I thought it was a pretty decent performance.

[MACCA]

And the OP is exactly why we will continue to see this dire and tragic football.
Clearly doesn't attend

We couldn't pass the ball 20 yards, instead we hoofed it aimlessly.
What the hell do we do on the training ground Monday to Friday?

I hate being right as per Newcastle, if you fail to have a shot, never mind sxire against the 3 next to worst teams in the division, you're in trouble

That's Norwich, Newcastle and Watford for those that don't understand football like the OP.

[Rombald]

And the OP is exactly why we will continue to see this dire and tragic football.
Clearly doesn't attend

We couldn't pass the ball 20 yards, instead we hoofed it aimlessly.
What the hell do we do on the training ground Monday to Friday?

I hate being right as per Newcastle, if you fail to have a shot, never mind sxire against the 3 next to worst teams in the division, you're in trouble

That's Norwich, Newcastle and Watford for those that don't understand football like the OP.

Terrible game, however we did have a shot. More than one .
The op has no input into how we play, so I fail to see how he/she is exactly why we will continue to see this type of football.

[MACCA]

Terrible game, however we did have a shot. More than one .
The op has no input into how we play, so I fail to see how he/she is exactly why we will continue to see this type of football.

By Accepting it as good enough.
These people are part of the problem, not the solution.

I genuinely cannot believe anyone who knows anything about football can describe that performance as good.

Thankfully even the most blinkered are seeing what football people could see back... Well a long time

[Lancasterclaret]

I think the OP has described it as good

No one else has

[Rombald]

By Accepting it as good enough.
These people are part of the problem, not the solution.

I genuinely cannot believe anyone who knows anything about football can describe that performance as good.

Thankfully even the most blinkered are seeing what football people could see back... Well a long time

I'm agreeing that performance really poor, however people saying it's good or bad make no difference to how we play. We haven't got time but need weghorst to settle in and indeed Roberts. The threads on these two are particularly painful. Weghorst is a good ctr fwd,

[Belial]

And the OP is exactly why we will continue to see this dire and tragic football.
Clearly doesn't attend

We couldn't pass the ball 20 yards, instead we hoofed it aimlessly.
What the hell do we do on the training ground Monday to Friday?

I hate being right as per Newcastle, if you fail to have a shot, never mind sxire against the 3 next to worst teams in the division, you're in trouble

That's Norwich, Newcastle and Watford for those that don't understand football like the OP.

He doesn't attend no..but it's best to ignore him as he just comes on here either to try and be controversial, or to get likes as a he's a 'superfan' seeking attention.

As for the game, a Newcastle fan summed it up when they tweeted after the game 'when will Burnley fans realise that it isn't the strikers or Chris Wood that was the problem, it was their midfield'. Not one clear chance created yesterday, yet again, against one of the bottom teams. Some people don't agree with stats, but the expected goals for us has very rarely been over 1.0 this season - in other words we haven't created enough for even one goal per game. We're lucky that Maxwel's goals have been beauties because quite a few of his have come out of nothing. We keep saying it but until that stat increases, we have no hope. The trouble is, we have nobody that can create anything (other than McNeil who seems to have forgotten how to go forward).

[ClaretPete001]

I'm pretty much cup half empty and I thought we were down after the Newcastle game but I thought it was a decent performance. If we had pinched a goal it would have been seen as a classic Burnley performance.

The problem last night was probably 3 fold. We didn't have Lowton and Taylor's forward play on the wings. We didn't have Jack Cork's work rate and press in the centre of midfield and we didn't have two bruising centre forwards able to hold the play up and win free kicks.

The result is the press isn't what it was in previous seasons, the ability to win second phase ball isn't what it was and consequently the chances we create aren't what they were....!

The reality is that we haven't had a good window since 17/18. The players purchased have too often been too old and in 18/19 we paid £26 million for two players who have barely been able to hold down a first team place.

We now have to keep cool heads and plan for next year.

[ClaretPete001]

He doesn't attend no..but it's best to ignore him as he just comes on here either to try and be controversial, or to get likes as a he's a 'superfan' seeking attention.

As for the game, a Newcastle fan summed it up when they tweeted after the game 'when will Burnley fans realise that it isn't the strikers or Chris Wood that was the problem, it was their midfield'. Not one clear chance created yesterday, yet again, against one of the bottom teams. Some people don't agree with stats, but the expected goals for us has very rarely been over 1.0 this season - in other words we haven't created enough for even one goal per game. We're lucky that Maxwel's goals have been beauties because quite a few of his have come out of nothing. We keep saying it but until that stat increases, we have no hope. The trouble is, we have nobody that can create anything (other than McNeil who seems to have forgotten how to go forward).

We've had 6 seasons in the Premiership and as far as I can recall only Defour was a classic creative player albeit he worked hard as well. Other than that we've had a hard pressing 4-4-2.

[MACCA]

He doesn't attend no..but it's best to ignore him as he just comes on here either to try and be controversial, or to get likes as a he's a 'superfan' seeking attention.

I thought as much, I don't think anyone who attends can put a gloss on that.

Even the binkered ones that don't know much about football yet do attend are starting to wake up and realise there's something wrong

[elwaclaret]

Had we been beat I think morale would have plummeted, but in awful conditions we got a draw against a team set up to frustrate us… a few weeks ago we lost that one, yesterday we were the width of the crossbar from getting a unlikely 1-0. We were solid and have that to build on. For me we are now a lucky goal away from getting the camel off our backs. I still believe we will pull clear.

[quoonbeatz]

I'd much rather it had been the Liverpool or Utd game in those conditions, rather than Watford. I thought both teams did about as well as they could in conditions that anyone who has played in those conditions, will tell you are the worst for playing football. Nil nil was nailed on as soon as I saw the weather and the minimum requirement was not to lose the game.

Not a night for new players to shine and not a night to be judging either team.

[Jakubclaret]

If it was 11 vs 11 in a dry sunny conditions & the result was a home draw it would be criticised the only difference is replace dry & sunny with wet & windy, the conditions are being used as an excuse both sides had to play the game so it’s like for like we didn’t have the edge irrespective of any conditions.

[Belial]

We've had 6 seasons in the Premiership and as far as I can recall only Defour was a classic creative player albeit he worked hard as well. Other than that we've had a hard pressing 4-4-2.

Probabably in terms of creative type players - although we've had players like Arfield that have been able to take a man on and score himself, JBG 'used' to be able to take a man on and create a chance from out wide as did McNeil, full backs that would create something, players that could pass forward like Marney and Barton, heck even Hendrick would pop up with the odd goal every now and again. We haven't got any of that this season

[taio]

If it was 11 vs 11 in a dry sunny conditions & the result was a home draw it would be criticised the only difference is replace dry & sunny with wet & windy, the conditions are being used as an excuse both sides had to play the game so it’s like for like we didn’t have the edge irrespective of any conditions.

Both teams were shite. The game was shite. The weather was big influencing factor - anybody at the ground last night will surely appreciate that. It's more of a reality than an excuse.

[bfcjg]

A couple of times we kept the ball and looked ok,however a couple of times isn't enough.

[Ric_C]

If it was 11 vs 11 in a dry sunny conditions & the result was a home draw it would be criticised the only difference is replace dry & sunny with wet & windy, the conditions are being used as an excuse both sides had to play the game so it’s like for like we didn’t have the edge irrespective of any conditions.

C'mon mate the conditions were awful. Didn't suit our percentage style of football at all. Unless you had a team like City who play it on the deck ALL the time, then it was always going to be a bit of a lottery. Plus we had a few players back from injury, Cornet only just back from Afcon, Weghorst new to the team and how we play etc.

Of course it was dire, but that's 2 clean sheets on the trot now, at least it's something to build on.

[quoonbeatz]

If it was 11 vs 11 in a dry sunny conditions & the result was a home draw it would be criticised the only difference is replace dry & sunny with wet & windy, the conditions are being used as an excuse both sides had to play the game so it’s like for like we didn’t have the edge irrespective of any conditions.

Dry and sunny would have been shite too. Everyone who's played the game knows the best conditions for football are overcast, cool air and a bit of drizzle to put some zip on the pitch.

[Jakubclaret]

Both teams were shite. The game was shite. The weather was big influencing factor - anybody at the ground last night will surely appreciate that. It's more of a reality than an excuse.

Yes it was but that shouldn’t be a free pass away from criticism, I’m sure in the history of football 2 teams would have played in similar conditions if not worse & 1 team would have played far better & convincingly won regardless of any poor weather, it can happen, it’s a ready made excuse in a long line I guess so that’s no surprise.

[quoonbeatz]

Yes it was but that shouldn’t be a free pass away from criticism, I’m sure in the history of football 2 teams would have played in similar conditions if not worse & 1 team would have played far better & convincingly won regardless of any poor weather, it can happen, it’s a ready made excuse in a long line I guess so that’s no surprise.

Absolutely nobody is using the weather as an excuse or a free pass from criticism or anything else. But if you think both team's performance wasn't affected by the weather, you're not living in the real world. But that's no surprise.

[claretandbluesky]

Seems like the Spanish and Italians don’t mind a bit of sun Quoon.

[ClaretPete001]

Probabably in terms of creative type players - although we've had players like Arfield that have been able to take a man on and score himself, JBG 'used' to be able to take a man on and create a chance from out wide as did McNeil, full backs that would create something, players that could pass forward like Marney and Barton, heck even Hendrick would pop up with the odd goal every now and again. We haven't got any of that this season

I don't think you could call Hendrick, Marney or Arfield creative players but there were players that could maintain the press and get forward, which neither Westwood of Stephens looked capable of last night.

Saying that I think Westwood is a great player but Cork did a tonne of donkey work as well.

[taio]

Yes it was but that shouldn’t be a free pass away from criticism, I’m sure in the history of football 2 teams would have played in similar conditions if not worse & 1 team would have played far better & convincingly won regardless of any poor weather, it can happen, it’s a ready made excuse in a long line I guess so that’s no surprise.

Im saying that the weather significantly and detrimently affected the game for both teams. Because it did and that's indisputable. You call it an excuse whereas I call it reality.

[evensteadiereddie]

You weren't even there, jakub but I'll respond.

I was pleasantly surprised, albeit with my heart in my mouth, when some of the long crossfield passes out wide worked beautifully only to be confounded by one or two routine short passes that were horrifically misplaced.


Conditions did play a part and I'm not mocking you by saying you had to be there to believe it but the simple fact is that Watford set up, in midfield particular, to not lose. They were bigger in size and numbers, strong and pressed so well that, the first ten minutes apart, we struggled.
We weren't bad just outmuscled.

[Jakubclaret]

Absolutely nobody is using the weather as an excuse or a free pass from criticism or anything else. But if you think both team's performance wasn't affected by the weather, you're not living in the real world. But that's no surprise.

Don’t care about Watford’s performance, it’s like for like (apart from home advantage) regardless of any factors in a very very important game, as a eg - postmen have to work in wet & blustery conditions sometimes days on end & I’m pretty sure there’s no drop off in deliveries or performance related issues in winter or summer, 100 letters or whatever will be delivered the same seasonally. If you are determined enough nothing gets in the way from achieving results.

[quoonbeatz]

Seems like the Spanish and Italians don’t mind a bit of sun Quoon.

Well known they it's not their favourite though. Countless times when the sign for an English club they say the prospect of playing on an October pitch was the biggest pull.

[taio]

Don’t care about Watford’s performance, it’s like for like (apart from home advantage) regardless of any factors in a very very important game, as a eg - postmen have to work in wet & blustery conditions sometimes days on end & I’m pretty sure there’s no drop off in deliveries or performance related issues in winter or summer, 100 letters or whatever will be delivered the same seasonally. If you are determined enough nothing gets in the way from achieving results.

[Belial]

I don't think you could call Hendrick, Marney or Arfield creative players but there were players that could maintain the press and get forward, which neither Westwood of Stephens looked capable of last night.

Saying that I think Westwood is a great player but Cork did a tonne of donkey work as well.

I agree, they aren't that type of player (probably Arfield the most likely to actually make something happen) but they still had the ability to actually create something and chip in with the odd goal. Westwood has been great for us up to this year - his blind passes haven't come off for us and he's been caught out of possession a few times but he's not had any help from the rest of the MF either

[Rombald]

Don’t care about Watford’s performance, it’s like for like (apart from home advantage) regardless of any factors in a very very important game, as a eg - postmen have to work in wet & blustery conditions sometimes days on end & I’m pretty sure there’s no drop off in deliveries or performance related issues in winter or summer, 100 letters or whatever will be delivered the same seasonally. If you are determined enough nothing gets in the way from achieving results.

Not sure postmen do 20 yard deliveries. Think you may be struggling if we are using postmen as a yardstick

[quoonbeatz]

Don’t care about Watford’s performance, it’s like for like (apart from home advantage) regardless of any factors in a very very important game, as a eg - postmen have to work in wet & blustery conditions sometimes days on end & I’m pretty sure there’s no drop off in deliveries or performance related issues in winter or summer, 100 letters or whatever will be delivered the same seasonally. If you are determined enough nothing gets in the way from achieving results.

I forgot the postman has an oppostman going round trying to stop the deliveries.

[evensteadiereddie]

"sun Quoon".............does that come with rice ?

[evensteadiereddie]

No problem, even for the CFS, in singing a song for our new signing, Jakub's postman....

[ClaretPete001]

You weren't even there, jakub but I'll respond.

I was pleasantly surprised, albeit with my heart in my mouth, when some of the long crossfield passes out wide worked beautifully only to be confounded by one or two routine short passes that were horrifically misplaced.


Conditions did play a part and I'm not mocking you by saying you had to be there to believe it but the simple fact is that Watford set up, in midfield particular, to not lose. They were bigger in size and numbers, strong and pressed so well that, the first ten minutes apart, we struggled.
We weren't bad just outmuscled.

We have 3 players with an average age of 33 in midfield - what does anyone expect? And I mean that as a general comment not specific to the quoted one.

[Jakubclaret]

You weren't even there, jakub but I'll respond.

I was pleasantly surprised, albeit with my heart in my mouth, when some of the long crossfield passes out wide worked beautifully only to be confounded by one or two routine short passes that were horrifically misplaced.


Conditions did play a part and I'm not mocking you by saying you had to be there to believe it but the simple fact is that Watford set up, in midfield particular, to not lose. They were bigger in size and numbers, strong and pressed so well that, the first ten minutes apart, we struggled.
We weren't bad just outmuscled.

I was in Burnley & I watched the game on the TV, the weather in Burnley outside of turf moor was exactly the same as in the stadium you didn’t walk into some sort of a alternative universe when walking through the turnstiles into different weather, you could actually argue in the stadium it was better as you was encircled & cushioned from the weather.

[taio]

I was in Burnley & I watched the game on the TV, the weather in Burnley outside of turf moor was exactly the same as in the stadium you didn’t walk into some sort of a alternative universe when walking through the turnstiles into different weather, you could actually argue in the stadium it was better as you was encircled & cushioned from the weather.

What we're you doing outside in that weather if you weren't at the game. Posting some letters highly effectively?

[ClaretPete001]

I was in Burnley & I watched the game on the TV, the weather in Burnley outside of turf moor was exactly the same as in the stadium you didn’t walk into some sort of a alternative universe when walking through the turnstiles into different weather, you could actually argue in the stadium it was better as you was encircled & cushioned from the weather.

To be fair Jakub the 90 minutes I spent prior to the game in the pub felt a lot less hostile, wet and windy than the 90 minutes on Turf.

It clearly affected the quality but you can't say that the game of or the way we played was a surprise.

So, in some ways both points are correct the weather did affect the game but in may ways- performance wise - the song remains the same.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yup, it was really cushioned or encircled so much so that one of the corner flags was horizontal and all sorts of crap was blowing about. You could argue that conditions were better inside the Turf but you'd be talking crap.
"I was in Burnley and watched the game on the TV" - aye, OK , then - perhaps you should have sat outside looking through the window for a more authentic expereience.
Talking of alternative universes, is your postman really that good ?

[KRBFC]

Thankfully even the most blinkered are seeing what football people could see back... Well a long time

I was just the negative one 4 years ago calling for Marco Silva I'd swap places with Fulham right now in an instance, no questions asked.

[willsclarets]

Andy Townshend said it was the worst he'd ever seen us play post-match. While I've certainly seen us play worse, it certainly wasn't decent either. Appreciate the weather wasn't good, but this is the top tier of one of the top leagues in the world. If you can't adapt to conditions, get in a decent final ball, or even make a 5 yard pass, you're in trouble.

If we were decent Watford were very good because they were the better side all told. If you can't beat and/or dominate anyone at home (one single game aside) then you can't expect to stay up. A decent performance at home to Watford should equal a win, or very unlucky only to draw. We weren't unlucky, we weren't anywhere near decent.

[bobinho]

One thing I do know, is that we will badly miss Tarky. He won absolutely everything today, in the air and on the floor. Colossal.

Beckenbauer-esque right up to the point he had the opportunity to prove he was the living re-incarnation of the kaiser. Raced out from defence with the ball at his feet, a great looking break was on the cards as he thundered through midfield with the ball. Time and space was his. All he had to do was time the release of his pass properly, but he waited, and he waited, and he waited, and he waited, and he waited… and when he finally DID release the ball, I very quickly realised that he actually isn’t like Beckenbauer at all.

Still, he had a good game.

[quoonbeatz]

I watched MOTD and anyone who watched the game on telly would have had absolute no idea what the conditions were like at the ground. It looked like a normal day on the box.

[KRBFC]

I watched MOTD and anyone who watched the game on telly would have had absolute no idea what the conditions were like at the ground. It looked like a normal day on the box.

making weather excuses is just buying your head in the sand though, we're shite, wake up.

[evensteadiereddie]

Silva did a year at Watford four years ago, failed at Everton and inherited a half decent, well - funded yo-yo club.
Hardly the shining endorsement of your self-styled football nous, KBRFC............

You don't go the Turf, you've sniped and bitched from the sidelines for years and now, when we appear to have gone as far as we can, we get your pathetic "I told you so" bullshit.

FWIW, I'd swap places with Liverpool "right now in an instace, no questions asked...."

[KRBFC]

Silva did a year at Watford four years ago, failed at Everton and inherited a half decent, well - funded yo-yo club.
Hardly the shining endorsement of your self-styled football nous, KBRFC............

FWIW, I'd swap places with Liverpool "right now in an instace, no questions asked...."

I said Fulham though (a team in the division below) not Liverpool.

Why is it not a shining endorsement of my football nous? Smashing records, most goals scored in England, about to win the title and replace us. I know when I see good football.

[evensteadiereddie]

Beckenbauer-esque right up to the point he had the opportunity to prove he was the living re-incarnation of the kaiser. Raced out from defence with the ball at his feet, a great looking break was on the cards as he thundered through midfield with the ball. Time and space was his. All he had to do was time the release of his pass properly, but he waited, and he waited, and he waited, and he waited, and he waited… and when he finally DID release the ball, I very quickly realised that he actually isn’t like Beckenbauer at all.

Still, he had a good game.

I was waiting for the rocket shot, swirling, wind-assisted to bust the net but no.....

[KRBFC]

I was waiting for the rocket shot, swirling, wind-assisted to bust the net but no.....

from your couch in Staffordshire? glory seeking shitbag go support your local side

[quoonbeatz]

making weather excuses is just buying your head in the sand though, we're shite, wake up.

Thinking anyone is making excuses given what's been said is very, very thick indeed. Wake up.

[evensteadiereddie]

I said Fulham though (a team in the division below) not Liverpool.

Why is it not a shining endorsement of my football nous? Smashing records, most goals scored in England, about to win the title and replace us. I know when I see good football.

So do I and not just on my telly . Y

As I said, he inherited a decent side with decent money. He's not been there four years, has he ?

[ClaretPete001]

I said Fulham though (a team in the division below) not Liverpool.

Why is it not a shining endorsement of my football nous? Smashing records, most goals scored in England, about to win the title and replace us. I know when I see good football.

Fulham have spent a lot more money than Burnley over the last 3 or so years.

[taio]

I said Fulham though (a team in the division below) not Liverpool.

Why is it not a shining endorsement of my football nous? Smashing records, most goals scored in England, about to win the title and replace us. I know when I see good football.

You have distanced yourself from your Silva comments in the past when it suits and criticised others for bringing it up. You are now referring to Silva - again when it suits - because of your agenda. Let's see how they get on if they get promoted because comparing the Championship to the Premier League is like comparing apples with oranges. You have demonstrated over the years your football nous or lack of it.

[KRBFC]

Fulham have spent a lot more money than Burnley over the last 3 or so years.

Not sure about that, no idea on the relevance, he hasn't been there 3 years.