Cressida Dick.

[Chobulous]

10 years ago you would never have heard of Jeremy Corbyn. He was a totally insignificant backbencher. A self centred idiot who was only known in Labour Party circles, and even then only for his propensity for voting against his own party whip. It wasn’t until 2015 that some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to nominate the total non-entity in the Labour Party leadership election in order to “widen the debate”. The rest, of course, is history

[TsarBomba]

And that's my whole point. Nobody thought it right and decent to report that headcase - it wasn't the done thing, an aspect of the rotten culture affecting the force. No serving officer in that station with the guts to report it to a senior officer. No senior officer with the guts or professionalism to find out what the hell was going on.
No doubt those in the know will keep their jobs.
Rotten from the top down.
Bring in a chief who will make it simple, mandatory even, for the nonces and racists in thhe force to be reported.

It's alright for Tsarbomba to pretend all is well saying officers are reported and investigated but who, in reality, has any confidence whatsoever in that system. Clearly, the tiny proportion of officers found guilty and punished suggest we either have an angelic police force or one that continues to cover up................

The Met, including officers and civilians, is just under 50 thousand strong.

It stands to reason that in such a large organisation, there’ll be a small number officers or staff members who bring the job in to disrepute with their behaviour, and erode public confidence.

I’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of people over 15 years, and I know of only one officer who has been accused of racism in that time, and he is currently being investigated for gross misconduct and facing the the sack. I’ve not worked with anyone in that time who I would describe as being misogynist or sexist, either.

You have come to the conclusion that the whole service is ‘rotten from the top down’, and you are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

[Billy Balfour]

10 years ago you would never have heard of Jeremy Corbyn. He was a totally insignificant backbencher. A self centred idiot who was only known in Labour Party circles, and even then only for his propensity for voting against his own party whip. It wasn’t until 2015 that some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to nominate the total non-entity in the Labour Party leadership election in order to “widen the debate”. The rest, of course, is history

I had heard of him over 20 years ago. His name was nearly always on posters in and around uni - for whatever cause was the latest flavour of the month for the hard left. But of course you are right, most people wouldn't have heard of him because he was only ever on the fringes. Heh, the 'widen the debate' thing. It won't happen again though, because Starmer changed MP threshold from 10% to 20%, but what a hard lesson to learn.

[Spijed]

The Met, including officers and civilians, is just under 50 thousand strong.

It stands to reason that in such a large organisation, there’ll be a small number officers or staff members who bring the job in to disrepute with their behaviour, and erode public confidence.

I’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of people over 15 years, and I know of only one officer who has been accused of racism in that time, and he is currently being investigated for gross misconduct and facing the the sack. I’ve not worked with anyone in that time who I would describe as being misogynist or sexist, either.

You have come to the conclusion that the whole service is ‘rotten from the top down’, and you are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

So why have people investigating police corruption been murdered and why have the likes of Cressida Dick tried to block reports and information coming out if it hardly exists?

[fatboy47]

The Met, including officers and civilians, is just under 50 thousand strong.

It stands to reason that in such a large organisation, there’ll be a small number officers or staff members who bring the job in to disrepute with their behaviour, and erode public confidence.

I’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of people over 15 years, and I know of only one officer who has been accused of racism in that time, and he is currently being investigated for gross misconduct and facing the the sack. I’ve not worked with anyone in that time who I would describe as being misogynist or sexist, either.

You have come to the conclusion that the whole service is ‘rotten from the top down’, and you are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

I'm not sure you've quite twigged as to how effectively you've actually demonstrated, and supported eddie's point with that response.

[Lancasterclaret]

10 years ago you would never have heard of Jeremy Corbyn. He was a totally insignificant backbencher. A self centred idiot who was only known in Labour Party circles, and even then only for his propensity for voting against his own party whip. It wasn’t until 2015 that some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to nominate the total non-entity in the Labour Party leadership election in order to “widen the debate”. The rest, of course, is history

Well no, every leadership election the left picked one of thier number to run for it, and that time it just happened to be Corbyns turn

Been interesting to see how it would have turned out if they hadn't picked someone so toxic

[bfcjg]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/legal-expert- ... 42212.html
A legal expert questions the validity of the questionnaire.

[Chobulous]

Well no, every leadership election the left picked one of thier number to run for it, and that time it just happened to be Corbyns turn

Been interesting to see how it would have turned out if they hadn't picked someone so toxic

The difference with Corbyn was, it wasn’t the hard left that put him forward. It was the smug Emily Thornberry types that lent their support, never expecting him to actually be elected. Good plan that one.

[joey13]

I dont know do you? But a party. Is it a nuclear event? Is it buggery.

It can be buggery ,depends on the type of party

[TsarBomba]

I'm not sure you've quite twigged as to how effectively you've actually demonstrated, and supported eddie's point with that response.

I really haven’t.

[Brunlea]

From my own experience the met have some of the worst officers in the UK conversely they also have some of the best. It is a huge organisation and any change can be painfully slow. The next choice of commissioner has to be someone who actually knows the many complexities of policing and has a proven track record in investigation. Cressida Dick is someone who was well thought of by rank and file but in my opinion was a little too naive and allowed herself to be too easily convinced by others (e.g. Op.Midland). The press have their own agenda against police following previous enquiries into their activities and ironically the police response against everyday corruption (tipping off press etc) has been successful enough to almost wipe out their best sources . This has led to
constant negative reporting with no balance considering the thousands of interactions the police have with the public every day. This is a chance for the met to reset I just hope they don’t waste it

[evensteadiereddie]

I really haven’t.

You should have by now....

[bobinho]

Holy thread resurrection Batman…

Turns out today the Met police federation have announced they have no confidence in the mayor of London.

When the mayor of London announced he had no faith in Cressida Dick, she behaved honourably and (apparently) against the wishes of the majority of the met police, she resigned.

After today’s announcement, what chances the mayor displays the same level of honour that Ms Dick has?

That’s rhetorical btw, we know he (as a politician) has the morals of a snake so he will be going nowhere.

[daveisaclaret]

Holy thread resurrection Batman…

Turns out today the Met police federation have announced they have no confidence in the mayor of London.

When the mayor of London announced he had no faith in Cressida Dick, she behaved honourably and (apparently) against the wishes of the majority of the met police, she resigned.

After today’s announcement, what chances the mayor displays the same level of honour that Ms Dick has?

That’s rhetorical btw, we know he (as a politician) has the morals of a snake so he will be going nowhere.

Do you genuinely think the police should be allowed to determine that someone elected less than a year ago with 55% of the vote shouldn't be able to be mayor? And that that's the same as the Mayor holding the Commissioner of the police to account?

[bobinho]

I genuinely think he shouldn’t be allowed to affect anything regarding the policing of the capital.

I understand he was elected. Cameron was elected. He went. Doesn't mean he shouldn’t be sent packing when he gets things wrong and it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t resign when an organisation as important as the met have no faith in him. That’s a BIG statement today.

[daveisaclaret]

It's less than a year since the Police Federation of England and Wales declared they had no confidence in Priti Patel. Police officers should have exactly the same say as the rest of us in who runs our political offices.

Besides, the reason they have no faith in Khan isn't because he's got something wrong, it's because they don't believe police should be accountable for their actions.

[bobinho]

Wow.

[Lancasterclaret]

It's less than a year since the Police Federation of England and Wales declared they had no confidence in Priti Patel. Police officers should have exactly the same say as the rest of us in who runs our political offices.

Besides, the reason they have no faith in Khan isn't because he's got something wrong, it's because they don't believe police should be accountable for their actions.

I hate liking this, because it shouldn't be true, but it sadly is

[Holmeclaret]

I lived in London for almost 25 years in a high-crime area and despite being out and about most of the time, saw very little crime. I used the underground regularly and only once saw football fans misbehaving on it. I think London is a great place to live, about as far removed from your notion of ''a cesspit of a city'' as it's possible to be.

Agreed. An incredibly hard working city too. 14% of the population contributing about 30% of UK taxes.

[ClaretFelix]

The Met, including officers and civilians, is just under 50 thousand strong.

It stands to reason that in such a large organisation, there’ll be a small number officers or staff members who bring the job in to disrepute with their behaviour, and erode public confidence.

I’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of people over 15 years, and I know of only one officer who has been accused of racism in that time, and he is currently being investigated for gross misconduct and facing the the sack. I’ve not worked with anyone in that time who I would describe as being misogynist or sexist, either.

You have come to the conclusion that the whole service is ‘rotten from the top down’, and you are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, that I'm sure that people believe every force is akin to those they see on line of duty and other such crap, with "bent coppers" or rapists running loose.

In reality, they fail to see that Police officers are probably the most accountable people in the country, with almost every aspect of their professional and personal lives being scrutinised at every turn.
Decisions they make at jobs or at home can literally mean life or death for individuals, and even when action is taken with all best and honest intentions, if it goes tits up further down the line they are hauled over the coals with the potential to lose their job or even liberty, given the agenda they face from all corners at the moment.

As Tsarbomba says, the sheer numbers of officers and staff across the country mean it is always likely that some people slip through the net of vetting, or operate under the radar

[daveisaclaret]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, that I'm sure that people believe every force is akin to those they see on line of duty and other such crap, with "bent coppers" or rapists running loose.

In reality, they fail to see that Police officers are probably the most accountable people in the country, with almost every aspect of their professional and personal lives being scrutinised at every turn.
Decisions they make at jobs or at home can literally mean life or death for individuals, and even when action is taken with all best and honest intentions, if it goes tits up further down the line they are hauled over the coals with the potential to lose their job or even liberty, given the agenda they face from all corners at the moment.

As Tsarbomba says, the sheer numbers of officers and staff across the country mean it is always likely that some people slip through the net of vetting, or operate under the radar

This is just the stuff of fantasy. Cressida Dick oversaw the execution of an innocent man and then was promoted to the top policing job in the country. They're less accountable than Premier League footballers.

[Chobulous]

Agreed. An incredibly hard working city too. 14% of the population contributing about 30% of UK taxes.

If you subscribe to the view that being paid huge amounts of money equates to hard work, then maybe you are right.

[Holmeclaret]

If you subscribe to the view that being paid huge amounts of money equates to hard work, then maybe you are right.

Try and find anywhere in London where there’s not someone trying to make a buck. As soon as one small shop goes bust, someone else moves in. Everything open at all times. That’s graft.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Yet another huge scandal which took place mainly under her watch.

[ŽižkovClaret]

A reminder of the full saying seems appropriate

One rotten (or bad) apple spoils the barrel

Would it be only one. I mean jeez the same unit alone has produced Couzens and now Carrick

[ŽižkovClaret]

A damning article from the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64283783

In summer 2021, Carrick was accused of rape and arrested by Hertfordshire Constabulary, but the Met allowed him to continue working - on restricted duties.

While the Met was publicly proclaiming its commitment to protecting women after the murder of Sarah Everard, it now admits its professional-standards department made no attempt to check the full record of another officer accused of rape.

Sadiq Khan increasingly looks more and more justified in removing Cressida Dick

[jrgbfc]

Unbelievable this latest story the more you hear about it.

[jrgbfc]

No doubt she's enjoying her retirement drawing a huge pension now, and is completely unaccountable for her many balls ups.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, that I'm sure that people believe every force is akin to those they see on line of duty and other such crap, with "bent coppers" or rapists running loose.

In reality, they fail to see that Police officers are probably the most accountable people in the country, with almost every aspect of their professional and personal lives being scrutinised at every turn.
Decisions they make at jobs or at home can literally mean life or death for individuals, and even when action is taken with all best and honest intentions, if it goes tits up further down the line they are hauled over the coals with the potential to lose their job or even liberty, given the agenda they face from all corners at the moment.

As Tsarbomba says, the sheer numbers of officers and staff across the country mean it is always likely that some people slip through the net of vetting, or operate under the radar

This aged badly

[Spijed]

No doubt she's enjoying her retirement drawing a huge pension now, and is completely unaccountable for her many balls ups.

As has always been said, if you have enough money and power it's fairly easy to evade conviction in life.

[IanMcL]

Dick Dastardly

[Tribesmen]

I had to Google to find out who she was

[claret wizard]

The Met, including officers and civilians, is just under 50 thousand strong.

It stands to reason that in such a large organisation, there’ll be a small number officers or staff members who bring the job in to disrepute with their behaviour, and erode public confidence.

I’ve worked with hundreds and hundreds of people over 15 years, and I know of only one officer who has been accused of racism in that time, and he is currently being investigated for gross misconduct and facing the the sack. I’ve not worked with anyone in that time who I would describe as being misogynist or sexist, either.

You have come to the conclusion that the whole service is ‘rotten from the top down’, and you are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

800 Met officers being investigated for abuse. 1.5% of the force. That’s just domestic and sexual abuse complaints. Imagine all the other stuff they are doing. Shocking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-64293158

[Funkydrummer]

Only to be expected when you're mixing with criminals each and everyday.

[AlargeClaret]

While the old bill are an easy target to dismiss as a mixture of out of shape terrified wokes and sex cases. I bet if you took a deep look at any huge organisation , the NHS for example and you’d quite easily find 1-3% were criminals of some sort and be staggered they were in such work .

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm pretty confident that the out of shape terrified wokey ones are also the ones that aren't sex pests

[HalifaxClaret]

While the old bill are an easy target to dismiss as a mixture of out of shape terrified wokes and sex cases. I bet if you took a deep look at any huge organisation , the NHS for example and you’d quite easily find 1-3% were criminals of some sort and be staggered they were in such work .

Makes you wonder if it is just because they are better at investigating their own than other big organisations. I imagine a 'straight' copper is more likely to report some dodgy WhatsApp messages that a colleague has sent rather than your average labourer on a building site for example.

[Andy_G]

I had to Google to find out who she was

That's pretty shocking, you need to pay more attention.

[daveisaclaret]

Makes you wonder if it is just because they are better at investigating their own than other big organisations. I imagine a 'straight' copper is more likely to report some dodgy WhatsApp messages that a colleague has sent rather than your average labourer on a building site for example.

I agree. As soon as I heard a copper nicknamed ******* Dave had been operating as a rapist within the Met police for 20 years, with them ignoring multiple complaints from his victims, I thought to myself "I really do wonder if they're great at investigating their own"

[Funkydrummer]

While the old bill are an easy target to dismiss as a mixture of out of shape terrified wokes and sex cases. I bet if you took a deep look at any huge organisation , the NHS for example and you’d quite easily find 1-3% were criminals of some sort and be staggered they were in such work .

Just one example.
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... id-1m-nhs/

[Tribesmen]

That's pretty shocking, you need to pay more attention.

Not my country so that's why i don't follow English news .

[1882Clarets1882]

Just one example.
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... id-1m-nhs/

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[Devils_Advocate]

Just here to add some context to Ringo's post cos some people might read it wrong.

The article it is not saying that 1 in 6 doctors have been convicted of a sex offence but that nationally there has been 73 doctors convicted of sex offences and were therefore all subjected to fitness to practice proceedings. Only 13 (1 in 6) of those Doctors were deemed to be a risk to their patients and so were struck off.

Not saying the stat isn't worrying in itself but we have no idea of how serious the offences were or what they were at all so it is hard to judge how concerning this is

[fatboy47]

Classic whataboutery.

[1882Clarets1882]

Classic whataboutery.

No. Simply pointing out that bad apples exist in all areas of public life not exclusively in the police. Cheers.

[quoonbeatz]

Just here to add some context to Ringo's post cos some people might read it wrong.

The article it is not saying that 1 in 6 doctors have been convicted of a sex offence but that nationally there has been 73 doctors convicted of sex offences and were therefore all subjected to fitness to practice proceedings. Only 13 (1 in 6) of those Doctors were deemed to be a risk to their patients and so were struck off.

Not saying the stat isn't worrying in itself but we have no idea of how serious the offences were or what they were at all so it is hard to judge how concerning this is

Sorry DA, slight correction: 60 out of 73 were struck off - 13 still practise. The 13 remaining were from before the GMC had the right to appeal the independent tribunal decision - they always press for erasure in convictions for sex offences.

[quoonbeatz]

Sorry DA, slight correction: 60 out of 73 were struck off - 13 still practise. The 13 remaining were from before the GMC had the right to appeal the independent tribunal decision - they always press for erasure in convictions for sex offences.

Correcting myself here - shouldn't have said they still practise, just that they weren't struck off the register

[Devils_Advocate]

Sorry DA, slight correction: 60 out of 73 were struck off - 13 still practise. The 13 remaining were from before the GMC had the right to appeal the independent tribunal decision - they always press for erasure in convictions for sex offences.

Appreciate the correction got that bit the wrong way around so its even less than I originally stated and like you say the decision around the 13 still practicing can/could still go to appeal.

Its a good example of how newspaper headlines work though

[fatboy47]

No. Simply pointing out that bad apples exist in all areas of public life not exclusively in the police. Cheers.

Oh.. Right. Thanks then.

I expect nodody guessed that was the case.

[quoonbeatz]

Appreciate the correction got that bit the wrong way around so its even less than I originally stated and like you say the decision around the 13 still practicing can/could still go to appeal.

Its a good example of how newspaper headlines work though

Wouldn't normally bother but I remember the FOI request.