Name the next manager

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:22 pm

Rooney’s post match interview with sky doesn’t sound like he has any intentions of leaving Derby if they can sort the takeover out quickly as he would like to be there to rebuild.

Very praising of the fans for sticking with them too.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:29 pm

What are people seeing in Rooney to make them think he would make a good appointment?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm

Sent a message to my Boro supporting mate about Wilder and his post match comments.

His reply ...well interesting you say that. Apparently there's been some leaked Whatsapp messages with Richie Smallwood saying today was his last game.

If you have a look around Twitter there is certainly some uncertainty amongst our friends at Boro. They will be pig sick if he left for Burnley. They have still not got over the championship season. I think Boro fans worst nightmare would be getting Dyche as their next manager!!.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:51 pm

Wilder has gone from 6/4 to 10/11 in the last 15 minutes, and no I've not put a bet on, not interested in those prices.

Gaia · Post by **Gaia** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:53 pm

Article in the I news

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/next ... ce-1581520

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:54 pm

I heard it was Wilder who headbutted the bouncer at that strip club and ran away leaving Dyche and Big Dunc to deal with the fall out. Can’t imagine that will endear him to Pace.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:54 pm
I heard it was Wilder who headbutted the bouncer at that strip club and ran away leaving Dyche and Big Dunc to deal with the fall out. Can’t imagine that will endear him to Pace.

But who was carrying the purple dildo?

Bangers&Mash · Post by **Bangers&Mash** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:59 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:57 pm
But who was carrying the purple dildo?

Farke. That was solved pages back

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:01 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:57 pm
But who was carrying the purple dildo?

Mercer?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:02 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:57 pm
But who was carrying the purple dildo?

It was bordeaux/claret

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:02 pm

Whats Mark Hughes doing these days?

ok its a joke

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:07 pm

Bangers&Mash wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:59 pm
Farke. That was solved pages back

Of course of course. It’s all coming together now.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:29 pm
What are people seeing in Rooney to make them think he would make a good appointment?

My reasons:

- young
- hungry/something to prove
- plays decent football from what I can tell
- has roused Derby and nearly avoided relegation against all the odds
- has conducted himself as a manager much better than I expected
- knows the Championship very well now, which for me is a pre-requisite
- would be a big name and potentially allow us to attract players in summer

Albeit I can understand why some would be very much against - he couldn’t be more different to Dyche in every respect.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:12 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:09 pm
My reasons:

- young
- hungry/something to prove
- plays decent football from what I can tell
- has roused Derby and nearly avoided relegation against all the odds
- has conducted himself as a manager much better than I expected
- knows the Championship very well now, which for me is a pre-requisite
- would be a big name and potentially allow us to attract players in summer

Albeit I can understand why some would be very much against - he couldn’t be more different to Dyche in every respect.

Some fair points, but he certainly didn’t nearly avoid relegation.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:22 pm

Woonderbah wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:14 pm
Like the sound of Knudsen from what I've read about him.. plays decent stuff, not afraid to use young players and used to working within a budget.

Well that’s two out of three things he’s got over Dyche.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:23 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:06 pm
To be fair that’s not very recent

Thomas Frank

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:12 pm
Some fair points, but he certainly didn’t nearly avoid relegation.

Still in it with 3 games to go following a 21pt deduction is a pretty good crack at the whip though?

Another point: huge social media following. Presumably important these days in terms of securing sponsorship, etc.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:36 pm

Gaia wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:53 pm
Article in the I news

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/next ... ce-1581520

Why?.........he's not managed to do anything for Norwich.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:36 pm
Why?.........he's not managed to do anything for Norwich.

Got them promoted twice, something that people regularly cited as a reason for keeping Dyche.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:31 pm

I'm not going to name names, because I'm not sure the club should be trying to name the next permanent manager right now - for two simple reasons: firstly, until we know what division we're in, I don't think we can possibly know what we want; and secondly, with a handful of game to go, quite a lot of the best longer term fits aren't available.

What I would say is that I'm not in favour of panicking, and an interim manager is only a good idea if you've got someone credible around whom the club can unite . Apart from Allardyce, who fills me with dread, I can't see an obvious candidate (the best I can think of is Chris Hughton, but he's got absolutely no link to the club or the players), and in any event the danger is that the interim person becomes the de facto permanent choice, which risks a short-term gamble becoming a permanent problem. We might be better off inviting someone like Defour to come in and help with the coaching as part of this existing collegiate arrangement we seem to have as a temporary measure.

When we do appoint for the longer term, I'm not sure if we shouldn't actually be appointing two roles. This is the second time in our premier league history that a change of manager has left the club stripped to the bones, and our strength (we let the manager get on with it) is perhaps also our weakness in that we're one of the last clubs that doesn't have a proper head of football operations providing the continuity and stability, and decentralising power from the old-school all powerful manager. The two roles go hand in hand, but my view is that this is probably no time for a punt - we're likely to be looking for someone who can deliver an instant return to the Premier League and whilst my heart would love Michael Duff, I'd need some persuading that he's ready for that sort of challenge. It's going to be a very tricky appointment to get right.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:44 pm

BFS is a season ender for me, I’d object more than the Joey Barton haters on that one. Virtually every one of my football mates said BFS as a p!ss take, for it to actually happen would be (I reckon) like dangling your d!ck in hot chip-fat. Wilder or Kompany for me, Farke as a maybe.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:46 pm

Kompany for me, massively so. Can't see it happening though.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:49 pm

Can someone please explain why they despise BFS but love SD? SD literally is a very Basic version of BFS without the transfer nous.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:53 pm

The interim manager, and we need one, has to be someone who knows this league and would inspire the players to over-perform. We can then take stock including this person in contention for the future.

A half a dozen game new manager bounce would suit us down to the ground.

Not sure who that would be, I just think the inspiration bit is essential.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:01 pm

Wilder betting odds now 1/1

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:02 pm

Calls for the likes of Wilder, Bilic and Farke puzzle me. We’ve just seen far better leave the building.

Assuming we go down, and the aim is a quick return to the top flight, the appointment needs to be someone that we feel can can deliver promotion and then keep us up. I’d have no confidence in any of the aforementioned names doing that.

I agree with Spice in that we don’t want a short term fix to become the de facto longer term appointment - I’d far rather we took the time to have more confidence that we’d made the correct long term signing. That really does limit our options for the remainder of this season.

Appointing both a manager and director of football type position is an interesting one. I certainly get it from a continuity perspective.

We’re in a hugely difficult position right now though, it’s probably very difficult to know what to do for the here and now. Do we spend a pile on someone like Allardyce in the hope that an expensive gamble pays off? Do we risk potential safety with a group of novices? Do we recruit for the future now or wait until the end of the season?

For all of this to happen when it has is massively difficult - it surely backs up the view that there’s more to it than a simple ‘enough is enough’, otherwise we’d surely have made such a decision far sooner.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:02 pm

Sean Dyche is an honest man who shows every sign of having the club's best interest at heart and who would not dream of taking cash in brown envelopes that should rightly go to the club.

I make no comment about Allardyce.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:13 pm

Kompany would be a huge name for us, Wilder seems more “Burnley”, but I think Pace might want to take a risk here and gamble on someone fashionable and modern( horrible way to describe it I know) .

Kompany would be a big name who would potentially attract players to the club. Can’t see it personally being him but you never know

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:15 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:02 pm
Sean Dyche is an honest man who shows every sign of having the club's best interest at heart and who would not dream of taking cash in brown envelopes that should rightly go to the club.

I make no comment about Allardyce.

That's quite probably true but he has now gone and left us at a crossroad.
The appointment of Dyche was one for life so to speak, but that in itself presents problems as Spice has outlined. It looks like we are going to go down the DoF lines which has good points but narrows down that "club for life " man.
There's nothing to say that a new manager and a DoF cannot work together for the benefit of the club.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:22 pm

Those in the know, say Knutson has done an unbelievable job at Bodo Glint.
Who knows if he could do it with Burnley, then we didn't know if Dyche could.
He fills me with more enthusiasm than the alternatives, but we all need to get behind whoever gets the nod.

xxmunkyennuixx · Post by **xxmunkyennuixx** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:28 pm

I'd be delighted with Kompany. He has always been a leader and incredibly thoughtful about the game. I can't see why he'd leave Anderlecht for us. He feels destined for big clubs at some point. I'm not sure we help him get there. Bilic interests me. He seemed to get some rough treatment from WBA and he plays decent football. He seems a decent character as well. We can help him him revive his reputation. As fans, we are very forgiving on the whole. Most clubs would have binned Dyche in December. Wilder was very non-committal. Not sure what he gains by joining us. Pre-Boro then fine but I would back him to mount a credible promotion push following a pre-season. Rooney has surprised me. I like the way he has conducted himself at Derby. He's also done a pretty good job in terrible circumstances. Equally, a take over and he has an opportunity to really build his reputation. It is a great narrative. Fat Sam is a ******* and always will be. He would get no support from me. His antics are not something I would want near Burnley.

I also concur that the departure does not feel right, I think it is a meeting about current and future plans following the Norwich result. Pace and Dyche have disagreed and he's just chucked him out.

Heard rumours before the Everton game of Stone fighting with players. I just don't believe Dyche would allow it. I think our squad would quickly sort Stone out. Bardsley and Tarky stand back whilst Stone bullies a player? Nah. Just don't see it.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:43 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 pm
Got them promoted twice, something that people regularly cited as a reason for keeping Dyche.

I suppose so..........useless in the Prem though....pass.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:51 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:57 pm
Sounds like more of an opinion piece than anything with weight to it. I mean, imagine sacking Sean Dyche for Daniel Farke? Nobody would be that silly, would they?…

“After modernising the commercial side of the club and freshening up the stadium with state of the art digital branding that will allow Turf Moor to hold events, Pace now needs to address urgent matters on-the-field.” - Laughable.

I don't care about Dyche's previous record, to me, you're only as good as your last season. He's been a poor poor manager for the last 18 months. 4 wins all season and some of the performances have been disgraceful. The new manager just needs to improve on that and he's an upgrade.

NorthIsCool · Post by **NorthIsCool** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:55 pm

If BFS becomes even the interim manager (let alone the next permanent manager) I will cancel my renewed season ticket for next season.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:56 pm

Nixon hasn't a clue if that is any help

He's not got anything big right about us for a few years now

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:02 pm

NorthIsCool wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:55 pm
If BFS becomes even the interim manager (let alone the next permanent manager) I will cancel my renewed season ticket for next season.

The flaw to that little plan is more will cancel when we become the championship than people opposed to SA so you’ll be well outnumbered, the PL ranks of more importance than SA sat in the dugout for this season especially given the little that’s left.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:56 pm
Nixon hasn't a clue if that is any help

He's not got anything big right about us for a few years now

Utter bullshit. He is right at least 75% of the time.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:07 pm

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:03 pm
Utter bullshit. He is right at least 75% of the time.

What about the 90% of times he is wrong

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:09 pm

Kompany I think will be aiming higher if he is planning a return to England although a potential Defour link-up would be intriguing

Rooney lots of previously unknown qualities displayed this season and has conducted himself impeccably under the circumstances. Friendship with Beardsley not to be underestimated but might not be reunited here

Wilder seems to run out of ideas after bright starts - are Middlesbrough any better off now than when Warnock left? Plus he has previous as far as fallings-out are concerned. He moves on quite regularly

Knusden, Bilic and Jikanovic are definitely worth longer term consideration

Lots of talk about Michael Duff but what about Leam Richardson. Paul Cook's longterm no. 2 - after Cook took the Ipswich job one is on the verge of promotion to the Championship the other is in and around the National League play-offs

CardyTheClaret · Post by **CardyTheClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:12 pm

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:04 pm
So you are wrong when you said he had a great run at the end of the season

Don't make me be a geek and pick out the good run, I'll take your avoidance as a 'Yes.'

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:56 pm
Nixon hasn't a clue if that is any help

He's not got anything big right about us for a few years now

He was the one who first reported our two biggest signings last summer in Collins and Cornet, so you are quite wrong

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:13 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:51 pm
I don't care about Dyche's previous record, to me, you're only as good as your last season. He's been a poor poor manager for the last 18 months. 4 wins all season and some of the performances have been disgraceful. The new manager just needs to improve on that and he's an upgrade.

That’s fair KRBFC, but the discussion point in my post was Daniel Farke. Surely he doesn’t meet the criteria?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:14 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:13 pm
That’s fair KRBFC, but the discussion point in my post was Daniel Farke. Surely he doesn’t meet the criteria?

what's the criteria though ?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:16 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:14 pm
what's the criteria though ?

Well, people were unhappy with Dyche’s performance with us at this level so wanted his removal - Farke has done worse than him at this level and as good as at the level below, so it can’t be constituted as anything but a downgrade surely?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:19 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:16 pm
Well, people were unhappy with Dyche’s performance with us at this level so wanted his removal - Farke has done worse than him at this level and as good as at the level below, so it can’t be constituted as anything but a downgrade surely?

I think people (myself massively) were fed up with the style of play more so than the results. At this level we are always going to struggle but at least try and entertain whilst losing ! First half at WHU at least we played some decent stuff. I genuinely couldn't give you a name of who I would like, there are no stand out candidates for me (I don't know anything about the guy from Norway)

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:21 pm

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:23 pm

No chance Wilder comes to us now. Nixon is spot on, why would Boro possibly let him go now when they are a few points off the play offs?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:24 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:19 pm
I think people (myself massively) were fed up with the style of play more so than the results. At this level we are always going to struggle but at least try and entertain whilst losing ! First half at WHU at least we played some decent stuff. I genuinely couldn't give you a name of who I would like, there are no stand out candidates for me (I don't know anything about the guy from Norway)

I’d take Wilder or Bilic out of the names mentioned. Nobody else excites me or I see it as too much of a risk. Farke at least has promotions under his belt from the Championship, I do believe that needs to be a pre-requisite (just my thoughts). I am slightly more risk averse than most though, hence my reticence around sacking Dyche, and concern over appointing an unknown such as Kompany, Duff or the Norwegian fellow.

CardyTheClaret · Post by **CardyTheClaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:24 pm

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:04 pm
So you are wrong when you said he had a great run at the end of the season

He got 34 points in the finally third of third of the season, if that's not ******* great then perhaps we are judging it differently. ******* hell, give up, will you?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:25 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:23 pm
No chance Wilder comes to us now. Nixon is spot on, why would Boro possibly let him go now when they are a few points off the play offs?

Just to play devils advocate, Burnley weren’t letting Owen Coyle go in 2010.

Wilder can force it, should he really want it.