Russia Invades

[Vegas Claret]

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[Bordeauxclaret]

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Could they trust him after the past few weeks?

[Vegas Claret]

Could they trust him after the past few weeks?

hell no, but if they are even proposing it it's an acknowledgement that it's not going well for Russia imho

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status ... YDxCw&s=19

Apparently Putin is trying to mobilise medical students, this is clearly not how he expected things to go

[Lancasterclaret]

Stuff like this really gets me

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/14 ... 0968669199

[willsclarets]

Buy The Rumour, Sell The News.
A lot of the negatives of the short term will already be priced in with the dips we saw from the fear of war.

I don't think we've seen the lows yet, but it depends whether this volatility means the fed can rethink rate hikes. It was selling off before this kicked off because liquidity is drying up, but as you say the first big drop was priced in on fear, historically when an invasion is actually underway it rallies. I certainly wouldn't be going all in long at this point though.

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status ... YDxCw&s=19

Apparently Putin is trying to mobilise medical students, this is clearly not how he expected things to go

that's insane

[Bordeauxclaret]

hell no, but if they are even proposing it it's an acknowledgement that it's not going well for Russia imho

Not sure what they could gain from them.
What would Russia potentially want that Ukraine could give them? Would Ukraine agree to give up any land?

[Lancasterclaret]

Not sure what they could gain from them.
What would Russia potentially want that Ukraine could give them? Would Ukraine agree to give up any land?

Just possible, just possible, that one of the generals (it would have to be, as they are professional) has had the balls to explain the reality on the ground to Putin and the unreality of what he expects

Course, it could just be another ploy to try to divide the international response (which is hardening by the hour)

I hope its true, because this is needs to stop as soon as possible

[Lowbankclaret]

When he annexed Crimea, to be fair , no one gave a ****.
Don’t think the people were really bothered.

I think he thought taking Ukraine was going to be similar.

But he underestimated the peoples support for Ukraine .
And maybe the internet and the real streams we would see.

[Lowbankclaret]

Just possible, just possible, that one of the generals (it would have to be, as they are professional) has had the balls to explain the reality on the ground to Putin and the unreality of what he expects

Course, it could just be another ploy to try to divide the international response (which is hardening by the hour)

I hope its true, because this is needs to stop as soon as possible

Think they told Hitler, not sure he listened.

[KateR]

If it goes back to normal, next will be a NATO country, I think the leaders now understand that.
They would remove them from SWIFT but the lights would go out across Europe.

Petrol already went up by 6p to 160 at my local garage.

It will have impacts here, but we need to suck it up.

It might also be the impetus that Western Europe in particular need to make radical swift changes to their energy sources and security (which everyone knew was fragile) to ensure they're in a better position to fight back and simultaneously cut a lot of Russia's funding through buying their oil and gas, which is a high proportion of their income as they don't sell much else.

The problem is Biden is worried about fuel prices increasing and upsetting the public, mid terms don't help in regard to timing, Europe as you rightly point out is worried about the the power situation, if Russia cut's the gas off then both sides suffer, clearly one immediately but the other very soon. Hence my commenting about hurting both sides if I was in the Ukraine, my plan would have been to ensure the supply was cut very early in this debacle, once I realized help beyond rhetoric was not going to be forthcoming.

[KateR]

well I see Dyche was right, twitter is the Oracle !! I don't have it so can't see a lot of what is posted that way.

[Lowbankclaret]

It might also be the impetus that Western Europe in particular need to make radical swift changes to their energy sources and security (which everyone knew was fragile) to ensure they're in a better position to fight back and simultaneously cut a lot of Russia's funding through buying their oil and gas, which is a high proportion of their income as they don't sell much else.

The problem is Biden is worried about fuel prices increasing and upsetting the public, mid terms don't help in regard to timing, Europe as you rightly point out is worried about the the power situation, if Russia cut's the gas off then both sides suffer, clearly one immediately but the other very soon. Hence my commenting about hurting both sides if I was in the Ukraine, my plan would have been to ensure the supply was cut very early in this debacle, once I realized help beyond rhetoric was not going to be forthcoming.

Problem is if Ukraine cut the gas supply, Russia immediately get the high ground saying was their plan all along. Ukraine have to leave it open to avoid that.

[Vegas Claret]

well I see Dyche was right, twitter is the Oracle !! I don't have it so can't see a lot of what is posted that way.

twitter is brilliant if you follow the right people, if you follow the idiots then it's a disaster zone

[KateR]

twitter is brilliant if you follow the right people, if you follow the idiots then it's a disaster zone

thanks, I don't have Twitter or Instagram, I'm on FB but more for family and storing pictures. I'm on the computer & phone all day, numerous conference calls a week and obviously here plus also Reddit, I'm of the opinion I don't need or want those extra social media input, but I hear ya

[KateR]

Problem is if Ukraine cut the gas supply, Russia immediately get the high ground saying was their plan all along. Ukraine have to leave it open to avoid that.

you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't, just me maybe but I'd not want to be on my own in the position Ukraine is in, not a lot of morale's in this, bullies tend to shed morale's when posturing.

[TheFamilyCat]

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Well I'm reassured now.

[Lowbankclaret]

you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't, just me maybe but I'd not want to be on my own in the position Ukraine is in, not a lot of morale's in this, bullies tend to shed morale's when posturing.

If I was Boris they would be getting air support, even if that drew us into war. I would not see innocent people taken like this.

[Bordeauxclaret]

If I was Boris they would be getting air support, even if that drew us into war. I would not see innocent people taken like this.

But the problem is that would lead to more innocent people losing their lives without doubt.

[Lowbankclaret]

But the problem is that would lead to more innocent people losing their lives without doubt.

Agreed, but do you think he will stop or go on the NATO country, then we have no option to fight. Or do you suggest we let him start taking NATO countries without a fight. That’s what happened with Hitler.

[Vegas Claret]

Interesting from China, only country to go against the vote was obviously Russia

[Vegas Claret]

thanks, I don't have Twitter or Instagram, I'm on FB but more for family and storing pictures. I'm on the computer & phone all day, numerous conference calls a week and obviously here plus also Reddit, I'm of the opinion I don't need or want those extra social media input, but I hear ya

I wish I could come off them all, on Facebook with family and close friends, on Instagram because I have to be, on Twitter because it's the only source of factual news (when following the right people). Also, Twitter tends to be at least an hour ahead of the TV channels !!!

[Gaia]

Russians protesting on twitter #stop the war. Surprised Putin hasn't banned twitter yet.

#нетвойнесУкраиной #нетвойне #StopWar
Friends and mutuals from democratic countries.
Russians do not want the war! Only Putin's government wants it.
Now thousands of Russians are protesting, but our protest on the streets is brutally oppressed, and our voices are small
>>>

[Bordeauxclaret]

Agreed, but do you think he will stop or go on the NATO country, then we have no option to fight. Or do you suggest we let him start taking NATO countries without a fight. That’s what happened with Hitler.

I’ve no idea what he’ll do. I don’t think anyone does.

As sad as it is to see what’s happening, escalating it at the moment isn’t going to help.

Of course it’s quite a leap to suggest we let him start “taking” NATO countries.

[Vegas Claret]

this is potentially a couple of hundred Russian troops. I can see the Russian people completely turning on Putin if this carries on (which it will)

[KateR]

we've all seen the protests and how it's being handled, they are of no consequence to Putin at this moment, he really is indestructible he thinks, hugs task to sway him from this path, just one crisis at a time, no problem they (the West) wouldn't dare go beyond posturing and a few weak sanctions.

[Lowbankclaret]

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[CombatClaret]

Ignore. Trying to get this thread shut down with bizarre accusations.

[CombatClaret]

Heartbreaking this in there will be countless acts of heroism and sacrafic made tonight. If Kyiv see's the dawn a free city it will be a monumental achievement.
But then there will be tomorrow night, and the night after that. God help them, or better and more tangible, the free countries of the world.

[Lowbankclaret]

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[Vegas Claret]

God help them, or better and more tangible, the free countries of the world.

When Putin wakes up tomorrow and the day after he is going to see a huge force amassing on the border. Canadian's have reached Scotland, US etc all on their way. On a Friday afternoon you wouldn't typically see much US AF traffic over America.........current situation.......they are moving a lot of people, aircraft and weapons to the East Coast, already onward transports on their way to Europe

[Lowbankclaret]

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[ClaretTony]

Thread locked - subject no longer open for discussion - I'm not putting up with the comments I've just read from lowbankclaret

[ClaretTony]

I’ve reconsidered the decision to lock this thread and decided to re-open it. It will remain so if everyone is respectful and that means keeping the topic to one thread and with no personal posts aimed at individuals.

What happened last night was the starting of a sub-thread that shouldn’t have been which received reports that were dealt with. I was then subjected to personal comments from one poster that I found offensive.

If you see any unacceptable posts, please report them.

Thanks.

[Goody1975]

99% of people on this board are aware of what is acceptable and what is not.

Take a moment to think (and count to 10) before posting something that will either be deleted or get the thread locked, it's not rocket science.

[NewClaret]

Great decision Tony, thank you.

(Not that I disagree with the original action.)

[Bordeauxclaret]

Good decision.

Anyway, various reports that it’s not going anywhere near as smoothly as Putin thought it would.

[bfcjg]

Cheers Tony.
Hopefully the anti war movement in Russia is gaining pace, talk coming out that the Russian army are uncomfortable fighting what are in essence very similar people to themselves.

[Jellybean]

Thank you very much for reopening this thread, I've been desperately refreshing the pages every evening as it's my main source of what is currently happening in this desperately sad situation. Thanks to all for your input, updates and knowledge, love this forum!

[Bin Ont Turf]

Cheers Tony.
Hopefully the anti war movement in Russia is gaining pace, talk coming out that the Russian army are uncomfortable fighting what are in essence very similar people to themselves.

I've thought that from the very beginning.

Pretty sure if it was Poland say that they were going into, it'd be more of a bloodbath and they'd have gained more ground.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I see Germany have finally started offering more support than just helmets ..

Interesting that they retain final say on any weapons they've manufactured and sold.
Other countries haven't been able to send things to Ukraine because Germany have refused to let them, even Finland who purchased some howitzers from someone else who'd decided to get rid of them for new stock, Germany still had final say on them.

They don't appear to be budging on anything financial though.

[Terrier]

Germany has now decided to join the party sending weapons to help.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Germanys policy stems from the Second World War apparently.

[CombatClaret]

Losses Ukraine's military has imposed on Russia's armed forces at the end of the third day, according to Ukraine's Ministry of Defense.
No update on the cost to Ukraine.

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[Vegas Claret]

I’ve reconsidered the decision to lock this thread and decided to re-open it. It will remain so if everyone is respectful and that means keeping the topic to one thread and with no personal posts aimed at individuals.

What happened last night was the starting of a sub-thread that shouldn’t have been which received reports that were dealt with. I was then subjected to personal comments from one poster that I found offensive.

If you see any unacceptable posts, please report them.

Thanks.

Thanks Tony, much appreciated