Sack Dyche now

[randomclaret2]

Look, I’d have been perfectly happy to sack Dyche after his teamsheet in Istanbul (and in earlier rounds where we ragged it through). That pretty much consigned us to having survival as our only objective each season which personally isn’t for me. That issue is now in the past though.

But people saying pot him after a draw with a relegation rival in horrendous conditions when we have players just bedding into the team - that’s bonkers, not least because the result has ensured that our survival remains in our hands due to our games in hand.

Of course we need to start scoring, but many of us believe that will soon happen with Cornet and Weghorst playing regularly.

Our form has been abysmal for many months, not just yesterday.

[Somethingfishy]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!

*six straight years in the premier league*

hahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaha!

Seriously mate, are you okay?

I get the incredulity you place on what he said but ask yourself this. If we sacked Dyche and he was looking for work do you think he would get another Premier League job?
The answer is no.

[Hedontplayforyou]

What do you expect us to be doing when we haven’t bought anyone for the first team in god knows how many windows until this season?

I do think he should change shape however , playing on the break with a 4-3-3/4-5-1 may be the answer for me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I get the incredulity you place on what he said but ask yourself this. If we sacked Dyche and he was looking for work do you think he would get another Premier League job?
The answer is no.

I actually think he would, proven to keep a club up and can work within a tight budget if required.
Has managed to get a club into 7th place.

That's more than many managers have done including the much vaunted Howe and successive Watford managers etc.

[Jakubclaret]

I actually think he would, proven to keep a club up and can work within a tight budget if required.
Has managed to get a club into 7th place.

That's more than many managers have done including the much vaunted Howe and successive Watford managers etc.

If he was available then I think somebody might take a punt but not desirable enough for a club to pay compensation to prise him away due to his current record.

[Dark Cloud]

He's given us something I never, ever thought I'd see in my lifetime. When we dropped out of Div 1 in 1976 I assumed we'd be back fairly sharpish, but we weren't. In fact far from it and we wandered around in the wilderness for years on end with no real or serious hope of ever emerging from it. Dyche changed all that and actually worked a major miracle, especially by sustaining it over a number of seasons when basically everybody else in our league has had far greater resources (Norwich excepted) If it goes wrong now and we get relegated, it absolutely won't be his fault. It's because in 2022 (not 1960) Burnley as a Premier League team is virtually unsustainable without huge, huge slices of luck and a whole bunch of stars coming into alignment. I'd never sack him because he's given a long suffering and ageing Claret some bloody amazing experiences he never thought he'd have. Thank you Sean! Now where should we site the statue?

[ewanrob]

Just look at Steve Copper at Forest, a Forest team that was doing absolutely nothing under Houghton just 3 month ago, please don't tell me someone else couldn't Improve these players we have. He has become stale, and talks and coaches nothing but repetitive rubbish.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If he was available then I think somebody might take a punt but not desirable enough for a club to pay compensation to prise him away due to his current record.

He was set to go to Sunderland that time before Advocaat changed his mind and stayed.

I agree the compo is a stumbling block now.

[Somethingfishy]

Be careful what your wish for must be the most overused phrase on this messageboard.

How dare anyone hope for better. How dare we ask to be entertained occasionally, just be thankful that Sean Dyche can lift himself out of bed each week for a paltry £70k per week, get himself to Burnley and keep repeating the same trick even though it’s clearly not working.

Be careful what you wish for everybody.

Spot on. I feel "Be careful what you wish for" should replace "Exciting times" as the new snappy phrase

[Somethingfishy]

He's given us something I never, ever thought I'd see in my lifetime. When we dropped out of Div 1 in 1976 I assumed we'd be back fairly sharpish, but we weren't. In fact far from it and we wandered around in the wilderness for years on end with no real or serious hope of ever emerging from it. Dyche changed all that and actually worked a major miracle, especially by sustaining it over a number of seasons when basically everybody else in our league has had far greater resources (Norwich excepted) If it goes wrong now and we get relegated, it absolutely won't be his fault. It's because in 2022 (not 1960) Burnley as a Premier League team is virtually unsustainable without huge, huge slices of luck and a whole bunch of stars coming into alignment. I'd never sack him because he's given a long suffering and ageing Claret some bloody amazing experiences he never thought he'd have. Thank you Sean! Now where should we site the statue?

Not sure how to post a meme but if i could it would be of someone banging their head on a desk.

Remember guys...Be careful what you wish for!

[Safron]

I don't think SD is under any pressure and there lays the problem, his new contract makes him unsackable no matter what our performances are like, how bad does it have to get? Attendances are steadily dropping performances are poor next 2 games could be really ugly results for us, and confidence at an all time low.

[Vegas Claret]

I don't think SD is under any pressure and there lays the problem, his new contract makes him unsackable no matter what our performances are like, how bad does it have to get? Attendances are steadily dropping performances are poor next 2 games could be really ugly results for us, and confidence at an all time low.

all depends what clauses are in the contract

[Granny WeatherWax]

Last 20 PL home games.
17 scored.
11 from open play.
Only scored more than once 3 times.
Have failed to score in 9.
Have failed to score from open play in 12.

Garlick gets the blame, but how many players has Dyche signed since he last signed an attacking midfielder? Brownhill was an AM but has been turned into a workhorse. Same happened to Hendrick.

Time for a change, and some fresh ideas for the championship battle next season.

[Boss Hogg]

Last 20 PL home games.
17 scored.
11 from open play.
Only scored more than once 3 times.
Have failed to score in 9.
Have failed to score from open play in 12.

Garlick gets the blame, but how many players has Dyche signed since he last signed an attacking midfielder? Brownhill was an AM but has been turned into a workhorse. Same happened to Hendrick.

Time for a change, and some fresh ideas for the championship battle next season.

That really is an abysmal record.

[Somethingfishy]

Last 20 PL home games.
17 scored.
11 from open play.
Only scored more than once 3 times.
Have failed to score in 9.
Have failed to score from open play in 12.

Garlick gets the blame, but how many players has Dyche signed since he last signed an attacking midfielder? Brownhill was an AM but has been turned into a workhorse. Same happened to Hendrick.

Time for a change, and some fresh ideas for the championship battle next season.

It lays bare how bad things have got. Yet it is season ticket time and we expect people (especially in the economic climate we are in) to keep paying to watch it. This is more than a blip now. It is pretty remarkable that he is still in his job when you look at it in the cold light of day. The happy clappers are extremely fortunate to be still be in a position to clap if truth be told. It shouldn't have got to this.

[Stayingup]

I wonder does Sean Dyche have any say in recruutment these days. For example Cornet and now Weghorst

[ClaretMov]

Last 20 PL home games.
17 scored.
11 from open play.
Only scored more than once 3 times.
Have failed to score in 9.
Have failed to score from open play in 12.

Garlick gets the blame, but how many players has Dyche signed since he last signed an attacking midfielder? Brownhill was an AM but has been turned into a workhorse. Same happened to Hendrick.

Time for a change, and some fresh ideas for the championship battle next season.

Spot on and from the last 57 league games this season so far and the whole of last we have

11 wins
19 draws
27 losses.......its not good enough and at any club he'd be gone especially given we have 1 win in 13 month's at home,

Some are saying he's kept us up for six season's and deserves more time, well this season he won't, last season we finished one place above the drop, so going over the 6 season's he's had two brilliant one's 7th and 10th, two good ones , but last season we stayed up by one place so that's a okay season, over the past 18 months Dyche has proven to be a man that's run out of idea's and can't change the massive drop in form we are in, so if he's not to be sacked what does he do

[tarkys_ears]

More time they say?

He's had 3 or 4 years "more time" in my eyes.

[alf_resco]

Last 20 PL home games.
17 scored.
11 from open play.
Only scored more than once 3 times.
Have failed to score in 9.
Have failed to score from open play

Whoa, whoa, whoa ! Steady on there !! Let's not have the cold hard facts - there isn't another person on the planet who could step into SD's shoes don't you know? !!!
"Be careful what you wish for" is the new mantra. Haha.

Dyche & his team have continually served up mind-numbing football for well over 12 months but IT'S NOT HIS FAULT !!!!

[nyclaret]

He's given us something I never, ever thought I'd see in my lifetime. When we dropped out of Div 1 in 1976 I assumed we'd be back fairly sharpish, but we weren't. In fact far from it and we wandered around in the wilderness for years on end with no real or serious hope of ever emerging from it. Dyche changed all that and actually worked a major miracle, especially by sustaining it over a number of seasons when basically everybody else in our league has had far greater resources (Norwich excepted) If it goes wrong now and we get relegated, it absolutely won't be his fault. It's because in 2022 (not 1960) Burnley as a Premier League team is virtually unsustainable without huge, huge slices of luck and a whole bunch of stars coming into alignment. I'd never sack him because he's given a long suffering and ageing Claret some bloody amazing experiences he never thought he'd have. Thank you Sean! Now where should we site the statue?

Statue? Jesus christ.

[alf_resco]

Statue? Jesus christ.

Isn't that atop the Sugarloaf above Rio?
Perhaps they could replace it with a statue of SD as a thank you for his contribution to "the beautiful game."

[Dark Cloud]

Statue? Jesus christ.

I think that's in Rio.

[Jamesy]

Isn't that atop the Sugarloaf above Rio?
Perhaps they could replace it with a statue of SD as a thank you for his contribution to "the beautiful game."

I think renaming a tatty pub after him is quite sufficient thank you.

[brexit]

I think renaming a tatty pub after him is quite sufficient thank you.

To those of us who had our first knee-trembler under the culvert it will always be the Prini

[Jamesy]

To those of us who had our first knee-trembler under the culvert it will always be the Prini

Was that before or after visiting the Circulation?

[KRBFC]

I felt so despondent sitting in that stadium in Istanbul. A lot of talk about transfer windows recently but none will have me as frustrated as that summer. Finished seventh, one of the best sides in the country albeit punching above our weight, a chance to attract a higher calibre of player, for Dyche to take his career up a level... and we treated the whole experience with such a whimper. I think I've been a bit ****** off with Burnley ever since.

Instead we had to witness Wolves fly through to a semi(maybe quarter) final a few years later. That Europa League draw was rigged as shite and our fans were happy with it, we drew the hardest possible team every round and our fans were almost willing us to get beat.

''We made the qualifying round and failed to qualify'' doesn't really stack up to a semi/quarter final appearance.

[boatshed bill]

Pickles wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:49 pm
I felt so despondent sitting in that stadium in Istanbul. A lot of talk about transfer windows recently but none will have me as frustrated as that summer. Finished seventh, one of the best sides in the country albeit punching above our weight, a chance to attract a higher calibre of player, for Dyche to take his career up a level... and we treated the whole experience with such a whimper. I think I've been a bit ****** off with Burnley ever since.


Aberdeen:
Never underestimate the effct that the injury to Nick Pope had to the following season

[claret59]

nyclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:06 pm
Statue? Jesus christ.

Dark Cloud replied
I think that's in Rio.

Thank you Dark Cloud.

I have noticed that our predicament somehow justifies offending Christian Burnley fans who join this message board. Even CT who has a duty to moderate has joined in.Imagine, if you will for a few seconds, how the 'N' word' greatly offended and hurt people of colour. Thankfully it is no longer used. Well I feel the same when I am reading through posts and come across blasphemy that has only one target. Christians.

[KRBFC]

Dyche knows how the game works, it's a result business and when you're employing dinosaur tactics and awful football when those results dry up the fans cannot stomach the football anymore. I've never been as bored watching us play, it's astonishing how static and awful on the ball we are.

1 home win in 13 months? 1 goal from open play in our last 7 games? The numbers get worse and worse

[brexit]

nyclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:06 pm
Statue? Jesus christ.

Dark Cloud replied
I think that's in Rio.

Thank you Dark Cloud.

I have noticed that our predicament somehow justifies offending Christian Burnley fans who join this message board. Even CT who has a duty to moderate has joined in.Imagine, if you will for a few seconds, how the 'N' word' greatly offended and hurt people of colour. Thankfully it is no longer used. Well I feel the same when I am reading through posts and come across blasphemy that has only one target. Christians.

I feel exactly the same way when somebody takes the easter bunny's name in vain.

[Winstonswhite]

KRBFC I find it quite ironic that you blabber on about Dyches dinosaur tactics yet the signing you put forward then subsequently masturbated over when he signed, was a six foot six target man.

[dandeclaret]

The lack of respect shown for a brilliant manager, by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors, is unsurprising, but still sad.

If you want things to happen, get your group together, and start to organise it. See if you're in the majority, or minority.

Otherwise, if you want to debate it, remember, you don't have to be on the extremes of views. He doesn't coach repetitive rubbish, he isn't a championship manager, he's not many of the things. He continues to be a key part in Burnley overachieving, he may be going through a period of staleness, he may be struggling with a run of player form below that of previous seasons. Context, nuance, the middle ground, mixed with a bit of respect, provides a much healthier discussion.

[BleedingClaret]

well aware, which again made the log balls up to Cornet even more ridiculous

Agreed
As I’ve said previously we do always just revert to type, however we start a game 15 to 20 minutes in

[KRBFC]

KRBFC I find it quite ironic that you blabber on about Dyches dinosaur tactics yet the signing you put forward then subsequently masturbated over when he signed, was a six foot six target man.

I wouldn't class him as a target man

[LlandennyClaret]

The lack of respect shown for a brilliant manager, by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors, is unsurprising, but still sad.

If you want things to happen, get your group together, and start to organise it. See if you're in the majority, or minority.

Otherwise, if you want to debate it, remember, you don't have to be on the extremes of views. He doesn't coach repetitive rubbish, he isn't a championship manager, he's not many of the things. He continues to be a key part in Burnley overachieving, he may be going through a period of staleness, he may be struggling with a run of player form below that of previous seasons. Context, nuance, the middle ground, mixed with a bit of respect, provides a much healthier discussion.

Exactly this. Things clearly aren’t great and the Manager has weaknesses, as we all do, but he deserves some respect. Question his decisions (many I disagree with) but try and take a balanced view.

[taio]

I wouldn't class him as a target man

He has been widely described as a target man in the reports I saw about him.

[randomclaret2]

The lack of respect shown for a brilliant manager, by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors, is unsurprising, but still sad.

If you want things to happen, get your group together, and start to organise it. See if you're in the majority, or minority.

Otherwise, if you want to debate it, remember, you don't have to be on the extremes of views. He doesn't coach repetitive rubbish, he isn't a championship manager, he's not many of the things. He continues to be a key part in Burnley overachieving, he may be going through a period of staleness, he may be struggling with a run of player form below that of previous seasons. Context, nuance, the middle ground, mixed with a bit of respect, provides a much healthier discussion.

A bit if respect perhaps involves not calling those who disagree with you "keyboard warriors " ?

[boatshed bill]

The lack of respect shown for a brilliant manager, by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors, is unsurprising, but still sad.

If you want things to happen, get your group together, and start to organise it. See if you're in the majority, or minority.

Otherwise, if you want to debate it, remember, you don't have to be on the extremes of views. He doesn't coach repetitive rubbish, he isn't a championship manager, he's not many of the things. He continues to be a key part in Burnley overachieving, he may be going through a period of staleness, he may be struggling with a run of player form below that of previous seasons. Context, nuance, the middle ground, mixed with a bit of respect, provides a much healthier discussion.

Great tubthumping post.
But there is no such thing as "overachieving", sorry, but it just does not exist.

[dandeclaret]

Great tubthumping post.
But there is no such thing as "overachieving", sorry, but it just does not exist.

So what do you call results greater than those normally expected from an allotted set of circumstances or resourcess, driven by hard work, endeavour, behaviours and skill?

And conversely, what about the other side of that equation?

[dandeclaret]

A bit if respect perhaps involves not calling those who disagree with you "keyboard warriors " ?

If I had a belief that they would repeat what they are saying away from their computers, given, there are plenty of places for them to demonstrate this but as yet, no reports of it actually happening, I'd agree with you.

[taio]

Great tubthumping post.
But there is no such thing as "overachieving", sorry, but it just does not exist.

Of course it does. In many aspects of life including in football and specifically what Dyche has achieved.

[alf_resco]

The lack of respect shown for a brilliant manager, by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors, is unsurprising, but still sad.

OK then. So let's never question/suggest options/criticise St Sean.

Untouchable. Forever.

I find your post displays a "lack of respect" for supporters who can see with their own eyes and make their own minds up about SD, his team and the direction of travel of BFC.

[boatshed bill]

Of course it does. In many aspects of life including in football and specifically what Dyche has achieved.

No, it cannot be qualified.
Whatever SD may have achieved (which I am not knocking in any way) will stand as his achievements. Simple as that.

[dandeclaret]

OK then. So let's never question/suggest options/criticise St Sean.

Untouchable. Forever.

I find your post displays a "lack of respect" for supporters who can see with their own eyes and make their own minds up about SD, his team and the direction of travel of BFC.

Sigh...... did anybody say that people couldn't question, suggest options or criticise? No, they didn't. It's not just what they see with their eyes, but how they assess the wider context of the situation.

[dandeclaret]

No, it cannot be qualified.
Whatever SD may have achieved (which I am not knocking in any way) will stand as his achievements. Simple as that.

And when you assess that achievement against the expected achievement given resources etc available? In order to bring a context to that achievement, then what?

[boatshed bill]

And when you assess that achievement against the expected achievement given resources etc available? In order to bring a context to that achievement, then what?

I have no specific expectations

[alf_resco]

Sigh...... did anybody say that people couldn't question, suggest options or criticise? No, they didn't. It's not just what they see with their eyes, but how they assess the wider context of the situation.

Sigh ... Your superior disdain is tangible.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

The football was poor. I've seen most games this season and feel we have been slightly unfortunate at times. Yesterday, was abject and comparable with Norwich, City, Leeds away. It is not time to sack Dyche. There are multifarious reasons behind the current situation and he is not the most significant. Not buying players is the main one. Pace having a shocking window is the same as Garlick's last few windows - we needed a CM and got no one. Massive culpability from both sets of owners.

Would be happy for Dyche to have the full season in the Championship if we go down. No other manager would keep this **** squad up - I am still hoping with Dyche.

[dandeclaret]

I have no specific expectations

Then you must never be disappointed. A great way to live life. Well done.

[taio]

No, it cannot be qualified.
Whatever SD may have achieved (which I am not knocking in any way) will stand as his achievements. Simple as that.

They are his achievements but that has no bearing on us finishing 7th for instance being classed as overachieving. It's disingenuous saying otherwise. If overachieving is not a thing you have to wonder why the word even exists.