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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Goobs » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:02 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:10 am
Just googled Diego Martinez and he certainly looks interesting. Hopefully we’ll hear something soon. If we win tomorrow night I’ll start to believe we can do it.
I may but only if Everton lose tonight.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CardyTheClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:14 am

Goobs wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:02 am
I may but only if Everton lose tonight.
Everton won't lose against Leicester. But I still think we a have a chance.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Goobs » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:22 am

CardyTheClaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:14 am
Everton won't lose against Leicester. But I still think we a have a chance.
I agree on the first part but not the second.


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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:55 am

https://www.hudl.com/blog/bodo-glimt-tactic-wyscout

I’ll add this one - very good break down of his tactics and job he’s done. Quite a recent article.

Some posters will have a heart attack if he joins as he’s a ‘play out from the back’ type. In fact his tactics aren’t too dissimilar in shape and style to Pep.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Pearcey » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:21 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:55 am
https://www.hudl.com/blog/bodo-glimt-tactic-wyscout

I’ll add this one - very good break down of his tactics and job he’s done. Quite a recent article.

Some posters will have a heart attack if he joins as he’s a ‘play out from the back’ type. In fact his tactics aren’t too dissimilar in shape and style to Pep.
Not sure we have the players to do that to be honest.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:21 am
Not sure we have the players to do that to be honest.
Yes and no. Right now? No. After a rebuild in the summer? Why not. Palace a prime example that it can be achieved, albeit with a larger budget than us.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:21 am
Not sure we have the players to do that to be honest.
Yes and no. Right now? No. After a rebuild in the summer? Why not. Palace a prime example that it can be achieved, albeit with a larger budget than us.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by NewClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:39 am

That last link had me sold!

Plus he likes a bar brawl like Dychey - what’s not to like?! :lol:

Couldn’t watch us playing it out from the back though. Would have a heart attack!!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am
Yes and no. Right now? No. After a rebuild in the summer? Why not. Palace a prime example that it can be achieved, albeit with a larger budget than us.
And ain't that the rub.....

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:46 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am
And ain't that the rub.....
Yeah, that’s what we are up against and why we need an excellent recruitment set up / manager to wheel and deal. Id expect Knutsen would have a very good knowledge of the Scandinavian leagues for example, where many hidden gems are often found. He can bring Solbakken from Bodo with him for a start!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Pearcey » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:47 am

Knutsen feels like a massive gamble though.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Steddyman » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:00 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:47 am
Knutsen feels like a massive gamble though.
Like Dyche was then?
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:01 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:47 am
Knutsen feels like a massive gamble though.
Like Duche was

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by tiger76 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:30 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:47 am
Knutsen feels like a massive gamble though.
Any new manager will be a gamble, but this guy ticks a lot of boxes, and he's built a cracking young side at Bodo.

I'd much rather we take a calculated risk on someone like him than go down the normal road of the usual suspects.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:33 am

You’d have thought that by now, the press would have more information on who its likely to be or who our number 1 target is. Pace must be keeping his cards close.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:38 am

As long as its not one of the old school types who somehow always end up with jobs I'm not too bothered

No to Bruce/BFS/Wilder here

If we are going to change, then lets really go for it
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Roosterbooster » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:44 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:39 am
That last link had me sold!
Totally agree

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Mala591 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:44 am

Pace must be patient because a rushed (and wrong) appointment would be a disaster. We MUST appoint someone with an excellent record of youth development (into the first team) as we can no longer afford (imo) to buy top quality ‘PL ready’ players.

If the right person for Burnley FC isn’t available until summer then wait until then.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:45 am

Not sure Pace has a target. Obviously the sacking last week was a knee jerk reaction otherwise we’d have someone in place by now.
Too late for an interim to make much difference so cant see us with anyone new until after the end of the season.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by distortiondave » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:46 am

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:00 am
Like Dyche was then?
It's a different gamble.
Dyche's remit wouldn't have been to get us promoted at the first full attempt, it would have been to maintain our status as mid table club, get a few quid from some plum cup ties, and maybe dip our toes in the play off water a bit.

The next guy has to keep us up, or take us up, or we will very likely begin spiralling down the debt drain.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:57 am

Kjetil Knutsen from Bodo Glimt - sounds like something out of Tolkien.

Get him in! :geek:
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Sleeping Cat » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:04 am

Mala591 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:44 am
Pace must be patient because a rushed (and wrong) appointment would be a disaster. We MUST appoint someone with an excellent record of youth development (into the first team) as we can no longer afford (imo) to buy top quality ‘PL ready’ players.

If the right person for Burnley FC isn’t available until summer then wait until then.
I Think this is a very important quality in the next manager. The ability to develop younger players from the youth team/academy/U23's is something that can be massively improved. For a club who is financially weaker in the transfer market this would really help strengthen the team as well as funds if players move on to financially bigger clubs.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:09 am

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:04 am
I Think this is a very important quality in the next manager. The ability to develop younger players from the youth team/academy/U23's is something that can be massively improved. For a club who is financially weaker in the transfer market this would really help strengthen the team as well as funds if players move on to financially bigger clubs.
Is it the job of the first team manager/coach to develop youth players? It will be down to him whether they play or not based on whether he feels they are good enough but the recruitment of the players and their development is surely the job of the academy coaches.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:23 am

distortiondave wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:46 am
It's a different gamble.
Dyche's remit wouldn't have been to get us promoted at the first full attempt, it would have been to maintain our status as mid table club, get a few quid from some plum cup ties, and maybe dip our toes in the play off water a bit.

The next guy has to keep us up, or take us up, or we will very likely begin spiralling down the debt drain.
In Sean Dyche's first full season, around April 2014, when it looked like we could get second place, I met one of the club's co-chairman at a work event. He wanted to chat about Burnley. He told me, when they were recruiting, the directors had set Dyche the target of promotion in his second full season. Achieving it a season earlier the finances weren't ready to strengthen if we were to go up.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by DCWat » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:26 am

If we are to go down the route of foreign coach with potential, the Director of Football position probably become more of an essential requirement.

Should an ambitious foreign manager do well, there is possibly a greater likelihood that they’d be poached, more so than someone like Wilder, I’d imagine. A D of F would hopefully bring an element of stability / continuity by planning for such eventualities.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Flying Without Ings » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:26 am

Wilder been backed in to 1/3 on Sky Bet this morning.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:27 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:23 am
In Sean Dyche's first full season, around April 2014, when it looked like we could get second place, I met one of the club's co-chairman at a work event. He wanted to chat about Burnley. He told me, when they were recruiting, the directors had set Dyche the target of promotion in his second full season. Achieving it a season earlier the finances weren't ready to strengthen if we were to go up.
I met John B on the eve of the 13/14 season. Really nice guy. I asked him what he thought would be a good season for the us, and he said to me top 10. He also said that Dyche is the man! I need him for next weeks lottery numbers :lol:
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:28 am

Knutsen or Wilder

I'll go with the former - at least he will know some of the foreign markets

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by BabylonClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:37 am

Reading those inks about the who's, training the way the team culture is under knutsen he sounds an awful lot Iike Dyche.

He would be a huge gamble but and interesting one. There's a gulf in the standard between Norwegian and English football in terms of the physical demand on players - it's another 30% (more in the Championship) of games on top.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Sleeping Cat » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:40 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:09 am
Is it the job of the first team manager/coach to develop youth players? It will be down to him whether they play or not based on whether he feels they are good enough but the recruitment of the players and their development is surely the job of the academy coaches.
No youth player comes out of the academy ready to slot into a first team, there's a huge gap between U23's and first team football as you see in the Johnston's Paint trophy where the modern day "wonder kid" academies are regularly beaten by league 1 & 2 teams. Some first team managers are better than others at integrating youth players, giving them a chance in the right circumstances to help them develop and adapt technically, physically and mentally to make the next step up.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by northeastclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:44 am

Just been posted on the Boro message forum ,’I have had more communications, situation is no change he is definitely going. A lot of anger and confusion at MFC. Steve Gibson isn’t happy.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:48 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:44 am
Just been posted on the Boro message forum ,’I have had more communications, situation is no change he is definitely going. A lot of anger and confusion at MFC. Steve Gibson isn’t happy.
Was the poster BenWickes?
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by aggi » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:51 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:09 am
Is it the job of the first team manager/coach to develop youth players? It will be down to him whether they play or not based on whether he feels they are good enough but the recruitment of the players and their development is surely the job of the academy coaches.
Those final steps of integrating them into the first team squad and actually getting match minutes is obviously down to the manager. They need to be a decent prospect and have had all the foundations, you can't just bring in anyone, but it's that final polish that really adds the value.

As to whether we are capable of getting players up to that stage of first team integration, I don't really know.

If we do go down then one of the unintended consequences will be that it will probably be easier to bring young players through.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:57 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:44 am
Just been posted on the Boro message forum ,’I have had more communications, situation is no change he is definitely going. A lot of anger and confusion at MFC. Steve Gibson isn’t happy.
Just checking

That is just a post from a random internet guy correct?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by northeastclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:03 am

Yes .I live near Middlesbrough and the fans I know think he is going, but I don’t know or follow their message board to know how many posters are actually in the know. A bit like ours, probably not a lot 😂. But I think this probably is togetherwith all the other noise and comments going around.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:07 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:47 am
Knutsen feels like a massive gamble though.
His team give Jose Mourinho his biggest ever career defeat when they beat Roma 6-1 in the Europa
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by tiger76 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:15 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:07 am
His team give Jose Mourinho his biggest ever career defeat when they beat Roma 6-1 in the Europa
Indeed they did, and they've also whipped Celtic home and away this season, and by all accounts they play fast skilful footy, exactly what we've been crying out for apparently.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:18 am

His team plays 433

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:25 am

I’d prefer Wilder for his knowledge of the Championship. It’s a big ask for somebody to come from the Norwegian league into the English top divisions.

I don’t see that he brings a reputation that would attract players and very little exposure (if any) of recruiting in the ponds that we will be looking in. Too much of a step up for me.

Recruitment is a primary focus over the summer with all the OOC players. This would be a primary consideration for me if I was involved in appointing the next manager and would push me towards a reputation manager such as Rooney, Kompany etc

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:27 am

His team away from home v a championship standard team

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1sq1iNADKtw

V Mourinho's Roma

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHofvAvnmcY
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by clarethomer » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:30 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:25 am
I’d prefer Wilder for his knowledge of the Championship. It’s a big ask for somebody to come from the Norwegian league into the English top divisions.

I don’t see that he brings a reputation that would attract players and very little exposure (if any) of recruiting in the ponds that we will be looking in. Too much of a step up for me.

Recruitment is a primary focus over the summer with all the OOC players. This would be a primary consideration for me if I was involved in appointing the next manager and would push me towards a reputation manager such as Rooney, Kompany etc
How would you rate Potter at Brighton? He applied his trade in the Swedish leagues before going into the championship and then premier league.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Wokingclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:34 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:44 am
Just been posted on the Boro message forum ,’I have had more communications, situation is no change he is definitely going. A lot of anger and confusion at MFC. Steve Gibson isn’t happy.
Boro fans are always like this, the Gazette doesn't help. If this happens he will become their OC

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:38 am

clarethomer wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:30 am
How would you rate Potter at Brighton? He applied his trade in the Swedish leagues before going into the championship and then premier league.
Potter has done well, and his team do control the football a lot better than most, but he's got a big budget

And he's got nowhere near a 7th place finish and a European place, which is something we have managed

But yeah, its does show that you can get good managers that you wouldn't really think about abroad

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:41 am

Wokingclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:34 am
Boro fans are always like this, the Gazette doesn't help. If this happens he will become their OC
The Gazette loves to stir the pot, they did last time over Karanka etc :lol:

Not sure how he could be their OC, he's been there a few months and achieved not a lot.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Wokingclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:42 am

Yes, but they'd still hate him.

Guess it comes down to location and money
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:38 am
Potter has done well, and his team do control the football a lot better than most, but he's got a big budget

And he's got nowhere near a 7th place finish and a European place, which is something we have managed

But yeah, its does show that you can get good managers that you wouldn't really think about abroad
Potter has been in the job less than 3 year's, it took Dyche 6 to finish 7th, he's got 3 years to catch up and this season he's only 6 points away from 7th so far

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:46 am

clarethomer wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:30 am
How would you rate Potter at Brighton? He applied his trade in the Swedish leagues before going into the championship and then premier league.
Born in the Midlands and played his whole career in the English leagues. Not really a direct comparison

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:49 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:46 am
Born in the Midlands and played his whole career in the English leagues. Not really a direct comparison
It is when people quote the English league is a step up from abroad where a manager is working

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:51 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:43 am
Potter has been in the job less than 3 year's, it took Dyche 6 to finish 7th, he's got 3 years to catch up and this season he's only 6 points away from 7th so far
Whats his budget compared to SDs?

With the money Brighton have spent, they should be doing better than mid table

I think its a very poor look to degenerate what was an amazing season for BFC under SD btw

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