Name the next manager

eastcoastclaret · Post by **eastcoastclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:07 pm
Don’t most signings both managerial and player that are awaiting permits get announced subject to international clearance?

I also think international clearance and work permits are different.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 pm

From reading the rules on work permits it seems a massive issue bringing in coaches from abroad who have not been involved in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Also says they must have been working at that level for 5 years. Looks like this could be the issue which has arisen, Kompanys desired staff being unabke to secure work permits

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:18 pm

I think it’s pretty obvious now we are going to get screwed on this. Let’s hope there’s an immediate back up.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:19 pm

FFS Calm down.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:20 pm

"****, what can I say that will be even more doom laden than the previous post"

Some of you are not going to last the night at this rate

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:20 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 pm
From reading the rules on work permits it seems a massive issue bringing in coaches from abroad who have not been involved in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Also says they must have been working at that level for 5 years. Looks like this could be the issue which has arisen, Kompanys desired staff being unabke to secure work permits

Were the club not aware of this ?

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:21 pm

Got to laugh, haven't you.

If some people are sceptical about how much Pace "gets" the club then no need to worry.

Coz this could from the top drawer alongside Lansbury, Lambert and the rest.

Proper Burnley behaviour this.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:22 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:21 pm
Got to laugh, haven't you.

If some people are sceptical about how much Pace "gets" the club then no need to worry.

Coz this could from the top drawer alongside Lansbury, Lambert and the rest.

Proper Burnley behaviour this.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:24 pm

If Kompany is wearing a big hat be concerned!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:25 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:21 pm
Got to laugh, haven't you.

If some people are sceptical about how much Pace "gets" the club then no need to worry.

Coz this could from the top drawer alongside Lansbury, Lambert and the rest.

Proper Burnley behaviour this.

Kamil Grosicki springs to mind

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:26 pm

Might it be that his contract at Anderlecht officially expires on 31/05 so we can only make the announcement on 01/06?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:27 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:26 pm
Might it be that his contract at Anderlecht officially expires on 31/05 so we can only make the announcement on 01/06?

His contract was until 2024 it was cut short the other day, shouldn’t be a reason why

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:28 pm

Tony Mowbray anyone?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:29 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:27 pm
His contract was until 2024 it was cut short the other day, shouldn’t be a reason why

Cut short could still see a short period of garden leave? Presumably being paid until the end of the month?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:29 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 pm
From reading the rules on work permits it seems a massive issue bringing in coaches from abroad who have not been involved in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Also says they must have been working at that level for 5 years. Looks like this could be the issue which has arisen, Kompanys desired staff being unabke to secure work permits

The club have been speaking to him for weeks and weeks. Even before being relegated. I’m sure we would have figured out what permits were required by now.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:30 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:29 pm
Cut short could still see a short period of garden leave? Presumably being paid until the end of the month?

I doubt that’s a problem, wouldn’t they just announce Kompany has signed and will start on day X?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:31 pm

Weeks and weeks...and still not announced?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:31 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:29 pm
The club have been speaking to him for weeks and weeks. Even before being relegated. I’m sure we would have figured out what permits were required by now.

Not sure these apply where his wife and kids are British anyway?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:33 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:31 pm
Not sure these apply where his wife and kids are British anyway?

More so for his coaching staff maybe?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:34 pm

Coaching staff that arent really needed for 3 weeks though, so why the delay in Kompany announcement, unless he wont come without these coaches

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:34 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:33 pm
More so for his coaching staff maybe?

Again would that prevent Kompany from being announced if his permits weren’t an issue?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:36 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:34 pm
Again would that prevent Kompany from being announced if his permits weren’t an issue?

Doubt he would come if literally all his coaching staff were not able to.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:30 pm
I doubt that’s a problem, wouldn’t they just announce Kompany has signed and will start on day X?

Fair point.

I suppose the scenario I’m imagining is that there’s a clause by which either parties could “mutually terminate” (like a break clause) on a set date and if he were “reemployed” before that date we might owe compo.

To be honest, I’m making it up as I go along

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:37 pm

Its the hope that kills you

I think RV and CT who have been telling us there is nothing to worry are going to end up with egg on their faces.

No one can tell me these things take this long, if its agreed its announced, end of. After all the bad news and uncertainty the club would be rushing out any good news if not just for more season ticket sales ehich they are trying to push heavily.

Not overly bothered personally, at this point I would give the job to my next door neighbour

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:38 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:36 pm
Doubt he would come if literally all his coaching staff were not able to.

BFC waiting on references for Bellamy….

Crikey we might be here next summer!

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:38 pm

I saw that they paid their last manager €4m per year base salary, plus being top division and the chance to live in Dusseldorf which is very pleasant and it would be unrealistic to view us as favourites unless he was persuaded by moving back to ‘home’.

It is great to be ambitious, a flaw of the old regime, but one thing you need when being ambitious is a plan B if it doesn’t come off. Burnley didn’t seem to have that last year with the Orsic one, the failure to plug central midfield etc. i hope the club does this time, just in case.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:39 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:37 pm
Fair point.

I suppose the scenario I’m imagining is that there’s a clause by which either parties could “mutually terminate” (like a break clause) on a set date and if he were “reemployed” before that date we might owe compo.

To be honest, I’m making it up as I go along

I’m just imagining it how a contractor would work. If there contract finished on X date they could sign another contract to start on that date

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:39 pm
I’m just imagining it how a contractor would work. If there contract finished on X date they could sign another contract to start on that date

Yeah agree with that. It’s just if any odd compensation clauses existed we’d rather not worry about potentially breaching?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:41 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:40 pm
Yeah agree with that. It’s just if any odd compensation clauses existed we’d rather not worry about potentially breaching?

Potentially but I would suggest that the fact they parted ways rather than it just coming to the end of his contract that’s not an issue.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:43 pm

Kompany needs work permit - Alan nixon

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:44 pm

We just need a manager at this point, it’s rudderless. So much uncertainty over so many aspects of the club, that’s without me even thinking of the finances.

Unless there is good reason for Kompany not having been announced yet (I.e, he needs to travel to the UK/he’s sorting out his accommodation for his family etc etc), I’d set an ultimatum. If we’re waiting on him making a decision as opposed to something totally understandable, then it’s **** or bust time for us let alone him.

I’d give him 24 hours if he’s umming and ahhing.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:45 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:43 pm
Kompany needs work permit - Alan nixon

I don’t know the ins and outs, but his Wife is English, his kids are and he lived here ten years - surely a formality?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:45 pm
I don’t know the ins and outs, but his Wife is English, his kids are and he lived here ten years - surely a formality?

More than likely

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:43 pm
Kompany needs work permit - Alan nixon

He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:47 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm
He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

No idea if anyone has Patreon they could probably provide more info

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:49 pm

Brexit biting Burnley on the arse.

There’s something.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:49 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm
He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

Because of Brexit

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:50 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm
He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

That sounds daft

Mind you, there are Ukrainian kids who can't get into the country despite their parents being here so I suppose anything is possible these days

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:50 pm

If true… oh the irony

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:52 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:43 pm
Kompany needs work permit - Alan nixon

Phew, that’s settled my nerves

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:52 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm
He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

Brexit, Tory government, to name just 2 reasons .

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:53 pm

Rumour on Twitter that Rwanda national team might be in for him after hearing of his issues around getting a UK work permit

eastcoastclaret · Post by **eastcoastclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:56 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm
He has worked in England prior to brexit, he has lived in England enough years to gain a British passport. Why would he need a work permit?

Kompany may well get a work permit but his backroom staff may not. He may then choose not to come and instead go to another club in Europe where work permits are not an issue. If he signed on Thursday or Friday, it's only Monday today and government departments don't work weekends remember.

Of course everything might be fine or he may have to employ a different backroom team. All hypothetical at this point.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:58 pm

They won't be working Thursday or Friday either

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:58 pm

Maybe he failed his Naturalization test which now includes a full section on imperial measurements.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:59 pm

eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:56 pm
Kompany may well get a work permit but his backroom staff may not. He may then choose not to come and instead go to another club in Europe where work permits are not an issue. If he signed on Thursday or Friday, it's only Monday today and government departments don't work weekends remember.

Of course everything might be fine or he may have to employ a different backroom team. All hypothetical at this point.

Good points.

Personally think this is a ploy to distract us from worrying about signings for as long as possible though. The thing with having no manager is no need for a transfer window thread…

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:59 pm

Wonder if Blakesboots knows the answer

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:04 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 9:52 pm
Brexit, Tory government, to name just 2 reasons .

Don't forget the Daily Mail.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:07 pm

I don't think I'll stop laughing if its some sort of Brexit rule that screws us over

I mean, its not funny at all, but what else can you do?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:07 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 10:04 pm
Don't forget the Daily Mail.

I do try