It's freezing,Russia stops gas to Ukraine, Europe could run low.Are you still against Fracking?

[Rowls]

Well a lot of landowners have become rich by allowing wind farms on there 'Estates'. A relative of our former PM comes to mind.

Yes, exactly. Another reason perhaps to explore alternative energy sources and balance our energy provision.

[Rowls]

That’s strange then why so many people are opposed to the fracking where the fracking was taking place if it’s a win win.

Nothing strange. I think the benefits of fracking haven't been effectively sold to people and the risks have been exaggerated.

Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine our reliance on gas imports and the foolishness of relying on foreign countries for our energy needs has been put under the spotlight. I think that alone will persuade people to think again about fracking.

NB: We aren't reliant on Russian gas but many of our European neighbours are. We do, however, still import a large amount of our energy. The difficulties this places us in is what I'm talking about.

[Lancasterclaret]

I've not seen these "daily reminders" before.

But I do now live in England.

You're right about mineral rights and I'm right about houses not needing to be moved to get the fracking done.

Welcome home Rowls!

Fracking works in somewhere huge and massively under populated, like where it is drilled in the US

Not the case over here

More oil/gas wells in the North Sea/Irish Sea - if we must but not putting up with fracking

[Rowls]

The technology will hopefully improve. The earth tremors were obviously disturbing but we need to keep options on the table and openly discuss the pros and cons of our energy requirements.

The Russian invasion has added a hefty dose of realism in a debate previously dominated by lofty idealism that has left us wide open to overseas problems and gifted us these large price rises.

I don't many people would argue our energy policy since 2008 has been successful.

[Middle-agedClaret]

No.

[Lancasterclaret]

The technology will hopefully improve. The earth tremors were obviously disturbing but we need to keep options on the table and openly discuss the pros and cons of our energy requirements.

The Russian invasion has added a hefty dose of realism in a debate previously dominated by lofty idealism that has left us wide open to overseas problems and gifted us these large price rises.

I don't many people would argue our energy policy since 2008 has been successful.

There hasn't been a coherent long term energy policy full stop

There has to be one

It goes without saying that this lot have promised one, but have put it back the date for the details of it twice

You assume that they are aiming for fracking but are very unwilling to pay the political cost

Personally, I'd think they'd be better off paying the actual cost of renewable energy and accepting the electoral boost that will give them, but then again, I'm not in complete hock with the idea of fossil fuels

[Rowls]

Personally, I'd think they'd be better off paying the actual cost of renewable energy and accepting the electoral boost that will give them, but then again, I'm not in complete hock with the idea of fossil fuels

I think the idea of "being in hock" with any single source of energy is mutually exclusive to a balanced enerygy policy. Sadly I think energy policy has been "in hock with" or dominated by environmentalism since 2008.

A new generation of nuclear and hopefully more breakthroughs in nuclear fusion will help. The creeping advances in renewables are also most welcome.

They all need to be brought together in balance and we need to accept the need for fossil fuels to be in there too.

[bfcjg]

I'd chop down a tree before I'd give in to a tosser like Putin.

That said, if he did turn off the tap, someone would be more than happy to supply an alternative. Then Europe could put two fingers up to Russia, and they would suffer the loss of revenue through belligerence.
In other words, it ain't going to happen.

Russia would be a lot worse without Putin my man.

Hmmmmmm.

[Stayingup]

There has been eight huge wind turbines on the Moor outside my house for years - no issue

We used to make them, and now we don't - that is something we can change

Do you sweep up the dead birds?

We don't make them and probably never will. Just like we will never make net zero by 2050. The Danes have beaten us to it. We have RR has a design for these flexible nuclear reactors but will they ever make them. Probably not. There will be posh southern protesters to stop it. Just like the ones who turned up at Woodplumpton. The rich bods who want the rest of us to wear hairshirts.

[jos]

Suffered from it? How? What mishaps? Contaminated land where? Its provided the USA with very affordable gas. What about these wind turbines killing birds?

You could just Google it or use You Tube, and I’m guessing you don’t live in a potential Fracking area.

[Cirrus_Minor]

No from me too. Let’s not spend billions on a race to the bottom of the ecology barrel using an excuse of temporary energy problems due to supplies from war mongering Russia. Same reason not to go nuclear as well. If we have billions to spend let’s use it to enhance green options and insulate peoples homes.

[dougcollins]

All back to good old MT quitting our production and following the market.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Anyone worked out the cost of tidal energy? Anyone worked out the cost of wind power - without the subsidies that have put up the cost of electricity, especially for the "fuel poor?"

Latest wind power news is that many of the offshore wind turbine blades are wearing out a lot faster than predicted, so looks like these big (intermittent) sources of energy will be costing a lot more as the blades get refurbished or replaced.

We should think of fracking as similar to coal mining, but with two big advantages: 1) natural gas is a lot, lot cleaner to burn than coal and 2) we don't need to send men and women down mines to dig out the coal, with all the associated health and safety issues.

As it is, every time we fill up our cars with petrol or diesel we are benefiting from the US hydraulic fracturing industry maintaining high levels of crude oil production, in addition to very high levels of natural gas production. The extra oil supply is what has brought oil prices down - and so also keeps the cost of petrol and diesel "reasonable."

Men and women?

[Lowbankclaret]

The technology will hopefully improve. The earth tremors were obviously disturbing but we need to keep options on the table and openly discuss the pros and cons of our energy requirements.

The Russian invasion has added a hefty dose of realism in a debate previously dominated by lofty idealism that has left us wide open to overseas problems and gifted us these large price rises.

I don't many people would argue our energy policy since 2008 has been successful.

It causes ground water pollution, god forbid you have a bore hole in an area of fracking.

We do not need fracking at all.

We need more wind farms and solar and hydro.

[Jakubclaret]

It causes ground water pollution, god forbid you have a bore hole in an area of fracking.

We do not need fracking at all.

We need more wind farms and solar and hydro.

We’ll team up & get cuadrilla to pay a visit to his neighbourhood I can guarantee the house would be on rightmove in blink of a eye.

[Lowbankclaret]

We’ll team up & get cuadrilla to pay a visit to his neighbourhood I can guarantee the house would be on rightmove in blink of a eye.

What I don’t get is why would you spend money on trying to remove gas from the earth, to then burn to get electric. When you can just invest that money to get electric for free.
For a clever human, it seems illogical.

[Lowbankclaret]

For anyone interested check out surya heating. Electric heaters for your home. My mate has bought these and had his gas heating removed.

[CoolClaret]

I'd chop down a tree before I'd give in to a tosser like Putin.

That said, if he did turn off the tap, someone would be more than happy to supply an alternative. Then Europe could put two fingers up to Russia, and they would suffer the loss of revenue through belligerence.
In other words, it ain't going to happen.


Hmmmmmm.

Yikes my bad.

I didn’t think he would ever go this far! Thought he was a lot more sensible and kinda ‘holding the country together’ sort of thing like if not him would it be even worse?

Who knows, well we soon might…

[TheFamilyCat]

The start of a government U-turn on fracking?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60999026