Kurt Zouma

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Burnley Ace has chosen a weird position to defend today.

[Newcastleclaret93]

She was a teacher in the public sector not an employee in a private sector. Again, if you watched the clip, bit of an overreaction similar to the pentathlon trainer who punched the horse - it wasn’t Mongo!

Really really weird that your defending this **** bag.

This was on tape imagine what he does of it. I hope he loses his job and never plays again.

I’m glad all of the sponsors have started taking action as well.

[Bosscat]

Not excusing his behaviour but listening to the outrage on the radio I was expecting to see the cat punted through the air. If it wasn’t a high profile player do you think RSPCA would be bothered?

Time to give up BA and quit being a knob ... Zouma needs showing how wrong it is to mistreat animals in any way shape or form ...

[Claretincraven]

Good job Zouma wasn’t playing at Sheffield Wednesday last night. Their game was briefly halted due to a cat on the pitch! Fortunately it wasn’t launched over the stand.

[TheFamilyCat]

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[AlargeClaret]

Did you not see the lady who hit her horse late last year, lost her job and career.

The horse was way less likely to be injured than the cat.

But he is a footballer , so should be treated differently eh.

Considering 100's of millions of people watch the prem worlwide every week, and the players are superstar,millionaire,sponsor laden role models very much in the public spotlight,YES they very much are likely to be treated a little different to some unknown bird giving her horse a slap . Distasteful though that was, the horse would have barely registered it.

[Lowbankclaret]

Considering 100's of millions of people watch the prem worlwide every week, and the players are superstar,millionaire,sponsor laden role models very much in the public spotlight,YES they very much are likely to be treated a little different to some unknown bird giving her horse a slap . Distasteful though that was, the horse would have barely registered it.

Yet she was sacked, taken to court etc.

[Lowbankclaret]

Considering 100's of millions of people watch the prem worlwide every week, and the players are superstar,millionaire,sponsor laden role models very much in the public spotlight,YES they very much are likely to be treated a little different to some unknown bird giving her horse a slap . Distasteful though that was, the horse would have barely registered it.

Apologies, I am struggling with your argument here.
Your saying the horse would have barely registered it, On that I agree.

But you say he should be treated different when she lost her job and career and was taken to court.

[jrgbfc]

Can't believe all the fuss over this tbh. There's probably thousands of kids getting abused/mistreated up and down the country and people are getting all worked up over a cat.

[Burnley Ace]

So what’s the difference?? In my eyes NONE. both have responsible jobs and should be looked up to and respected. They should know it and act accordingly.
She was sacked and he should be, if we all are treated the same.

A footballer isn’t a responsible job nor should they be respected more than nurses!

[Lowbankclaret]

Can't believe all the fuss over this tbh. There's probably thousands of kids getting abused/mistreated up and down the country and people are getting all worked up over a cat.

But there is no video evidence on utube.
If there was they would be locked up and rightly so.

[Lowbankclaret]

A footballer isn’t a responsible job nor should they be respected more than nurses!

What are you on, no nurse has been recorded treating animals badly.

[Burnley Ace]

Really really weird that your defending this **** bag.

This was on tape imagine what he does of it. I hope he loses his job and never plays again.

I’m glad all of the sponsors have started taking action as well.

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

[joey13]

Can't believe all the fuss over this tbh. There's probably thousands of kids getting abused/mistreated up and down the country and people are getting all worked up over a cat.

So justifying animal abuse , because children are abused, some strange folk on here

[ClaretDiver]

I've read it all on this message board now......flippin heck!

[ClaretMov]

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[Lowbankclaret]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

It’s on video, stop trying to defend it.

[ClaretDiver]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

You ARE defending him...despicable.....and you have done on this entire thread....be ashamed!

[Bosscat]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

Stop digging the holes deep enough ...

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

So we can’t be outraged about this because there’s worst things going on in the world?

Stop being ridiculous, this is a disgrace and your just making yourself look like a **** bag

[Burnley Ace]

You ARE defending him...despicable.....and you have done on this entire thread....be ashamed!

Do you understand what defend means? Where have I written what he has done is acceptable? Ashamed? Get a grip of yourself ffs pathetic

[Burnley Ace]

So we can’t be outraged about this because there’s worst things going on in the world?

Stop being ridiculous, this is a disgrace and your just making yourself look like a **** bag

Be outraged about something that is outrageous.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Be outraged about something that is outrageous.

This is outrages. Animal abuse is disgusting. defending him you must truly be a nasty piece of work.

[WazzaClaret]

Can't believe all the fuss over this tbh. There's probably thousands of kids getting abused/mistreated up and down the country and people are getting all worked up over a cat.

You can be outraged by both, it's not an exclusive thing 'one or t'other'

[BigChaCha]

Can't believe all the fuss over this tbh. There's probably thousands of kids getting abused/mistreated up and down the country and people are getting all worked up over a cat.

A silly and disturbing comment... As mentioned, there is no exclusivity to cruelty and animal cruelty also often leads to the abuse of people down the line. I am going to extremes here but most serial killers started off abusing animals first for example so although they are two separate things, they are often linked. Anyone who turns a blind eye to this kind of thing is never to be trusted in my opinion!

[BigChaCha]

West Ham and David Moyes have shown no morality or ethics at all in this case and are just another example of why I started watching mainly cricket and rugby union instead. They are not perfect sports, but they are just full of far better people.

[claretonthecoast1882]

It is rare that things on here surprise me but a couple of posters claiming it should be ignored due to worst things happening in the world probably fits into that category.

There really is someone for everyone

[Burnley Ace]

This is outrages. Animal abuse is disgusting. defending him you must truly be a nasty piece of work.

You are illiterate. Show me where I have defended him?

[evensteadiereddie]

To be fair if you look at BA'S posts not once has he defended this berk Zouma or his behaviour. What he has done is comment on the huge stir this issue has caused and surmised that , perhaps, in comparison with other issues of compassion, it has been somewhat hysterical.


I don't recall, for instance, there being three pages of outrage concerning families drowning in the Channel. In fact, some of the most vociferous in condemning the cat-kicker seemed quite content to find those deaths acceptable......

Before you start, I'm not putting the two issues on equal terms, I'm just pointing out the massively hypocritical disparity in reaction towards them.

[Jakubclaret]

Made up nonsense nobody on here found the channel deaths acceptable.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You are illiterate. Show me where I have defended him?

You are defending it by saying we shouldn’t be outraged

[jrgbfc]

An apology and a donation to the RSPCA would suffice. People should save their outrage for the far greater problems in society.

[timel0veandtendayi]

I presume those who are outraged about animal abuse don't eat meat, or you'll be horrified when you see what happens in slaughter 'houses'.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Eat meat = kick your pet

[dermotdermot]

This thread is becoming more ridiculous day bu day. Cats are not little ‘cuties’. They are vicious. They kill and torture birds for no apparent reason. They **** all over everyone’s gardens. They serve no purpose whatsoever.

[HahaYeah]

Lot of silly whataboutery on this thread.

[LeadBelly]

An apology and a donation to the RSPCA would suffice. People should save their outrage for the far greater problems in society.

I agree with this. What he did to the cat was crass and releasing the pictures was very stupid (and probably indicates how detached from reality SOME footballers are). He's had the cats taken away, been fined by the club, (rightly) heavily castigated by the media and will have to put up with ridicule from opposition fans for some time to come. Enough punishment for his stupidity/insensitivity/bad example for his kids.

[claretandy]

West Ham and David Moyes have shown no morality or ethics at all in this case and are just another example of why I started watching mainly cricket and rugby union instead. They are not perfect sports, but they are just full of far better people.

They only intervened when one of their sponsors cancelled.

[Sproggy]

You are defending it by saying we shouldn’t be outraged

I think he lost the room when he suggested the cat didn't lift far enough off the floor for this to be an issue.

[timel0veandtendayi]

Eat meat = kick your pet

Pay for something to be abused and killed = Good. Ignore it.
Kick a cat = Bad. Outrage. Sack everyone. Let everyone know on a messageboard.

Well aware that most people are hypocrites when it's their own morals being questioned

[spt_claret]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

It's not a zero sum game. You can care about both and generally people do, hating animal abuse doesn't mean you turn a blind eye to child abuse.
I'd argue that the people willfully downplaying one sort of abuse would do it for another.
Whataboutism is only valid if the person outraged about a wrongdoing as explicitly defended,or commited, an equivalent wrongdoing. I don't see anyone saying we shouldn't care about child abuse.
You're a very strange individual.

[spt_claret]

This thread is becoming more ridiculous day bu day. Cats are not little ‘cuties’. They are vicious. They kill and torture birds for no apparent reason. They **** all over everyone’s gardens. They serve no purpose whatsoever.

Some people could be (or are) argued to serve no purpose whatsoever. God knows most posts on this messageboard serve no purpose.
Ethics based around raw productivity don't tend to provide a great moral framework.

[claretandy]

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Superb whataboutary...

[Billy Balfour]

I’m not defending him what I find unpalatable is this hysteria and hyperbole when, as others have pointed out, there are 100s of kids abused, victims of violence ignored etc and there is all this outrage over a cat that probably wasn’t even hurt.

To be fair, though. If he'd been videoed kicking and slapping a kid around like that, we'd be burning effigies of him in the streets. Also, he wouldn't have played the other night because he would have been inside a police custody suite.

[Billy Balfour]

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Superb whataboutary...

Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and to remove all doubt.

[Lowbankclaret]

So all those arguing he should be allowed to continue to play, should also be campaigning for the teacher to be reinstated to her job.
Both cases of animal cruelty are very very similar.

[Burnley Ace]

It's not a zero sum game. You can care about both and generally people do, hating animal abuse doesn't mean you turn a blind eye to child abuse.
I'd argue that the people willfully downplaying one sort of abuse would do it for another.
Whataboutism is only valid if the person outraged about a wrongdoing as explicitly defended,or commited, an equivalent wrongdoing. I don't see anyone saying we shouldn't care about child abuse.
You're a very strange individual.

Given the resources available the investigation by the RSPCA, police and possibly CPS is a zero sum game. The outrage and hysteria isn’t zero sum.

It isn’t “whataboutary” to compare the histrionics that this story has generated to the, being generous, acquiescence to other forms of animal abuse, never abusive behaviour in general. It’s another example of the hypocrisy that many people have.

[Burnley Ace]

So all those arguing he should be allowed to continue to play, should also be campaigning for the teacher to be reinstated to her job.
Both cases of animal cruelty are very very similar.

Probably, given one is public sector, the other private and the differing roles they different employment contracts. If she is found not guilty perhaps they will have to compensate her, who knows.

[evensteadiereddie]

Made up nonsense nobody on here found the channel deaths acceptable.

Interesting that you should be the first to come back, Jakub....

There were plenty on here not particularly bothered about or showing much compassion ftowards those deaths, one of those things, their own choice , not our responsibility, send 'em back etc etc.....

And again, Jakub, before your next incoherent stream of consciousness is turned on, I'll make it clear that I don't condone any form of cruelty towards animal or human.

I also don't condone pious, mealy-mouthed hypocrisy.

[spt_claret]

Given the resources available the investigation by the RSPCA, police and possibly CPS is a zero sum game. The outrage and hysteria isn’t zero sum.

It isn’t “whataboutary” to compare the histrionics that this story has generated to the, being generous, acquiescence to other forms of animal abuse, never abusive behaviour in general. It’s another example of the hypocrisy that many people have.

Perhaps you should be calling for more resources for the police and CPS then rather than insisting people should care less about this.
It is absolutely whataboutery. Hypocrisy here requires people to defend child abuse which isn't happening. I care very deeply about child abuse and suspect everyone in this thread does with the possible exception of you, who is using it purely as a rhetorical tactic to try silence indignation about animal abuse.
Is your argument that unless people spend all their time campaigning about child abuse they have no right to complain about any other wrong? I don't see you talking about any particular child abuse cases. There's regrettably more than enough in the news at any time.
Feel free to talk about them, and if people here dismiss it you have a point on hypocrisy. But all you're doing is choosing the strange hill to die on of "Stop caring about this, there's worse things".