Well done Alan Pace

[Jakubclaret]

What? How does that even make sense? If there's no money for Dyche then how will there be money for someone else whe we've to pay them as well as paying off Dyche?

Because I think debt will be piled upon debt to pay dyche & his mob off & our next manager will be on a fraction dyche would have been on had dyche stayed, it wasn't sustainable dyche staying on whilst the clubs in the championship, the club will now have to operate on a lean basis to pay the debt off & run with a reduced revenue in the championship, high earners will be offloaded as well in line with running lean.

[bumba]

It's not necessarily his departure just the manner and timing of his departure. The fact that the people in charge for the next 3 games are IMO not as able as our ex manager and his team to gain points from the next 3 games 2 of which are very winnable
I know Norwich was as abysmal as everton was great wh

How many times do we see a manager leave and results improve, we only need to see a little bounce and it could be enough to survive regardless of who's in charge, that bounce was never coming with Dyche

[BabylonClaret]

Pick the right man who will give them a lift and get new manager bounce results and 3 wins would keep us up, that's how close it could be. The right man just might get a final push from these guys.
If things stayed as they are no players were going to resign for Dyche and players turn us down because of the style of football and tactics so yeah I believe we may of gone in to another relegation battle

Who is this miracle leader who will win the next 3 after West Ham? It's a huge gamble for anyone coming in. Therefore it won't be someone with anything to lose

[KRBFC]

Forget the idea that we are poaching a decent upcoming manager from another club. Not happening

Why? We're a PL club, managers will see it as a chance to survive and a great chance to rebuild the squad.

[Lancasterclaret]

There will be a connection between the two, I’d put money on it and anti vaccine

No, its just a comparison between wanting something but not recognising the dangers of what happens next

Thats it

[Lancasterclaret]

Weghorst is a class act but Dyche didn't want to play to his strengths, Roberts is a wing back, Cornet is best in a front 3, he's trying to change all these players to fit in to his rigid 442, all the I can only work with what I've got is rubbish. He will always play the same regardless he's shown over the years he can't vary to much from it.
We've a squad much more capable of playing more attractive football and getting better results so if we're not doing who's fault is it?
He's a legend in my eyes but all the no man can do better attitude's are laughable

That first paragraph is spot on btw

I don't agree that we can play much better, but the players that have been bought in don't fit the system we play, which I think is crucial to where we are where we are

[Swizzlestick]

Weghorst - yeah he has a nice touch but right now I don't see a player at Premier League level. This myth that ee don't play to his feet is nonsense. Sure he's had high balls to deal with but there's plenty to his chest or into his feet. 9 times out of 10 he loses it. Cornet is similar. He had a lot of space early doors with Wood occupying defenders but once players get round him he's much less effective than McNeil in keeping the ball.

Roberts - looked decent early doors but for the last 4 before he was hooked he looked poor. Probably confidence but for a wing back he got **** all past the first man. Lowton's delivery is better and that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

I think we have some players who might coalesce but thus revisionist ******** that Dyche has got players he didn't want and therefore deliberately plays them in a way that makes them worse is bonkers.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this new and improved Burnley where Weghorst is drilling them in for fun though.

You were contributing nonsense about Cornet the other day and it appears that not only are you continuing to do that, you’ve decided to do it with other players too. Cornet was great for us, was a bit jaded after AFCON, then Dyche tried to lever him up top to fit him into his 4-4-2 system which clearly wasn’t his position. He puts him back out on the wing against Everton and he was great. Weghorst was brilliant against Spurs and Brighton, with a more considered midfield thanks to Cork’s inclusion - he then inexplicably drops Cork, brings Westwoods’s aimless blind punts back into play and lo and behold Weghorst is struggling again. It says a lot about you that you are only looking at the players, ignoring their positive contributions, and not even considering the framework, to use a Dyche-ism. Roberts not an upgrade on Lowton but it’s hardly a disaster of a signing and wasn’t this a Dyche choice anyway? For what it’s worth, I think a lot of Bumba’s contributions are too one-eyed, but you’re not much better.

[KRBFC]

You were contributing nonsense about Cornet the other day and it appears that not only are you continuing to do that, you’ve decided to do it with other players too. Cornet was great for us, was a bit jaded after AFCON, then Dyche tried to lever him up top to fit him into his 4-4-2 system which clearly wasn’t his position. He puts him back out on the wing against Everton and he was great. Weghorst was brilliant against Spurs and Brighton, with a more considered midfield thanks to Cork’s inclusion - he then inexplicably drops Cork, brings Westwoods’s aimless blind punts back into play and lo and behold Weghorst is struggling again. It says a lot about you that you are only looking at the players, ignoring their positive contributions, and not even considering the framework, to use a Dyche-ism. Roberts not an upgrade on Lowton but it’s hardly a disaster of a signing and wasn’t this a Dyche choice anyway? For what it’s worth, I think a lot of Bumba’s contributions are too one-eyed, but you’re not much better.

Weghorst was superb at Palace away too, didn't give the ball away at all. 2nd half against United he was great, brilliant assist. The one thing I wouldn't accuse Weghorst of is giving the ball away, the ball tends to stick to him like a magnet on the ground. In the air it's a different story of course but that just isn't his game.

Babylon has no idea what he's talking about, most managers would run through broken glass to take this job now. Achievable PL jobs don't come up often for managers in the Championship.

[tiger76]

Weghorst was superb at Palace away too, didn't give the ball away at all. 2nd half against United he was great, brilliant assist. The one thing I wouldn't accuse Weghorst of is giving the ball away, the ball tends to stick to him like a magnet on the ground. In the air it's a different story of course but that just isn't his game.

Babylon has no idea what he's talking about, most managers would run through broken glass to take this job now. Achievable PL jobs don't come up often for managers in the Championship.

Agree on Weghorst, when we actually play the ball to feet he's looked decent, still unsure whether he'll be prolific mind you, but his hold up play when the midfield get close to him has been decent enough.

I'm not sure I agree that Championship managers in work will jump at the chance of managing Burnley however, take someone such as Wilder, why would he risk leaving Boro when they could yet take our place in the PL.

End of the season might be a different story, and that's why I'm baffled at the timing of ditching SD, if we were fearing for our PL status why not make the change earlier, and allow any incoming managers a fair stab at keeping us up, making the change now makes no sense to me as whoever succeeds Sean will have little time to have the required impact we desperately need to stave off relegation.

[BabylonClaret]

Why? We're a PL club, managers will see it as a chance to survive and a great chance to rebuild the squad.

We all thought this in 2010. Prepare to be dosappointed

[BabylonClaret]

You were contributing nonsense about Cornet the other day and it appears that not only are you continuing to do that, you’ve decided to do it with other players too. Cornet was great for us, was a bit jaded after AFCON, then Dyche tried to lever him up top to fit him into his 4-4-2 system which clearly wasn’t his position. He puts him back out on the wing against Everton and he was great. Weghorst was brilliant against Spurs and Brighton, with a more considered midfield thanks to Cork’s inclusion - he then inexplicably drops Cork, brings Westwoods’s aimless blind punts back into play and lo and behold Weghorst is struggling again. It says a lot about you that you are only looking at the players, ignoring their positive contributions, and not even considering the framework, to use a Dyche-ism. Roberts not an upgrade on Lowton but it’s hardly a disaster of a signing and wasn’t this a Dyche choice anyway? For what it’s worth, I think a lot of Bumba’s contributions are too one-eyed, but you’re not much better.

I will agree about the perplexing decision not to play Cork but its more a case of we have brought players in that don't fit the rest of the side as Lancaster says.

I think both Cornet and Weghorst look to have decent touch and Cornet clearly has an eye for goal but he failed to make much of an impression against the worst side in the league on Sunday despite playing in the wide position. I fact he scored more before Christmas effectively playing up top which you've said was what caused him to look poor.

There's an issue of "fit" with our system but I don't believe Dyche deliberately stymied their potential contribution simply because he is stubborn.

[turbo5]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no right or wrong opinions on this with the limited information available. I presume nobody knows the true reasons what went on leading to his sacking. I don't see the need to be disrespectful to other peoples views.
Now that the shock and horror of his sacking are starting to subside my view on the current situation .

Firstly I support Burnley FC , I supported them before Dyche and will support them after.
Dyche did a great job for Burnley but the last two years have been poor.
You are only as good as your last job, cold hard facts the team was failing miserably in nearly all the KPI's Brian Laws even had 13 wins from his 44 games in charge, you can't keep living on past glories and achievements. I think he was given more than sufficient time considering other football clubs.

It appears we have only concentrated on the first team squad, very little if any planning for the future. (no youth coming through) where is the team for tomorrow ? aged squad and Out of contract players where any decent players will most probably be looking to get out and retain staying in the PL.
Poor recruitment, why come to Burnley ? its not a glamorous place or football team. probability if not a Dyche signing you will live on the bench and be played out of position when you do come on.

We appear to kill flair and excitement out of players by staying within the framework newbies start off well and then fade.
For me the football was predicable and stagnant , Its rare I thought we were brilliant (it had become boring to watch)
People see Dyche as some sort of God , He takes the praise for the success but he should also take the flack for failure. A football club is a team performance. from the chairman down to the players and support staff.
Had Dyche become too powerful and complacent, above criticism, stubborn, too loyal to certain players, fixated on sticking to a style of football that has worked for him previously, but has been failing miserably for the past two years. I don't think he would have changed and would have persevered with this style of football

The chairman /board's job is to look strategically and this involves making hard decisions for the future of the club. They may be unpopular but with only 4 wins in over 40 games and relegation almost certain something had to be done.
When things start to go wrong, its human nature to blame everything around you, lack of investment, boardroom interference, hard transfer market, long grass, referee's etc I see it in the work place and failing managers will always blame external factors, never themselves.

Questions to be asked was money available for transfers ? is the problem we can't get players in because of Dyche ? as a young talented player looking to develop is Burnley a great place to come ? appears not if you arent signed by Dyche
Pace is a business man, he is representing investors who thought they could make a profit from Burnley.

Garlick , even though he is the anti-christ in the eyes of some on here is a local lad who invested his own money to the club he supports. it could just as easily underperformed where he could have lost his investment. The board picks managers, they are part of the running of the football club.
Was Dyche capable of a complete transformation of the team with maybe 8 new players required in the first team squad for next season.


Lots of questions and reasons to choose from, you can't take away he has been a club legend and took us places we could only dream about. For me Dyche had out stayed his effectiveness, getting rid with 8 games to go can go two ways , I believed we would go down under Dyche so Pace is thinking can a new manager kick start a reaction. By getting someone in now they have a full pre-season to assess and retain who they want then build a new team.
Its a sad time with a lot of change but something had to happen or we would be saying the same thing year after year

[ClaretTony]

I don't agree that we can play much better, but the players that have been bought in don't fit the system we play, which I think is crucial to where we are where we are

Which is what happens at any club when the manager is given players rather than signed them himself.

[KRBFC]

We all thought this in 2010. Prepare to be dosappointed

We took Eddie Howe off Bournemouth 2 years later when we were dicking around in the Championship, we could've easily have lured a top Championship manager when Coyle left and we opted for Laws instead. A PL job is an attractive proposition.

[daveisaclaret]

We took Eddie Howe off Bournemouth 2 years later when we were dicking around in the Championship, we could've easily have lured a top Championship manager when Coyle left and we opted for Laws instead. A PL job is an attractive proposition.

Howe was a League One manager

[Blakesboots]

I am happy that the club has chosen a different direction in playing style and recruitment philosophy.

I would’ve liked to see Dyche go without the toy throwing, but realistically, relationships of that length do end with toxicity and blame as each look to secure the ‘next step’.

Dyche will get a top job with a budget over the summer.

[Murger]

Which is what happens at any club when the manager is given players rather than signed them himself.

That's nonsense. Apart Weghorst and Cornet, which players have been forced on the manager? Dyche has been here for 10 years, at what point does he actually get any of the blame for the turgid crap that gets served up?

[Les Lawrence]

If Dyche wasn't signing the players he wanted why didn't he walk away from the job then.

[BabylonClaret]

We took Eddie Howe off Bournemouth 2 years later when we were dicking around in the Championship, we could've easily have lured a top Championship manager when Coyle left and we opted for Laws instead. A PL job is an attractive proposition.

So why did we do that? There were no takers beyond Laws and (I've forgotten the other candidate - was he at Bristol). I was really disappointed we had those as options - neither gave me any feeling of likely success.

[Blakesboots]

Which is what happens at any club when the manager is given players rather than signed them himself.

Agreed, but Dyche’s pragmatic and loyal approach was beginning to look and feel a little Stoke like.

No question he’d been hamstrung by the previous board and that put him in conflict with the current boards planning and commercial development.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We all thought this in 2010. Prepare to be dosappointed

The club is an entirely different animal compared to 2010.
Top level training facilities and youth academy.
Sustained period of PL football
Millions spent on players
Competitive wage and bonus structure
Stadium that meets all PL requirements and won't need any serious work for a number of years.

Just because you don't think the club is an attractive job, doesn't make it true

The Burnley job now is definitely more attractive than it was back then.

[daveisaclaret]

Didn't Dyche say that both Cornet and Weghorst were players he'd had an eye on for a long time?

[Blakesboots]

If Dyche wasn't signing the players he wanted why didn't he walk away from the job then.

Because the brand of ‘Dyche’ wouldn’t allow him to be seen that way. Most top clubs operate with a DOF or the like. Dyche wants one of those jobs and so can’t be seen to throw his toys out when transfers are made without his express consent.

Ironic really considering the last few days.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So why did we do that? There were no takers beyond Laws and (I've forgotten the other candidate - was he at Bristol). I was really disappointed we had those as options - neither gave me any feeling of likely success.

We had Andre Villas-Boas wanting the job in 2010, there were others beyond him but the board made the choice in Law's.
So there were up and coming managers wanting the job then and there will be more this time.

[Murger]

This is an attractive job. Being given the chance to start from scratch would be a massive turn in for any new manager.

[KRBFC]

Agree on Weghorst, when we actually play the ball to feet he's looked decent, still unsure whether he'll be prolific mind you, but his hold up play when the midfield get close to him has been decent enough.

I'm not sure I agree that Championship managers in work will jump at the chance of managing Burnley however, take someone such as Wilder, why would he risk leaving Boro when they could yet take our place in the PL.

End of the season might be a different story, and that's why I'm baffled at the timing of ditching SD, if we were fearing for our PL status why not make the change earlier, and allow any incoming managers a fair stab at keeping us up, making the change now makes no sense to me as whoever succeeds Sean will have little time to have the required impact we desperately need to stave off relegation.

make no mistake, the likes off Critchley at Blackpool couldn't sign on the dotted line quick enough, he would walk here just to sign. Same goes for Russell Martin at Swansea and no doubt many many others. I assume we'll be keeping it English based which is why I've largely not mentioned potential foreign candidates.

Nuno is an interesting one, very interesting. Would he fancy it?
Jokanovic has always been very good, apart from at Sheffield United.
Bilic has been reported as wanting the job, got WBA promoted and did very well at West Ham.

Imo the stand out candidate for me is Wayne Rooney, Coutinho couldn't wait to sign for Villa because of Gerrard. I like Rooney more than Lampard personally and think Rooney is actually more likely to succeed as a manager than Lampard.

[DCWat]

We had Andre Villas-Boas wanting the job in 2010, there were others beyond him but the board made the choice in Law's.
So there were up and coming managers wanting the job then and there will be more this time.

I’m yet to see a name that appeals or is better than what we had. It’s a terrible time to be starting such a search, be it a short term or longer term appointment.

The timing of this gives me absolutely zero faith in Pace and his team.

[KRBFC]

So why did we do that? There were no takers beyond Laws and (I've forgotten the other candidate - was he at Bristol). I was really disappointed we had those as options - neither gave me any feeling of likely success.

Who knows why we took Laws, don't get it mixed up though, a PL job is highly highly attractive to 95% of managers.

[KRBFC]

I’m yet to see a name that appeals or is better than what we had.

Can it really get worse though? we've been absolutely pants for 2 years and we were heading in one direction. As good as Dyche's record was years ago, recently we've been abit of a mess. Once the dressing room is lost, the manager is toast.

[ClaretTony]

That's nonsense. Apart Weghorst and Cornet, which players have been forced on the manager? Dyche has been here for 10 years, at what point does he actually get any of the blame for the turgid crap that gets served up?

is it nonsense? The one thing Dyche has always done is sign players who fit into the way he wants to play. I'm not questioning whether they are good players or not but definitely Weghorst was not the type of player Dyche would have wanted. Stan's blind man on the galloping horse could see that.

[Jakubclaret]

Agreed, but Dyche’s pragmatic and loyal approach was beginning to look and feel a little Stoke like.

No question he’d been hamstrung by the previous board and that put him in conflict with the current boards planning and commercial development.

It's a scary thought within itself when a manager can't be trusted to make the signings & the chairman does it, what usually happens is the manager identifies the signings & seeks approval from the chairman to go ahead.

[Murger]

is it nonsense? The one thing Dyche has always done is sign players who fit into the way he wants to play. I'm not questioning whether they are good players or not but definitely Weghorst was not the type of player Dyche would have wanted. Stan's blind man on the galloping horse could see that.

This team is his team, apart from those 2. His players have massively underperformed for 2 years. The buck stops with the manager.

[DCWat]

Can it really get worse though? we've been absolutely pants for 2 years and we were heading in one direction. As good as Dyche's record was years ago, recently we've been abit of a mess. Once the dressing room is lost, the manager is toast.

Oh it can definitely get worse.

[ClaretTony]

Oh it can definitely get worse.

Oh, very definitely it can.

[onewillieirvine]

Just out of interest CT who at the club has identified Weghorst and Cornet ? Seems bizarre that Dyche had no input into these arrivals.

[taio]

It's scary that a few fans don't believe it can get worse, especially under the current owners.

[KRBFC]

Oh it can definitely get worse.

We were sleep walking into a mid table Championship side with Dyche, absolutely zero idea how to win a game of football and create chances for almost 2 years.

[Blakesboots]

This is an attractive job. Being given the chance to start from scratch would be a massive turn in for any new manager.

I’m guessing autocorrect did you dirty with in < on?

But then if it did, why are managers getting turned on with the prospective situation?

This has just left me with questions!

[Murger]

I’m guessing autocorrect did you dirty with in < on?

But then if it did, why are managers getting turned on with the prospective situation?

This has just left me with questions!

Yes I meant turn on

[KRBFC]

It's scary that a few fans don't believe it can get worse, especially under the current owners.

It can get worse but imo we were heading for that with Dyche anyway

[Blakesboots]

It's a scary thought within itself when a manager can't be trusted to make the signings & the chairman does it, what usually happens is the manager identifies the signings & seeks approval from the chairman to go ahead.

I think at the bigger clubs, the recruitment team are constantly collecting data and reports about players so there are multiple options for every position within every transfer window.

For example, United have a gentleman’s agreement for Collins. They’re monitoring his development and have plans in place for him should he develop as expected and hit those performance markers identified by their scouting and coaching setups.

Clubs work years into the future. These plans are in place above managers.

[Les Lawrence]

The love for Dyche and hatred for the board from a certain poster on here is pathetic.

[DCWat]

We were sleep walking into a mid table Championship side with Dyche, absolutely zero idea how to win a game of football and create chances for almost 2 years.

No denying that relegation was on the cards. We’ve been reasonably aligned in our thinking, in terms of recruitment (or more accurately lack of) over the last few years.

Does it fill you with confidence that we’ve made this decision two days before our next game, with just eight games to go? The time to do it, if it was deemed to be a requirement, was either December or this coming summer.

All we’ve done now is create even more uncertainty and further limit any monies that we had available. Our club is a shadow of itself prior to Pace’s arrival.

I’ve zero faith in Pace - he’s come into our club and everything has gone to ****. He couldn’t read a room if he had a thousand entrances.

[Blakesboots]

Wouldn’t a room with a potential 998 more entrances be a lot harder to read than one with the standard two?

I’m left with more questions than answers here?

Pace has made the only decision he could based on the actions of the manager and his assistant.

Do we want a dithering chairman or one who is forthright in his beliefs and plans for BFC?

[KRBFC]

No denying that relegation was on the cards. We’ve been reasonably aligned in our thinking, in terms of recruitment (or more accurately lack of) over the last few years.

Does it fill you with confidence that we’ve made this decision two days before our next game, with just eight games to go? The time to do it, if it was deemed to be a requirement, was either December or this coming summer.

All we’ve done now is create even more uncertainty and further limit any monies that we had available. Our club is a shadow of itself prior to Pace’s arrival.

I’ve zero faith in Pace - he’s come into our club and everything has gone to ****. He couldn’t read a room if he had a thousand entrances.

The timing is pretty odd and I agree about ALK.

But why wait until the summer? as you say we were doomed under Dyche, why not give the new man chance to bed in?

What we need to survive is a new manager bounce, a bounce we weren't getting with Dyche here. It's clearly a last shot at survival from ALK.

Look at our next 4 games after West Ham, Watford (A) and 3 home games (Villa, Soton and Wolves), there's a real opportunity there for a bounce. I have no idea behind the scenes, I've never been one to pretend I know anything secret but if what has been reported is true (about the players wanting Dyche gone) it's very very likely we will see an upturn in performances.

Can performances from now until the end of the season REALLY get worse than Norwich/Brentford/Newcastle/Leeds away? personally, I doubt it. Like I said, the players hold all the power these days, when they no longer want to give 100% for the manager, the manager is absolutely toast regardless of his previous record.

[DCWat]

Wouldn’t a room with a potential 998 more entrances be a lot harder to read than one with the standard two?

I’m left with more questions than answers here?

Pace has made the only decision he could based on the actions of the manager and his assistant.

Do we want a dithering chairman or one who is forthright in his beliefs and plans for BFC?

Not sure I was suggested that the room had 1000 doors

[DCWat]

The timing is pretty odd and I agree about ALK.

But why wait until the summer? as you say we were doomed under Dyche, why not give the new man chance to bed in?

What we need to survive is a new manager bounce, a bounce we weren't getting with Dyche here. It's clearly a last shot at survival from ALK.

Look at our next 4 games after West Ham, Watford (A) and 3 home games (Villa, Soton and Wolves), there's a real opportunity there for a bounce. I have no idea behind the scenes, I've never been one to pretend I know anything secret but if what has been reported is true (about the players wanting Dyche gone) it's very very likely we will see an upturn in performances.

Can performances from now until the end of the season REALLY get worse than Norwich/Brentford/Newcastle/Leeds away? personally, I doubt it. Like I said, the players hold all the power these days, when they no longer want to give 100% for the manager, the manager is absolutely toast regardless of his previous record.

That has to be the hope - fail to get that bounce and it’s been a pointless and costly move.

[KRBFC]

That has to be the hope - fail to get that bounce and it’s been a pointless and costly move.

Better to try than not, surely?

I don't see the reasons for waiting until the end of the season to sack Dyche when we were heading in one direction? Are you saying that to save 2 months on their salaries (cheaper to sack)?

[DCWat]

Better to try than not, surely?

I don't see the reasons for waiting until the end of the season to sack Dyche when we were heading in one direction? Are you saying that to save 2 months on their salaries (cheaper to sack)?

I’m of the view that the best person to take us back up was already in charge. His record speaks for itself. I’d be more inclined to dispose of players who think they’re bigger than the manager.

Under our set up, without a D of F, I’d also allow the most successful manager in our modern history to select the players that he wants to bring in and move on those that had become stale.

If I was to get rid of said manager, I’d do it at a time that would afford the new incumbent sufficient time to address issues and bring in the players deemed to be required.

[brexit]

Who is this miracle leader who will win the next 3 after West Ham? It's a huge gamble for anyone coming in. Therefore it won't be someone with anything to lose

I really am coming to the conclusion that Babylon is saxo in disguise