Jewish group calls for Burnley Football Club to rename Turf Moor's Bob Lord Stand

[bfcjg]

I was contacted on this matter by a journalist for the Jewish Chronicle on 23rd May and tried to explain it to them but the journalist really wasn't for listening.

For me Tony's earlier post on this thread summed it up sometimes there is a non story something buried in the history of it's time, explanations and facts are ignored when a bandwagon can be created and jumped on. It really is a pathetic attempt at stirring for the sake of stirring.
For the record a lot of fans disliked Lord, a lot would like the stand renaming my choice would be the Barry Kilby stand, however Lord is part and parcel of the club and will always be iconic/unique for those of us who were around when he was involved and alive.

[IanMcL]

Bob Lord laid the foundations for Burnley to be great.
We became great.

Leave it alone.

[NottsClaret]

Change it to whatever you want, it'll still be called the Bob Lord in 50 years time. Same as the Longside and Bee Hole.

[Lancasterclaret]

Change it to whatever you want, it'll still be called the Bob Lord in 50 years time. Same as the Longside and Bee Hole.

Exactly

Sell the name to someone for advertising

We get money, we get kudos for changing the name as its problematic, and everyone wins

[claptrappers_union]

Exactly

Sell the name to someone for advertising

We get money, we get kudos for changing the name as its problematic, and everyone wins

We’ll just have to make sure we clear it with Jewish Chronicle and Mr Appleby at St Albans Synagogue first to make sure they are happy with company who want to sponsor it.

[Bullabill]

Your contribution to this thread was to bring up that Bob Lord was a Freemason. I was wondering why you think this has any relevance to the discussion about his past anti-Semitism.

Was there a reason you thought this was relevant or was it just a random comment with no point?

There is a point. The question: how does Freemasonry align with anti-semitism. Given that contributors to this board cover a very wide spectrum of the population I expect that somebody would have a comment to make. People say he was anti-semitic (opinion), and he was a Freemason (fact). Is there a connection?

Oh, and you mention 'his past anti-semitism' as if it's a confimed, established fact. If you know this to be true could you please tell us how?

[Devils_Advocate]

There is a point. The question: how does Freemasonry align with anti-semitism. Given that contributors to this board cover a very wide spectrum of the population I expect that somebody would have a comment to make. People say he was anti-semitic (opinion), and he was a Freemason (fact). Is there a connection?

Oh, and you mention 'his past anti-semitism' as if it's a confimed, established fact. If you know this to be true could you please tell us how?

I mentioned this thread is a discussion of his past anti-Semitism and the anti-Semitic comment he made is on record so yes it is a confirmed and established fact

Im not that bothered about that discussion but just found your post to be a little random. Im not sure why anyone would have any view on how Bob Lord being a Freemason would have any relevance to him making an anti-Semitic remark. That is of course unless someone was trying to pedal the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that the Jewish community was in collusion with the Freemasons to control society and hold power and influence.

Now before I conclude that someone is maybe posting something anti-Semitic I wanted to ask them first hence the question of what the intention of your post was. Now if you say you were just posting a random question then I'm happy to take your word for it and pleased you wasn't looking to imply any link between Freemasons and the Jewish people however I still think is a very random question and don't see why you think people might see some kind of link or connection to him being a Freemason with the respect to the topic of this thread

[Wokingclaret]

"Father Knew Bob Lord"

And he did, not everyone's favorite for sure.

However, the stand should remain named as is, until it is rebuilt.

[Wokingclaret]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-61735583

Now made it to the BBC Football page

[boatshed bill]

i suggest that when they have done as much for Burnley FC as Bob Lord did they may be allowed some say in the matter

[Wokingclaret]

Sadly, not many around now to defend old Bob, which makes it all a farce it being brought up now almost 50 years later.

He didn't want Football matches on a Sunday so that shows you he had some morals.

[bobinho]

Exactly

Sell the name to someone for advertising

We get money, we get kudos for changing the name as its problematic, and everyone wins

Only it isn’t really problematic is it mate? It never has been. Some mard arses want to get upset about summat that was said decades ago, by a man from a different age, that was dealt with by way of an apology, and now that apology doesn’t count anymore even though the man is dead? It’s utterly bizarre, and sadly it’s totally indicative of the society we now live in.

We won’t be able to call it anything, if we are going to behave like this over something long since consigned to the history books.

Leave it be.

[dsr]

It's the same principle that caused Liverpool students to remove the name Gladstone from one of their university buildings. It did not matter what he achieved, because in his early twenties he made a speech supporting slavery and all the rest of his life was subordinate to that.

To some people it does not matter that Bob Lord was long term club chairman of a small club that became great, it does not matter than he was League vice chairman for several years, it does not matter that he did a lot for local football via the Lancashire FA, it does not matter that he was first chairman of the Alliance League (later Conference) and their league cup was named after him. All that matters is that he once made a disparaging remark about Jews. There is no proportionality.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I always thought that Bob Lord was an ignorant man and disagreed with a lot that he did, especially in later years. Naming of the Brunshaw road stand after himself was for me typical crass behaviour of him, especially when it was around the same time that we sold Martin Dobson and Geoff Nulty. So I have no affection for keeping the stands current name.

But this is all such a long time ago and most supporters will not know Bob Lord from James Hargreaves. As said previously on this thread, whatever it is called, people will still call it Bob Lord but maybe would be a good source of income to allow commercial companies to rename it.

[Stayingup]

It's the same principle that caused Liverpool students to remove the name Gladstone from one of their university buildings. It did not matter what he achieved, because in his early twenties he made a speech supporting slavery and all the rest of his life was subordinate to that.

To some people it does not matter that Bob Lord was long term club chairman of a small club that became great, it does not matter than he was League vice chairman for several years, it does not matter that he did a lot for local football via the Lancashire FA, it does not matter that he was first chairman of the Alliance League (later Conference) and their league cup was named after him. All that matters is that he once made a disparaging remark about Jews. There is no proportionality.

Interesting that. The fact that students managed to get off their Smart phones and talk to each other. Rare thing these days apparently.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not typical of the ones I know.

[Burnley Ace]

Perhaps we should ask Liverpool to rethink naming one of their stands after a Colonial battlefield where British troops massacred the local Boers!!!

[2 Bee Holed]

That is of course unless someone was trying to pedal the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that the Jewish community was in collusion with the Freemasons to control society and hold power and influence.

You see, now you have gone and offended me, by suggesting that in some way Freemasons want to control society and hold power and influence.
Where have you heard/read that nonsense?

[Stayingup]

Not typical of the ones I know.

What are you referring too?

If its students Jeremy Vine's radio programme addressed this today and what I said is largely cirrect according to the lonely students themselves.

[helmclaret]

It’s always the ones who’ve never experienced racism themselves who have the most to say on matters like this.

No different to you guys who boo taking the knee for equality.

[Devils_Advocate]

You see, now you have gone and offended me, by suggesting that in some way Freemasons want to control society and hold power and influence.
Where have you heard/read that nonsense?

I haven't suggested that (I know very little about Freemasons and have no opinion on the subject), but what I have made reference too is a conspiracy theory used against Jews which also played on negative connotations towards Freemasons.

These aren't my views and you have every right to get offended by people who pedal this kind of stuff. I was concerned that on a thread about anti-Semitism there was someone potentially being anti-Semitic by bringing up the Freemasons in connection to anti-Semitism.

I am happy the poster has clarified this is not the case and he was just posting a random question

[dougcollins]

I never realised that, amongst everything else, you're also a Freemason DA.

[Corky]

I posted, what I thought was a humorous piece yesterday morning, poking fun at the Jewish Chronicle, but only in a mild way which seems to have been censored. Well at least it looks to have disappeared!! In it I said that I was ambivalent regarding the name of the Stand and that I expected in the fullness of time for it to be renamed (probably after it has been redeveloped) and that was fine by me. Bob Lord was an immensely important person in the history of BFC and as such it is not surprising that a Stand is named after him. Typical of the man that he decided to name it after himself rather than give the honour to Martin Dobson, the sale of whom many believe funded the construction. But any renaming should be done by the Club and should be in the best interests of the Club. We should certainly not bow to pressure from outside.

We are told that History is important because we need to study what has gone before so that we do not make the same mistakes again. It is why I am, in general, opposed to pulling down statues and the like unless there is good cause. If you think about it there must be hundreds of statues in London, practically all of them will be of men, practically all of them will be military figures and practically all of them will be unknown to most of us. If you dig deep enough you are bound to find skeletons in the closet. I believe Nelson had links to the slave trade. As did the monarchy, are we going to get rid of them (well I hope so!!)

But, on a more serious note I read a book by a chap who until relatively recently lived in China. The book was about how the State or the CCP were trying to harmonise society and in effect control everything about the lives of their citizens. A crazy and impossible task you might think. However this guy started asking questions of young adults and in particular what was their view on the massacre at Tiananmen Sq. None of them knew what he was talking about. That is why History is important warts and all.

[Bullabill]

I haven't suggested that (I know very little about Freemasons and have no opinion on the subject), but what I have made reference too is a conspiracy theory used against Jews which also played on negative connotations towards Freemasons.

These aren't my views and you have every right to get offended by people who pedal this kind of stuff. I was concerned that on a thread about anti-Semitism there was someone potentially being anti-Semitic by bringing up the Freemasons in connection to anti-Semitism.

I am happy the poster has clarified this is not the case and he was just posting a random question

Peddle.

[Clarets4me]

I look forward to the Jewish Board of Deputies writing to Newham and South Lanarkshire Councils, both of whom have " Keir Hardie " Primary Schools, to ask them to rename them. North Lanarkshire also has the " Keir Hardie Leisure Centre ". He wrote the following in an editorial in " Labour News " in the early 1900's ...

“Wherever there is trouble in Europe,” it said, “wherever rumours of war circulate and men’s minds are distraught with fear of change and calamity, you may be sure that a hook-nosed Rothschild is at his games somewhere near the region of the disturbances.”

[ClaretTony]

Thank goodness that common sense has prevailed. The Bob Lord Stand remains the Bob Lord Stand.

[Wokingclaret]

Fantastic

[Rowls]

Sensible and welcome news.

[elwaclaret]

I look forward to the Jewish Board of Deputies writing to Newham and South Lanarkshire Councils, both of whom have " Keir Hardie " Primary Schools, to ask them to rename them. North Lanarkshire also has the " Keir Hardie Leisure Centre ". He wrote the following in an editorial in " Labour News " in the early 1900's ...

“Wherever there is trouble in Europe,” it said, “wherever rumours of war circulate and men’s minds are distraught with fear of change and calamity, you may be sure that a hook-nosed Rothschild is at his games somewhere near the region of the disturbances.”

Anti-Jewish stereotypes have been regurgitated throughout history… largely because governments and Royalty turned to moneylenders to finance (usually) wars. Since the first century the easiest, but most expensive ways to get over financial impotency (when credit ratings prevented borrowing from elsewhere) was through the money lenders. Anti-Jewish sentiment was a useful alternative to having to repay those debts; and it was employed from the crown down throughout history… the massacre at York being an early example.

[claptrappers_union]

Thank goodness that common sense has prevailed. The Bob Lord Stand remains the Bob Lord Stand.

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... -statement

[Murger]

What a waste of everyone's time.

[CoolClaret]

This revisionist generation later bullshit is so infuriating.

With all the actual problems in the world people are bringing up minuscule issues from a bloke born 114 years ago - mental

[martin_p]

Do we know if the recent anti-semitism training delivered at the Turf has made Bob Lord more tolerant?

[jos]

PS - how many of us on this board, particularly the older ones, have ever described someone as "jewing" them? I did, for one. Are we all condemned forevermore?

I’m no spring chicken, but I’ve never even heard of that expression never mind understand what it means!

Ps. Andre Gray’s comments saddened me a great deal, I now view him with utter contempt.

[aggi]

Dealt with very sensibly by the club.

[TheFamilyCat]

What a waste of everyone's time.

How much of your time has been wasted?