game. I'd like him to try something different. New formation etc but he seems completely glued to 4-4-2 now. Stubborn to the last.

[Murger]

Of course it affected our ability to pass and move. Anybody who has played football at any level will know that such conditions have a detrimental impact on the quality of the game. It was dreadful weather conditions and a dreadful game.

We don't do pass and move.

[Claret3495]

If only the clib could! His latest contract makes him unsackable, and most people seem to be happy with the total crap he serves up weekly. Busted flush.

[jrgbfc]

Dyche can't dine out on his past achievements forever.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Straw that broke the camels back. Just get rid now.

Why not arrange a protext ?

Dont be a coward and mouth online we play Tuesday sort it.. you won;t though will you

[steve1264b]

Hand on heart I've felt we were going to go down this season for some time, only our managers previous record allowed me to dream we might stay up.

We will fight to the end, I'm confident of that, last week we got a draw at Arsenal.

If we assume we are to be relegated, and i can't see that there is an obvious replacement that would keep us up, the question has to be who is best equipped to get results in the championship?

The first cab of the rank has to be our current manager with his track record. It would be madness to not give him the chance.

However, there are frustrations. I would like to see us bring in Collins and play 3 centre halves with Taylor and Roberts pushing on getting 5 into midfield.

Also i have to assume that Cork is not fit, otherwise in a game we needed to win there is no way we should only be using one sub.

The conclusion from tonights game is that we just aren't good enough but we have a team of honest toilers. A new manager won't change that.

[claretgimmer]

So Dyche is bulletproof, if we are relegated and doing crap next season in the championship he still can`t be touched because he will only be two years into his 4 yr contract and would still cost millions to dismiss when we have even less financial resources, so League 2 here we come then at least we change the manager after his contract expires. Sorry Alan he`s done you up like a kipper.

[taio]

So Dyche is bulletproof, if we are relegated and doing crap next season in the championship he still can`t be touched because he will only be two years into his 4 yr contract and would still cost millions to dismiss when we have even less financial resources, so League 2 here we come then at least we change the manager after his contract expires. Sorry Alan he`s done you up like a kipper.

His contract also has relegation clauses. So his salary is more commensurate to the league we are in than you think. We won't end up in League 2 with Dyche but if we did he wouldn't earn £75k a week.

[Newcastleclaret93]

His contract also has relegation clauses. So his salary is more commensurate to the league we are in than you think. We won't end up in League 2 with Dyche but if we did he wouldn't earn £75k a week.

Is that true?
I haven’t seen that reported anywhere

[taio]

Is that true?
I haven’t seen that reported anywhere

Yes.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes.

Can you share the link?

[claretgimmer]

Is that fact or supposition taio, it makes sense but doesn`t mean it was included unless you are in the know

[taio]

Can you share the link?

No.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No.

So is it reported then?

[taio]

So is it reported then?

I don't know.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't know.

I’m sorry but I’m confused. How do you know there is a relegation clause if it’s not reported anywhere

[taio]

I’m sorry but I’m confused. How do you know there is a relegation clause if it’s not reported anywhere

Because it's not based online media, reports and social media.

[BaronGarcia]

Stone has been toxic for this club. He is just another ‘Dyche mate’ and I know the club is trying to appoint the right people for the job, rather than the ‘he is a good lad and I will vouch for him’. I think this team and club would be better off without Stone, just my opinion of course ….

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Managers tend to have performance related bonuses that we all hear about, it would stand to reason they'd have relegation clauses but I've never heard them mentioned or reported on and I've never given it much thought because more often than not the managers are potted.

[Bin Ont Turf]

You just know there will be a thread like this when the result is disappointing and you just know who will be posting on it.

Correct.

But when does the time come when we're all on the same page?

1 win in 2/3/4 years?

I'm not in the camp of getting shut of Dyche (yet) but we're absolutely shite at the minute and haven't progressed as a team for the full length of our time being in the Premier League,

Hopefully Wout, Cornet etc will be here long enough and able enough to change that.

We're f***ing shite though.

[Vegas Claret]

Of course it affected our ability to pass and move. Anybody who has played football at any level will know that such conditions have a detrimental impact on the quality of the game. It was dreadful weather conditions and a dreadful game.

Having played competitive football for about 20 years I know I can hit a 10-15 yard pass on the deck with far more accuracy then a 40 yard ball in the air when it's windy. You carry on making excuses for some mind boggling tactics (especially given the weather)

[taio]

Having played competitive football for about 20 years I know I can hit a 10-15 yard pass on the deck with far more accuracy then a 40 yard ball in the air when it's windy. You carry on making excuses for some mind boggling tactics (especially given the weather)

And that's the case in all conditions. You are stating the obvious. I'm not defending tactics. I've not once referred to tactics. I'm referring to the dreadful conditions that you cant appreciate watching on the tele.

[Nonayforever]

Dyche won't get sacked, he won't change formation or tactics. The threat of relegation is now pretty high.

Going down and having a clear out may be a blessing in disguise.
Unfortunately Dyche will still continue with his system , even with new players in a different league.

The most telling & disappointing aspect of his recent tenure is the signing of WW. We had the choice of buying a young player for the future, a fast player or a skilful player. Dyche chose the tallest player he could find in Europe.

[Ric_C]

I would sooner spend it on players.

But when have we done that Pete? We were gonna, we had him in the bag, it was a done deal, it was sorted, we were laughing. We got **** all. Nothing.

Look. We can blame our predicament on bad luck or players dropping us in it at the last minute or whatever, but ultimately Dyche and his limited tactics has to accept responsibility for the bad results and terrible performances. That team we put out today should have mullered Watford. We didn’t. We didn’t even have a shot on target. Our tactical nouse is limited, and we don’t take advantage of what little advantages we have.

Take McNeil for example (and I wish someone would) he’s been absolutely SHOCKING for ages now. Really bad, really really bad. Why on earth he manages to hold a midfield place in the side is staggering. When he got into the side all he wanted to do was drive forward and attack. Now? Framework. He’s had the football coached out of him. He’s been ruined. We were talking about some club or another paying £40m+ for this lad if they wanted him. He was an asset. He wouldn’t pull £4m as it is now.

We are done at this level.

Not to be nit-picky but we did have 2 decent shots on target from Maxwel, and we hit the bar (I know that doesn't count). I agree with your McNeil comments though, not sure what has happened to him, he seems to have forgotten how to beat his man on the outside and cross it.

[barracuda]

The only problem for our club and fine manager - are the fans. Like those posting in here

Terrible reading this. We have crap fans now. We didn't use to have