Wout Weghorst

[jedi_master]

Wood was shocking last season for us, but considering how close we ended up being to staying up I personally believe if we had managed to keep him all season we’d still be a Premier League club.

He just suited our style and the players within the team far more.

[Jambo]

Chris Wood scored 10+ PL goals for us four seasons in a row and some folk will still swear blind this utter dud is an "upgrade". Baffling.

[Lancasterclaret]

Been said before, but worth saying again, replacing Wood with someone who didn't do what Wood did would involve us changing how we play, and when we changed how we played, WW was a lot more effective

The hope was that under a new manager with different ideas, we'd get the best out of him (and others tbf) but if he wants to leave following our relegation, then that is perfectly fine and understandable

[CrosspoolClarets]

The problem with Weghorst is partly his lack of pace and physicality then partly his mentality - he doesn’t look like a 46 (or 38) game grafter, some games he will have the hump or be a bit down on himself, he’s likely to only do it in half the games, at any level.

Basically he isn’t the type of mentality you need in a relegation battle OR a promotion battle, the reasons I thought Leeds and in particular Everton would drop ahead of us was that they are full of players like that and to be fair, Richarlison and Pickford aside who are different class, the others didn’t play well in the final games so I think that logic was true.

We just didn’t get the breaks at the right times but it is noticeable that Jackson must have come to the conclusion that WW couldn’t be relied on, picking Barnes ahead of him, and arguably picking Long ahead of him with that formation in the last game. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe not, but WW didn’t help himself.

[burnleymik]

He seemed an upgrade on Wood for me. Just for his off the ball work and pressing. If Wood wasn't scoring it always seemed like he was hardly in the game at all where as Wout did still have an effect on the game in other areas. The mai problem was we needed goals from him and he didn't produce.

[tiger76]

Chris Wood scored 10+ PL goals for us four seasons in a row and some folk will still swear blind this utter dud is an "upgrade". Baffling.

Wood's goals alone kept us up in at least a couple of those seasons as well, yes he was off form this season, and I wasn't against taking the big offer from Newcastle, the problem is how we wasted £12m on this great big lump called Weghorst.

Even if he did stay, which hopefully he won't, then I'm not convinced he'll score that many in the Championship.

[Lancasterclaret]

The problem with Weghorst is partly his lack of pace and physicality then partly his mentality - he doesn’t look like a 46 (or 38) game grafter, some games he will have the hump or be a bit down on himself, he’s likely to only do it in half the games, at any level.

Basically he isn’t the type of mentality you need in a relegation battle OR a promotion battle, the reasons I thought Leeds and in particular Everton would drop ahead of us was that they are full of players like that and to be fair, Richarlison and Pickford aside who are different class, the others didn’t play well in the final games so I think that logic was true.

We just didn’t get the breaks at the right times but it is noticeable that Jackson must have come to the conclusion that WW couldn’t be relied on, picking Barnes ahead of him, and arguably picking Long ahead of him with that formation in the last game. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe not, but WW didn’t help himself.

It was a mistake

Barnes did a good cameo job of the bench v Watford but thats it

But the Villa home result spooked the management team into stuff that essentially stopped us winning games

I don't blame them btw, they did amazingly well to get us back into a position where we could survive (and its a myriad of reasons, including "not getting the breaks" why we went down)

[Spijed]

Chris Wood scored 10+ PL goals for us four seasons in a row and some folk will still swear blind this utter dud is an "upgrade". Baffling.

I think the problem was that Wood was struggling last season, and it's now become evident he'll struggle to get many more goals at PL level.

[dsr]

There was an entire discussion on this, and most people came to the conclusion that he did everything right, and was just unlucky. It was superb defending from Mings

I think he's just become the latest in a long line of scapegoats

He certainly had his faults, but I agree that wasn't one. Yes, he could quite easily have turned down the apparent open goal and dallied for a bit waiting for the chance when no defender was near, but plenty of certain goals are lost by people trying to make a 99% chance into a 100% chance. Or he could have anticipated that Mings on the left of goal was going to make a stupendous block and instead hit the dshot to the left of goal, where Mings actually was, rather than to the right of goal where he wasn't. But basically, I agree, sometimes the forward does everything right and the defender or keeper does something even better.

[Jambo]

I think it's pretty clear that since we still didn't score any more goals after selling Wood that the problem was not just Wood. He started the season slowly but so did most of the team. He certainly wasn't missing the quality of chances Weghorst wasted at times.

Weghorst clearly has technical ability and his build-up play is better than Wood's but he is incredibly slow and weak, has no interest in the physical battle with defenders, ducks headers despite being literally a giant and appears to have no killer instinct in the box whatsoever.

If we'd been able to keep Wood I think we'd have stayed up - he started seasons slowly and came good before and I'd have backed him to do it again.

[Quickenthetempo]

I think it's pretty clear that since we still didn't score any more goals after selling Wood that the problem was not just Wood. He started the season slowly but so did most of the team. He certainly wasn't missing the quality of chances Weghorst wasted at times.

Weghorst clearly has technical ability and his build-up play is better than Wood's but he is incredibly slow and weak, has no interest in the physical battle with defenders, ducks headers despite being literally a giant and appears to have no killer instinct in the box whatsoever.

If we'd been able to keep Wood I think we'd have stayed up - he started seasons slowly and came good before and I'd have backed him to do it again.

I think you forget how many good chances Wood was missing.
We have created far better the last two years, but as a team, horrendous at shooting.

[warksclaret]

I saw a steady decline in effort and performance from the way he played against United. Its sad we sold Wood-at first it looked like getting VW was a master stroke with his hold up play, however I think in those last 8 games under MJ we might have seen the old Chris Wood back

[Ric_C]

One of the many problems from last season was the Chris Wood of old just didn't turn up, and his replacement missed too many big chances and wasn't the right fit for what we needed at the time.

[ClaretTony]

There was an entire discussion on this, and most people came to the conclusion that he did everything right, and was just unlucky. It was superb defending from Mings

I think he's just become the latest in a long line of scapegoats

Not a scapegoat for me but I will never believe he shouldn't have scored at Villa. He shouldn't have given Mings a chance.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Weghoirst is showing himself up to be the worst kind of gobshite. He's happy enough to deal it out, but can't take it

[tiger76]

Weghoirst is showing himself up to be the worst kind of gobshite. He's happy enough to deal it out, but can't take it

Yes a bad signing in so many ways, thankfully we might yet be able to offload him to Besiktas, and perhaps recoup a fee for him come the end of next season.

I can't see how he's still got a future at TM, given his recent remarks in the media, and most Burnley fans won't shed any tears when he leaves.

[warksclaret]

If he had moved as quickly on the pitch as he did at wanting to tell the media the Championship was not for him and dis-associating himself for next season at Burnley the moment the season ended, he might have been a success

[BurnleyFC]

He’s just a stretched Corrado Grabbi, unfortunately.

[CombatClaret]

Refusing to get vaccinated told you a lot of what he thinks about himself and the good of others.

[bf2k]

Not a scapegoat for me but I will never believe he shouldn't have scored at Villa. He shouldn't have given Mings a chance.

A striker who's deemed good enough to play for the Dutch national team should know how to finish chances like that.

[SalisburyClaret]

Do you honestly believe he was an upgrade on Wood?

For this season - definitely.
Wood scored no more at Newcastle than Weghorst did for us and that’s despite the massive increase in creating chances. Weghorst missed chances- but so did Wood - but his all round play was far more effective.
Wood this season seemed miles off the player of previous years unfortunately

[CrosspoolClarets]

For this season - definitely.
Wood scored no more at Newcastle than Weghorst did for us and that’s despite the massive increase in creating chances. Weghorst missed chances- but so did Wood - but his all round play was far more effective.
Wood this season seemed miles off the player of previous years unfortunately

Not sure about that massive increase bit.

Wood scored 3 for us last season in 1,378 minutes with 1.8 shots per game.
Wood scored 2 for Newcastle in 1,328 minutes with 1.2 shots per game.
Weghorst scored 2 for us in 1,457 minutes with 1.5 shots per game.

Wood won 3 times as many aerials as Weghorst but the latter probably pressed better.

I suspect we would have stayed up even with Wood out of form if he had stayed. We were scuppered below the waterline, which was no doubt Eddie's intention back in January.

[ebby]

He’s Dutch. What more do I need to say, they are all well balanced: they have a chip on either shoulder.

[CoolClaret]

Tbh I think Weghorst as every right to dish it out.

Look at his finish last night and how he was played compared to the utilisation at Burnley.

Had our best results of the season when we played a more fluid, passing game yet we reverted to type, used him as a head on a stick and crappy channel balls…. Then he gets dropped at the crunch end for Barnes

I’d be ****** off if I was him as well

[tiger76]

Tbh I think Weghorst as every right to dish it out.

Look at his finish last night and how he was played compared to the utilisation at Burnley.

Had our best results of the season when we played a more fluid, passing game yet we reverted to type, used him as a head on a stick and crappy channel balls…. Then he gets dropped at the crunch end for Barnes

I’d be ****** off if I was him as well

Well if he was peeved at being dropped the ideal riposte would have been to bag a goal or two on his return, but when the big chances presented themselves he was found sadly lacking, none more so than the crucial evening at Villa.

And it's worth remembering we splashed out £12m on this lad, so he should be able to bury gilt-edged opportunities when he's required too.

Now we've suffered relegation he can't wait to fly the nest, well good riddance in that case, we don't want players who aren't 100% committed to the cause.

[KRBFC]

Not sure about that massive increase bit.

Wood scored 3 for us last season in 1,378 minutes with 1.8 shots per game.
Wood scored 2 for Newcastle in 1,328 minutes with 1.2 shots per game.
Weghorst scored 2 for us in 1,457 minutes with 1.5 shots per game.

Wood won 3 times as many aerials as Weghorst but the latter probably pressed better.

I suspect we would have stayed up even with Wood out of form if he had stayed. We were scuppered below the waterline, which was no doubt Eddie's intention back in January.

Do you remember how poor we were with Wood? you're just making up complete garbage and rewriting history.

[KRBFC]

''That is all well and good, but the rumours for a while have been that he isn’t popular in the dressing room. Roberts hasn’t really dispelled that notion tonight. Reading between several lines and the club may want him out as much as he may want to himself.
Top''

''I suspect we would have stayed up even with Wood out of form if he had stayed. ''

''that celebration was the Besiktas claw thing.''


Seriously? making up rumours he wasn't popular, then pretending Conor Roberts acting like a d!ckhead somehow proves Wout wasn't popular. Maybe Roberts was one of the problems in the dressing room with a reaction like that?

Besiktas claw?

[boyyanno]

I honestly think Weghorst is just an example of terrible recruitment, that's where the book should stop on this one imo.

Ultimately we signed a striker for 10-12m (less than half of what we got for Wood) and it looks like we got what we paid for: Someone who will score a few goals, is technically a good footballer, but is incredibly slow. He isn't suited to the PL and certainly didn't suit our playing style. I find it hard to point any blame at him given we were probably worse before he signed.

I'm kind of not surprised he doesn't want to play in the Championship. If my boss suddenly told me that the buisness hadn't preformed well so we lost some contracts and I had to take a significant pay cut then I'd be applying for jobs as soon as I got home.

The guy might be a mercenary, but he's probably way down the list of things we should be arsed about right now. Let's cut our losses and let the manager sign the players he wants.

Hope it's a mistake that Alan Pace will learn from.

[Belgianclaret]

Not fussed whether WW stays or not.

On the other hand, can’t blame him for riposting to Roberts’ somewhat frustrated reaction.

To think all players in our camp are the best of friends is simply naive

[RVclaret]

Weghorst also decided to start following Blackburn Rovers on Instagram.

Is he on the wind up or what?

Really hope we can get him out by the time pre season comes round.

[gandhisflipflop]

Weghorst also decided to start following Blackburn Rovers on Instagram.

Is he on the wind up or what?

Really hope we can get him out by the time pre season comes round.

Honestly?

[RVclaret]

Honestly?

Yep.

We don't want his attitude stinking the place.

We need a fresh start under the new manager.

[BabylonClaret]

Roberts' reaction is a but unprofessional but frankly I think it shows the frustration that some of the squad feel.

I think if we get anything decent back on him we will lucky and we should snap their hand off.

File under Vossen

[BurnleyFC]

Roberts' reaction is a but unprofessional but frankly I think it shows the frustration that some of the squad feel.

I think if we get anything decent back on him we will lucky and we should snap their hand off.

File under Vossen

At least Vossen wasn’t a **** unlike this stick insect.

[RVclaret]

If someone offers 8m we should deal and immediately get on the phone to Bayern Munich for Joshua Zirkzee.

21 years old, 15 goals and 8 assists for Anderlecht last season.

Kompany might need to convince him but we could triple our money on him over the next season or two - especially if he helps fire us back up.

[Paul Waine]

He’s Dutch. What more do I need to say, they are all well balanced: they have a chip on either shoulder.

I lived in Netherlands several years ago. The Dutch have a tradition. Every year, as part of their Saint Nicholas celebrations, work colleagues (it may also happen between Dutch family members) )buy each other a (quite large) chocolate letter, the receiver's initial. The gift is accompanied by a poem which details all the recipient's faults and shortcomings through the past year and what they should seek to improve in the following year. It was said that the Dutch personality gives them permission to criticise everyone else (I don't think this is necessarily true).

My view: Wout Weghorst is a good footballer. It was great to see him score at Brighton. He put a lot of effort into his game, impressive pressing stats. Stepping up to the Premier League isn't easy and, more so, in a team that isn't achieving results (except for that short run), needing to get to know new partners and a new style. I can imagine that, when Wout was signed he was hesitant about joining a club that was in the bottom three, more so in a world cup year, when he has ambitions to play for his national team. It's easy to see that he would ask what would happen if the club was relegated, especially with the pay cut relegation clause (maybe even below his wage in Germany) and discussions would be had about him going out on loan, with the club hoping to retain his contract if a quick return to Premier League was achieved. I can imagine as the new guy, joining mis-season, it was harder for him to fit in, more so when the club was heading to a situation when Sean Dyche and all the coaching staff would leave. So, Connor Roberts and Wout Weghorst may not be "best mates." If Connor Roberts had said something negative to Wout Weghorst, it's Connor who has done the wrong thing. Weghorst scored a great goal for Netherlands. I'd hope we can look forward to a time when he'd be scoring great goals for Burnley.

[superdimitri]

Tbh I think Weghorst as every right to dish it out.

Look at his finish last night and how he was played compared to the utilisation at Burnley.

Had our best results of the season when we played a more fluid, passing game yet we reverted to type, used him as a head on a stick and crappy channel balls…. Then he gets dropped at the crunch end for Barnes

I’d be ****** off if I was him as well

Yup, we failed to adapt to his strengths.
But then again, perhaps it was just a bad signing if we couldn't adapt.

I think most people agreed he was an upgrade on Wood but it came at a risk of loosing him when relegated.
To be fair, Wood wanted to move on part I'm sure because of the risk of spending another year in the Championship himself.

Don't really see what's wrong with Roberts reaction. If a player makes it clear he wants to leave it's never gonna go down well with his teammates.

Maybe they know what we don't and there's no clause, just a choice.

Either way, it's lack of man management. New boss needs to get in and sit down with Weghorst and see if anything can be done. If not, we need to recoup what we can and move on.

[dougcollins]

He’s Dutch. What more do I need to say, they are all well balanced: they have a chip on either shoulder.

I always have that in mind- the worst enemy the Dutch players have is themselves.

[clive40golf]

Listening to Kevin Campbell talking about his transfer to trabzonspor, KC knew it was time for him to leave, but his Dutch strike partner found it very difficult. So difficult that he refused to play for Nottingham Forest again ( Pierre Van Hooijdonk). I think a previous contributor had it right when he stated that Dutch people always think it’s about them and can’t understand their failures.

[Rileybobs]

Great to see that not even this thread is safe from the racial stereotypes.

[Elizabeth]

Yup, we failed to adapt to his strengths.
But then again, perhaps it was just a bad signing if we couldn't adapt.

I think most people agreed he was an upgrade on Wood but it came at a risk of loosing him when relegated.
To be fair, Wood wanted to move on part I'm sure because of the risk of spending another year in the Championship himself.

Don't really see what's wrong with Roberts reaction. If a player makes it clear he wants to leave it's never gonna go down well with his teammates.

Maybe they know what we don't and there's no clause, just a choice.

Either way, it's lack of man management. New boss needs to get in and sit down with Weghorst and see if anything can be done. If not, we need to recoup what we can and move on.

He turned out to be a bad signing despite him getting the advantage of a decent start to his Burnley career. He most definitely is not an upgrade on Wood. That was just an initial illusion.

The player clearly thinks he is a better player than what most of us have seen. The sooner we get rid the better in my opinion.

Watched Roberts reaction in the Holland game and thought good on him. Hopefully that's an indication that he is going to give it everything next season to get us back on the up again

[Raconteur]

Are we classing that as a cross? I guess it says a lot about his season as a right back when that's the moment used to defend his performances, in the 6 yard box on the left hand side.

As disappointing as Weghorst was for us, that one is more about Mings defending than anything Weghorst did.

It was classed as a cross because that is exactly what it was.

[Elizabeth]

Great to see that not even this thread is safe from the racial stereotypes.

There was always going to be someone bringing the race card into this thread . No surprise

[Raconteur]

Are you new to football?

Burnley fans siding with a Burnley player against a player who wants away.

Hold the back page, we have an exclusive.

KRBC must be new to football. Talks too much while knowing f**k all.

Reminds me of that Kev Robinson who used to post. Also knew f**k but never shut up

[Raconteur]

Not a scapegoat for me but I will never believe he shouldn't have scored at Villa. He shouldn't have given Mings a chance.

Totally agree. He just tried to roll it into the goal along the floor. Any striker worthy would have absolutely smashed that chance into the back of the net

[KRBFC]

KRBC must be new to football. Talks too much while knowing f**k all.

Reminds me of that Kev Robinson who used to post. Also knew f**k but never shut up

You can't even put a sentence together, you're using a full stop all wrong.

[Rileybobs]

There was always going to be someone bringing the race card into this thread . No surprise

Couldn’t agree more. No idea what his nationality has to do with anything but not a surprise to see people going down the lazy stereotype route.

[Raconteur]

I lived in Netherlands several years ago. The Dutch have a tradition. Every year, as part of their Saint Nicholas celebrations, work colleagues (it may also happen between Dutch family members) )buy each other a (quite large) chocolate letter, the receiver's initial. The gift is accompanied by a poem which details all the recipient's faults and shortcomings through the past year and what they should seek to improve in the following year. It was said that the Dutch personality gives them permission to criticise everyone else (I don't think this is necessarily true).

My view: Wout Weghorst is a good footballer. It was great to see him score at Brighton. He put a lot of effort into his game, impressive pressing stats. Stepping up to the Premier League isn't easy and, more so, in a team that isn't achieving results (except for that short run), needing to get to know new partners and a new style. I can imagine that, when Wout was signed he was hesitant about joining a club that was in the bottom three, more so in a world cup year, when he has ambitions to play for his national team. It's easy to see that he would ask what would happen if the club was relegated, especially with the pay cut relegation clause (maybe even below his wage in Germany) and discussions would be had about him going out on loan, with the club hoping to retain his contract if a quick return to Premier League was achieved. I can imagine as the new guy, joining mis-season, it was harder for him to fit in, more so when the club was heading to a situation when Sean Dyche and all the coaching staff would leave. So, Connor Roberts and Wout Weghorst may not be "best mates." If Connor Roberts had said something negative to Wout Weghorst, it's Connor who has done the wrong thing. Weghorst scored a great goal for Netherlands. I'd hope we can look forward to a time when he'd be scoring great goals for Burnley.

I would say Wout refusing to shake Roberts hand kicked it all off, so the reality is that Wout did something negative to Roberts first.

[TheFamilyCat]

Great to see that not even this thread is safe from the racial stereotypes.

Has someone accused Wout of being a stoned brothel owner?

[boatshed bill]

At least Vossen wasn’t a **** unlike this stick insect.

"Stick Insect" i had to laugh