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by mkmel » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 am
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:47 am
I think if he’s going to Europe it will be Diego Martinez.
Just been reading up on Diego Martinez and it seems that he did an excellent job at Granada.
Can't find out why he left them though.
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by Lancasterclaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 am
It could be any out of work European manager
Hasn't Martinez only managed CF Granada?
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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:02 am
Rudi Garcia, Lucien Favre or Paulo Fonseca anyone?

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by mkmel » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:03 am
Anyone able to post the latest betting to see whose odds have shortened?
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:05 am
CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:52 am
Just to clarify. Your two main points of Dyche having ZERO experience and him not having a cracking end to the season were both wrong. I'll leave it at that, I'm sure you won't.
Clarify what you call end of season because you keep changing it, is it
1 - last 6 or 7 games (what I'd call the last part of the season)
2 - last half of the season
3 - last 3rd of the season
4 - last few month's.....you've said all the above
5 - or a new one to suit your agenda.......
In my opinion but clearly not yours, 1 season under his belt is zero to very little experience, I'll leave it at that, I'm sure you won't

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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:05 am
mkmel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:03 am
Anyone able to post the latest betting to see whose odds have shortened?
The odds haven't changed at all really, Kompany was 7/2 yesterday he's now 25/1
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:06 am
mkmel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:03 am
Anyone able to post the latest betting to see whose odds have shortened?

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by mkmel » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:07 am
ClaretMov wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:05 am
Clarify what you call end of season because you keep changing it, is it
1 - last 6 or 7 games (what I'd call the last part of the season)
2 - last half of the season
3 - last 3rd of the season
4 - last few month's.....you've said all the above
5 - or a new one to suit your agenda.......
In my opinion but clearly not yours, 1 season under his belt is zero to very little experience, I'll leave it at that, I'm sure you won't
Stop squabbling and get a room you two

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by Penwortham_Claret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:59 am
How is a club that was paying their last manager close to £100,000 a week, not an attractive proposition? you're incredibly naive if you don't think money talks.
Of which we will continue to pay a substantial percentage for some time.
Let’s see what we end up with. I’ll wager no premier league experience
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:10 am
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 am
Of which we will continue to pay a substantial percentage for some time.
Let’s see what we end up with. I’ll wager no premier league experience
They don't need to have any Premier league experience
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:11 am
mkmel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:07 am
Stop squabbling and get a room you two
Lol I'd love a room with just us two
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:11 am
mkmel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 am
Just been reading up on Diego Martinez and it seems that he did an excellent job at Granada.
Can't find out why he left them though.
He didn't agree with the Corrie plotlines.
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by Roosterbooster » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:13 am
According to an analytics company he adds more to a squad than any other coach
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by Down_Rover » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:20 am
too many at the top of the betting lists are 'nearly done it managers'. That includes Chris Wilder.
Ternent, Cotterill, Coyle, Dyche. all of these turned out to be good managers and moved the club on with varying degrees of success but mainly positive.
i prefer to think we will appoint a manager who has shown early signs of promise, has learned, and is now ready for the next challenge. Kompany may well fit this bill but I am sure there are others, maybe Santo too, but few on the bookmakers lists appeal
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by RVclaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:24 am
Diego Martinez an interesting one. Obviously no link just speculation based on Pace heading into Europe. Seems he’s been in England watching a lot of the PL recently and loves the football tradition here. The job he did at Granada seems akin to Dyche here. Available too.
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:29 am
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by CardyTheClaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:32 am
ClaretMov wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:05 am
Clarify what you call end of season because you keep changing it, is it
1 - last 6 or 7 games (what I'd call the last part of the season)
2 - last half of the season
3 - last 3rd of the season
4 - last few month's.....you've said all the above
5 - or a new one to suit your agenda.......
In my opinion but clearly not yours, 1 season under his belt is zero to very little experience, I'll leave it at that, I'm sure you won't
Oh well, you changed you stance from 'zero' to 'zero to little experience' All I said initially was that it wasn't strictly true, so it's good to see you now agree with me.

I'll probably leave it at that.

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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:32 am
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 am
Of which we will continue to pay a substantial percentage for some time.
Let’s see what we end up with. I’ll wager no premier league experience
I want Rooney/Kompany/Knutsen/Cooper, non of whom have any PL experience so hopefully you're right!
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:34 am
Pity you can't admit you changed what you said about the end of his season, half, 3rd, last month's
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:36 am
mkmel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 am
Just been reading up on Diego Martinez and it seems that he did an excellent job at Granada.
Can't find out why he left them though.
I mentioned this guy back in January

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by Roosterbooster » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:37 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:32 am
I want Rooney/Kompany/Knutsen/Cooper, non of whom have any PL experience so hopefully you're right!
Whats the obsession with Rooney?
Granted he's done an OK job in difficult circumstances. But it's only an OK job. And he has basically been in a win-win situation all along, as nothing was expected.
I genuinely interested in your thoughts
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by williamjblazkowicz » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:39 am
I've looked up Diego Martinez. Quite an interesting career so far. Only 41 and he's not far off having managed 500 games, albeit most at a low level as he was gaining experience. Started coaching at age 20 and his most recent posts were at Osasuna and then Granada. A 47% win rate at the latter.
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by Bfc » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:41 am
Knutsen has a contract until the end of the Norwegian season in December. But it's said, he then has a desire to try something new. There are no reports of interest in him in any of the national papers over there.
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by Penwortham_Claret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:43 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:32 am
I want Rooney/Kompany/Knutsen/Cooper, non of whom have any PL experience so hopefully you're right!
My point being that most neutrals would suggest that Rafa is a far higher calibre manager than any of those on your list. I think your list is more realistic and akin with where I think we should be aiming our search on the basis that the more elite managers are out of our reach
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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:44 am
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:43 am
My point being that most neutrals would suggest that Rafa is a far higher calibre manager than any of those on your list. I think your list is more realistic and akin with where I think we should be aiming our search on the basis that the more elite managers are out of our reach
I pray we don't get Rafa
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by kenyon6923 » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:47 am
IF we get relegated what proof have we that we could pay Wilder more than Middlesbrough ?
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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:47 am
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:37 am
Whats the obsession with Rooney?
Granted he's done an OK job in difficult circumstances. But it's only an OK job. And he has basically been in a win-win situation all along, as nothing was expected.
I genuinely interested in your thoughts
I think you're under egging it by saying Rooney has done ok at Derby, incredible job when you look at their squad, they just beat Fulham last night. I like the way Rooney speaks and how he's operated at Derby, very professional when he could've easily publicly lost his rag. I like the way he spoke about Lampard jumping to the Chelsea job far too early and how he wouldn't make the same mistake. He turned down the Everton job for that reason but now Derby are pretty much gone, maybe he'll be ready for the next step in his career. Rooney will bring eyes to Burnley, we'll be the medias favourite club and referred to as ''Wayne Rooney's Burnley'' the same way Derby were under Frank. Then there's the pull and attraction for players to work with Rooney, same with Coutinho and Gerrard. If we're keeping it England based, I'd take Rooney.
''just copied and pasted my previous comment''. I'd also add, he's used largely youth team players at Derby, forced to develop and promote youngsters.
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by Gaia » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:48 am
This story is doing the rounds on twitter , Boro fans talking about it.
Chris Wilder was invited and attended a game at Turf Moor by the Burnley directors.
This was while Sean Dyche was still manager, and he was completely unaware of Wilder’s visit.
🗞: @talkSPORT

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https://t.co/Vav3xeAsEQ
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by Lancasterclaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:49 am
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:43 am
My point being that most neutrals would suggest that Rafa is a far higher calibre manager than any of those on your list. I think your list is more realistic and akin with where I think we should be aiming our search on the basis that the more elite managers are out of our reach
Rafa wants money, lots and lots and lots of money
Newcastle fans raved about him, but his record was barely better (might not have been better actually) than Bruce, and the football was excruciatingly bad, and his spectacular disaster spell at Everton looked dreadful from the outside
No from me
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:49 am
Diego Martinez would cost us nothing in compensation comes with experience of taking a club from the second tier to the top flight and then into Europe, what's not to like we're Burnley not Barcelona
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by boyyanno » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:50 am
Gaia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:48 am
This story is doing the rounds on twitter , Boro fans talking about it.
Chris Wilder was invited and attended a game at Turf Moor by the Burnley directors.
This was while Sean Dyche was still manager, and he was completely unaware of Wilder’s visit.
🗞: @talkSPORT

: @GettyImages | #UTB
https://t.co/Vav3xeAsEQ
Can't see how this can be true to be honest. I think he would have been photographed in the crowd if this was the case. He's also a friend of Dyches isn't he?
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by boyyanno » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:52 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:49 am
Rafa wants money, lots and lots and lots of money
Newcastle fans raved about him, but his record was barely better (might not have been better actually) than Bruce, and the football was excruciatingly bad, and his spectacular disaster spell at Everton looked dreadful from the outside
No from me
I agree, he's a bigger name and profile than we are used too but he's overrated imo.
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by Burnley Ace » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:52 am
Whose name rhymes best with “Claret n Blue Army” Kjeti Knutson isn’t going to work!
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by KRBFC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:53 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:49 am
Rafa wants money, lots and lots and lots of money
Newcastle fans raved about him, but his record was barely better (might not have been better actually) than Bruce, and the football was excruciatingly bad, and his spectacular disaster spell at Everton looked dreadful from the outside
No from me
It was the exact same as Bruce record wise If I'm not mistaken
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by burnleymik » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:54 am
Heard a few things about Rafa, mainly that nothing is ever his fault and he has a habit of pointing fingers and blaming others, which can create a toxic atmosphere.
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by ClaretMov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:58 am
boyyanno wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:50 am
Can't see how this can be true to be honest. I think he would have been photographed in the crowd if this was the case. He's also a friend of Dyches isn't he?
He was hiding in the Bob Lord stand

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by Quicknick » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:59 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:47 am
I think you're under egging it by saying Rooney has done ok at Derby, incredible job when you look at their squad, they just beat Fulham last night. I like the way Rooney speaks and how he's operated at Derby, very professional when he could've easily publicly lost his rag. I like the way he spoke about Lampard jumping to the Chelsea job far too early and how he wouldn't make the same mistake. He turned down the Everton job for that reason but now Derby are pretty much gone, maybe he'll be ready for the next step in his career. Rooney will bring eyes to Burnley, we'll be the medias favourite club and referred to as ''Wayne Rooney's Burnley'' the same way Derby were under Frank. Then there's the pull and attraction for players to work with Rooney, same with Coutinho and Gerrard. If we're keeping it England based, I'd take Rooney.
''just copied and pasted my previous comment''. I'd also add, he's used largely youth team players at Derby, forced to develop and promote youngsters.
I remember us being referred to as Chris Waddle's Burnley'.
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by OffTheBar » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:12 pm
Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:52 am
Whose name rhymes best with “Claret n Blue Army” Kjeti Knutson isn’t going to work!
George Oghani
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by quoonbeatz » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:15 pm
Gaia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:48 am
This story is doing the rounds on twitter , Boro fans talking about it.
Chris Wilder was invited and attended a game at Turf Moor by the Burnley directors.
This was while Sean Dyche was still manager, and he was completely unaware of Wilder’s visit.
🗞: @talkSPORT

: @GettyImages | #UTB
https://t.co/Vav3xeAsEQ
It's a load of rubbish that. He was seen on the day and talked about it on the radio a couple of days later.
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by Quickenthetempo » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:19 pm
Gaia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:48 am
This story is doing the rounds on twitter , Boro fans talking about it.
Chris Wilder was invited and attended a game at Turf Moor by the Burnley directors.
This was while Sean Dyche was still manager, and he was completely unaware of Wilder’s visit.
🗞: @talkSPORT

: @GettyImages | #UTB
https://t.co/Vav3xeAsEQ
Wilder was at a Burnley game a few months ago (can't remember which one) and was shown on camera. But he was in the corporate bit in the lower longside and not the Directors box.
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by Boss Hogg » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm
Football managers attend other clubs games all the time.
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by Les Lawrence » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm
It was the Norwich game at home
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by NewClaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm
Pace abroad talking to a foreign candidate according to Nixon.
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by Milltown1882 » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:28 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm
Pace abroad talking to a foreign candidate according to Nixon.
Farke/Knutsen?
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by BabylonClaret » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:46 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:15 am
Nope the opposite. He was the only one reporting it was happening.
His article is basically that Pace is heading to Europe to speak to a manager today. All domestic options appear off the cards. Also says that we want to appoint a permanent manager rather than previously reported interim.
Well that is a twist. Not sure about that - could be a Howe mk2 appointment - ie exciting but with the potential to go tits up I the same way. (I mean all appointments have the potential to go sour but I suspect the element of gamble is different if you went for someone say with experience.
If it were a toss up between Norwegian and Kompany I might tip towards Kompany - he knows the Emglish game and has contacts plus has respect
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by Winstonswhite » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:50 pm
Wowzers. I took that as if he’d take the job if it was offered to him.
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by beddie » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:59 pm
I’d like someone with plenty of contacts, especially abroad with an emphasis on youth.