Russia Invades

[Lowbankclaret]

First one back in the air, second one gone of line.

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[Vegas Claret]

Who is Igor Sushko? He claims to have access to FSB people.

He claims here there is a group of FSB people trying to contact 'the west' in order to persuade them 'to act'.

I, in my ignorance, find two things wrong with this:

1. It sounds like he is on the same side as Putin, or perhaps Zelensky, in wanting the west to intervene.

2. Putin's people are effectively told that there are dissidents in the FSB.

It makes him unbelievable.

scroll back through his tweets over the last month, he's been pretty accurate tbh

[Vegas Claret]

latest from Ursula von der Leyen

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/ ... SxnBKJ1d9Q

[Lowbankclaret]

Looks like they landed at a remote airstrip called lotniskow. Interesting !!!

[elwaclaret]

Garry Kasparov with an interesting idea for Putin’s yacht and crew, last heard of being seized in Italy - minesweeping the Black Sea.

https://twitter.com/billbrowder/status/ ... 61696?s=21

[NewClaret]

https://twitter.com/Rrrrolf/status/1506313062390939654

This sort of equipment wouldn't be in the front line, and shouldn't be anywhere near the front

Does suggest that Ukraine have made gains recently

As the author of the tweet says, NATO intelligence analysts will be very keen to get their hands on that piece of kit

That capture sounds pretty important! Imagine that’ll be on a plane back to the US and there’ll be some folks salivating at the prospect of pulling it to pieces.

[NewClaret]

incredible footage from Sevestopol
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1506331842827460608

guessing launches from a ship or sub ?

What’s all that about? They just seem to fizzle out like crap fireworks??

[Vegas Claret]

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[Cubanforever]

Seeing all the satellite images the west have of the ground situation what does Russia have to see what's going on on the ground....do they have their own up there and if so can they be blocked?

[Lowbankclaret]

Seeing all the satellite images the west have of the ground situation what does Russia have to see what's going on on the ground....do they have their own up there and if so can they be blocked?

The hacker group Anonymous said they had hacked all Russias spy satellites and locked them out, no idea if that’s still the case.

[NewClaret]

The hacker group Anonymous said they had hacked all Russias spy satellites and locked them out, no idea if that’s still the case.

Russia quickly denied that. But they would.

[elwaclaret]

Phillips OBrian with an update - the Ukrainian forces are now cutting the road supply networks behind the Russian advance. Rumours that Russia is now reliant (or at least soon will be) in only one road in towards Kiev, and the very real danger the amassed Russian troops (meant to be taking Kyiv) could soon find themselves marooned without provisions and no escape route out.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... 24580?s=21

[JarrowClaret]

Who is Igor Sushko? He claims to have access to FSB people.

He claims here there is a group of FSB people trying to contact 'the west' in order to persuade them 'to act'.

I, in my ignorance, find two things wrong with this:

1. It sounds like he is on the same side as Putin, or perhaps Zelensky, in wanting the west to intervene.

2. Putin's people are effectively told that there are dissidents in the FSB.

I have no idea who he is I just think he says some interesting stuff, there some people on Twitter also questioning what he is saying. It may all be rubbish if any of it is remotely true wow!

It makes him unbelievable.

[Lowbankclaret]

Russia quickly denied that. But they would.

Absolutely agree they would, but perhaps their poor showing on the ground hints otherwise. We will never know.

[elwaclaret]

While we have been talking about it for at least a couple of weeks - confirmation that Ukraine are able to listen in to every conversation the Russians are having, and the Russian troops on the ground have no idea why they are so easily ‘found’ and targeted by Ukrainian hit squads.

https://twitter.com/jackdetsch/status/1 ... 28589?s=21

[JarrowClaret]

While we have been talking about it for at least a couple of weeks - confirmation that Ukraine are able to listen in to every conversation the Russians are having, and the Russian troops on the ground have no idea why they are so easily ‘found’ and targeted by Ukrainian hit squads.

https://twitter.com/jackdetsch/status/1 ... 28589?s=21

I read somewhere maybe it was in here or maybe Twitter that the Russian secure comms is reliant on 3G/4G and that was one of the early things they knocked out so are unable to use it.

[elwaclaret]

I read somewhere maybe it was in here or maybe Twitter that the Russian secure comms is reliant on 3G/4G and that was one of the early things they knocked out so are unable to use it.

Yes I think it was covered on here.

[elwaclaret]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

[fidelcastro]

This thread is understandably very depressing, so here's what should be some light relief. However, it's also quite worrying that people such as this bloke live amongst us.

https://youtu.be/2rLZADqNnJg

[Cubanforever]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

Putins Lord Haw Haw at it again I'm sure the right people will be taking note.....what a set of selfish buffoons.

[Cubanforever]

This thread is understandably very depressing, so here's what should be some light relief. However, it's also quite worrying that people such as this bloke live amongst us.

https://youtu.be/2rLZADqNnJg

I found that more depressing than this thread

[Lancasterclaret]

Pro-Ukrainian Chechens in action North of Kyi'v

Very blase under fire it has to be said, especially the bloke reloading his RPG in the open

https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1 ... 6625017868

[JarrowClaret]

Pro-Ukrainian Chechens in action North of Kyi'v

Very blase under fire it has to be said, especially the bloke reloading his RPG in the open

https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1 ... 6625017868

No idea who are worse them or the ones on the Russian side I saw a video of them I was scared for them not the people they were firing at.

[Lancasterclaret]

No idea who are worse them or the ones on the Russian side I saw a video of them I was scared for them not the people they were firing at.

Those on the Russian side are like paramilitaries, used to swaggering around looking imposing, and I suspect they will be the first to break when faced with a proper army

[alboclaret]

This thread is understandably very depressing, so here's what should be some light relief. However, it's also quite worrying that people such as this bloke live amongst us.

https://youtu.be/2rLZADqNnJg

The world really does have 1 of everybody in it.

[Vegas Claret]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

that's mental

[Taffy on the wing]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

Does Putin write the script?........it was like Fox news on steroids.

[Taffy on the wing]

I found that more depressing than this thread

In my neighborhood there's a family with a giant "TRUMP WON" sign hanging on the house ......you just can't reason with some people.

[fidelcastro]

In my neighborhood there's a family with a giant "TRUMP WON" sign hanging on the house ......you just can't reason with some people.

[Vegas Claret]

In my neighborhood there's a family with a giant "TRUMP WON" sign hanging on the house ......you just can't reason with some people.

where do you live Taffy ?

[Taffy on the wing]

where do you live Taffy ?

Los Angeles

[Cubanforever]

In my neighborhood there's a family with a giant "TRUMP WON" sign hanging on the house ......you just can't reason with some people.

What a sad bunch, looking at the world now though I'm afraid to say I think he did....please tell me he's not going to get in again....we'd definitely have WWIII then

[Vegas Claret]

obviously at this stage I/we can't say this is 100% legit or not but wow if it is (read the thread)
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status ... lblVPhOs1Q

[Colburn_Claret]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

I think its supposed to scare us, but I find it funny that they think the West will believe this bilge.
Russian credibility has been shot to pieces in 4 weeks, like any cornered animal they are a danger, but threats from them are just hot air.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think its supposed to scare us, but I find it funny that they think the West will believe this bilge.
Russian credibility has been shot to pieces in 4 weeks, like any cornered animal they are a danger, but threats from them are just hot air.

Not for Western consumption

Its for internal consumption

Its all about reinforcing how strong Russia is, and all that stuff you are reading and seeing online isn't true

I'm going to hazard a guess here, but I reckon Russian TV will be wall to wall patriotic stuff, and extremely edited reports from the front line (which of course, will be moving forward all the time)

[Firthy]

I think its supposed to scare us, but I find it funny that they think the West will believe this bilge.
Russian credibility has been shot to pieces in 4 weeks, like any cornered animal they are a danger, but threats from them are just hot air.

Scarey programme made for Russian eyes only to further reinforce Putin's madness. As mad as it is, I do believe that the only thing that Putin will see as a win is if Ukraine agree to the south of Ukraine becoming Russia and providing a corridor to Crimea. Not that this will ever happen while the Ukranians are breathing, I fear this could be a long drawn out war, either until Ukraine is beaten into submission with long distance strikes or Russia runs out of ammo and equipment.

[Lowbankclaret]

Worth a watch, on Russian oil.

https://youtu.be/5Gcl1dO2_0s

[Lowbankclaret]

Russian state TV discuss the aims of the war and the pros and cons on Nuking NATO countries.

https://twitter.com/imatviyishyn/status ... 04932?s=21

Seriously, some of the guys on Russian TV really scared the crap out of me,

[Hipper]

If we can guess that Russian tv will be filled with propaganda from their side saying how well they are doing, what’s not to say that western media isn’t manipulating in the same way? I am very wary now of news channels and my confidence in them is at an all time low. As always, the truth will be no doubt something inbetween.

Do you really think that?

I always think we are very lucky in this country that we can mostly say and think what we like and it can be published too within reason.

You are being taken in by the Russian propaganda in assuming that their media is like ours. It isn't. It is effectively state controlled. We have no experience of this. Our media is owned by a range of organisations, from us (BBC), to Murdoch, Barclay Brothers and a whole range of others. It's not perfect but it's likely the best that is realistically possible.

I remember someone telling me he won't watch the TV BBC News, Russian Today was much better. I once watched it and it was impressively sophisticated - it needs to be to succeed in conning us. But it still was trying to con us.

Generally our media - all media - offers a range of views, left, right, extreme left or right, third world perspective and so on. Even the left papers that were formerly pro Soviet can see what is going on although they have their own take on it.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/internati ... scalation/

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article ... -35-people

I'm not saying we mustn't think when the BBC tells us something but I'm happy to hear what they say and believe they are attempting to tell me how it is.

[Hipper]

Worth a watch, on Russian oil.

https://youtu.be/5Gcl1dO2_0s

Not totally convinced by that.

Some made sense but it suggests we are going to interfere with Chinese ships as they offload oil in the Mediterranean?

[Lancasterclaret]

If we can guess that Russian tv will be filled with propaganda from their side saying how well they are doing, what’s not to say that western media isn’t manipulating in the same way? I am very wary now of news channels and my confidence in them is at an all time low. As always, the truth will be no doubt something inbetween.

People have to get that Russian disinformation is completely everywhere

There isn't any balance with it at all

Western media outlets have their issues but its a hell of a lot more reliable than anything coming out of Russia

I can't stress this enough, if you have the time and the inclination (or interest) its relatively easy to find how this war is going even by ignoring any media outlets.

Plenty of ex military men with the contacts, plus the diplomatic and economic experts all reporting the same thing, and I know the fad is for stuff like "YOU WON'T READ THIS ON THE MSM", but sadly the vast majority of stuff that goes down that road is made up ******** (and often part of pretty sophisticated Russian disinformation campaigns)

[bfcjg]

In my neighborhood there's a family with a giant "TRUMP WON" sign hanging on the house ......you just can't reason with some people.

Do you live near one of their facilities Taffy ?
https://dmh.lacounty.gov/

[bfcjg]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraines-outg ... 02753.html
What did Churchill say, never has so much been owed by so many to so few.
Brave people.

[Billy Balfour]

Just shows how low Russia has sunk under Putin. An abominated pariah state with a troll-farm media issuing nuclear threats.

[gandhisflipflop]

Do you really think that?

I always think we are very lucky in this country that we can mostly say and think what we like and it can be published too within reason.

You are being taken in by the Russian propaganda in assuming that their media is like ours. It isn't. It is effectively state controlled. We have no experience of this. Our media is owned by a range of organisations, from us (BBC), to Murdoch, Barclay Brothers and a whole range of others. It's not perfect but it's likely the best that is realistically possible.

I remember someone telling me he won't watch the TV BBC News, Russian Today was much better. I once watched it and it was impressively sophisticated - it needs to be to succeed in conning us. But it still was trying to con us.

Generally our media - all media - offers a range of views, left, right, extreme left or right, third world perspective and so on. Even the left papers that were formerly pro Soviet can see what is going on although they have their own take on it.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/internati ... scalation/

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article ... -35-people

I'm not saying we mustn't think when the BBC tells us something but I'm happy to hear what they say and believe they are attempting to tell me how it is.

I’m not saying that the Russian media isn’t propaganda, but I think if you genuinely believe that when the BBC for example says something they are genuinely trying to tell you how it is without agenda, then you’re being incredibly naive. A lot of people distrust the MSM and for good reason. I watch it, but with an open mind.

[Lancasterclaret]

I’m not saying that the Russian media isn’t propaganda, but I think if you genuinely believe that when the BBC for example says something they are genuinely trying to tell you how it is without agenda, then you’re being incredibly naive. A lot of people distrust the MSM and for good reason. I watch it, but with an open mind.

Why do you not trust the, er, MSM?

Does that mean you trust people who aren't in the MSM?

Don't you think they have an agenda too?

(I appreciate that this is a bit out of the remit of the thread, so if its an issue, then feel free to delete the threads about it)

Genuinely interested btw, as I take all news with a huge pinch of salt, but when its being reported very similarly across a huge range of outlets, then I think its pretty solid

Its get a bit harder when it opinions and subjective topics, but for cold facts presented in a way that can be digested easily, then its hard to beat

[Colburn_Claret]

Do you really think that?

I always think we are very lucky in this country that we can mostly say and think what we like and it can be published too within reason.

You are being taken in by the Russian propaganda in assuming that their media is like ours. It isn't. It is effectively state controlled. We have no experience of this. Our media is owned by a range of organisations, from us (BBC), to Murdoch, Barclay Brothers and a whole range of others. It's not perfect but it's likely the best that is realistically possible.

I remember someone telling me he won't watch the TV BBC News, Russian Today was much better. I once watched it and it was impressively sophisticated - it needs to be to succeed in conning us. But it still was trying to con us.

Generally our media - all media - offers a range of views, left, right, extreme left or right, third world perspective and so on. Even the left papers that were formerly pro Soviet can see what is going on although they have their own take on it.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/internati ... scalation/

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article ... -35-people

I'm not saying we mustn't think when the BBC tells us something but I'm happy to hear what they say and believe they are attempting to tell me how it is.

I think our media are dreadful, it doesn't mean they are lying about the situation in Ukraine though.
I watched a video of Denzel Washington that explained it perfectly. The media give you opinews, 3 on the right saying black, 3 on the left saying white. That isn't news its opinions. The news should just give us the facts, then we can all make our own opinion. The press generate stories, that isn't news, its creating it. I don't want the thread to get pulled, so I'm not going to express my opinion of the BBC, but I've long stopped buying newspapers, or watching the news on TV, I can make my own opinions from everyday life.

[Lancasterclaret]

You can't buy this type of propaganda

Russia hasn't a leg to stand on, as they are known from this war and Syria for attacking hospitals

Result - a pic like this

Absolutely gold dust for the Ukraine, and a PR disaster for Russia

https://twitter.com/pavlokovtonyuk/stat ... 4608711684

[Hipper]

I don't want the thread to get pulled.....

You are right. I'm sorry I responded to grandhisflipflop. A good subject for discussion but not on here.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don’t think it’s that our MSM are feeding us total lies re: RUS vs UKR , it’s just that we’re also being fed propaganda that Russia is losing / has its armour /Air Force wiped out etc etc . The fact is RUS are levelling strategic UKR towns and cities while surrounding Kiev and laying siege to ports .

Nobody doubts the staunch resistance and weaponry NATO is helping with , but Russia remains incredibly dangerous and led by a megalomaniac madman .

Well, that isn't an accurate representation of what is happening though is it?

Firstly, we are not being fed propaganda (well, I'm not spreading that sort of stuff on here) that Russia has had its army/air force wiped out

What is being shared is that about 75% of the available Russian army is in Ukraine, and of that, its is estimated that its casualty/equipment losses are varying between 10%-15% in about a month of fighting - that goes without saying that is completely unsustainable

Ditto the Air force, they appear to be completely incapable of flying en masse (ie in more than groups of four, but in reality a group of two), and its almost certainly due to doctrine/training constraints - and they are losing planes at an unsustainable rate

And the fact that Russia are levelling strategic UKR towns and cities while surrounding Kyi'v (please use the Ukrainian spelling, not the Russian) and laying siege to ports?

Again, they are shelling cities that they have been completely unable to take, and they are not cut off - Kyi'v isn't surrounded, Kharki'v isn't surrounded, Sumy might be, Mariupol is, Myloki'iv certainly isn't. And as they can't take these cities, and they can't surround them, all they can do is shell them (which actually increases the defensive terrain and capabilities of the defenders)

They will probably take Mariupol, but at the cost of completely destroying a big city, a warm water port (v important on the Sea of Azov) and gutting the forces that have struggled for two weeks to take it

Kharki'v/Sumy/Chernigi'v/Myloki'v/Kyi'v etc etc - How on earth do they take those cities when they have struggled to take one?

Russia isn't getting wiped out, but its stuck completely, its lost the initiative in the north and the danger for them is that the Ukrainians have the supply and troop numbers to successfully counter attack, and the Russian logistics system is completely screwed

I don't think Russia can win (though its possible if they achieve some sort of strategic surprise (which I think would be impossible due to NATO SIGNIT assistance) but I think its equally hard for Ukraine to win (ie push Russia out of Ukraine) - But where we are at the moment is a Ukrainian win, because they have fought the Russians to a standstill

This looks like it could go on for some time now sadly