Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Mattster]

Right, I'll add a centre half who played for Morecambe in League One

All this doesn't suggest a push for promotion, with all the will in the world though!

Well you were doing down one who had a successful loan in League 2 whilst ignoring the one who had a successful spell in the league above.

But why doesn't it suggest promotion? Getting the best, young players from the level below and adding them to our squad which has mid to lower level Premier League / top level Championship players in it already. Along with adding top Championship players to the squad like Jed Wallace, for example, is enough to challenge for promotion in my opinion.

That it also either sorts our financial issues out in the short or long term is a good thing.

[ClaretTony]

Isn't that the case for the majority of relegated teams from the Prem? There is also the added pressure from the players themselves looking to stay in the Prem and to protect their income.It is nothing new and anyone who thinks we could keep the squad intact is deluded.
However to blame it squarely on the way Pace bought the club is also wrong and just suits the narrative.

On the flip side..if a lot of these rumours prove to be true..then I am struggling to think of a relegated club which will have undergone such a big change in playing staff.

The post you have quoted was a reply to someone else and at no point was I blaming anyone. I can only assume you’ve misunderstood it.

[KRBFC]

Well you were doing down one who had a successful loan in League 2 whilst ignoring the one who had a successful spell in the league above.

But why doesn't it suggest promotion? Getting the best, young players from the level below and adding them to our squad which has mid to lower level Premier League / top level Championship players in it already. Along with adding top Championship players to the squad like Jed Wallace, for example, is enough to challenge for promotion in my opinion.

That it also either sorts our financial issues out in the short or long term is a good thing.

Where are the top level Championship players?

[KRBFC]

If we lose Mcneil, Cornet, Collins and Pope, All I see left is a bunch of bang average players.

[Mattster]

Where are the top level Championship players?

In our squad? Of those that there's a chance they stay - McNeil, Brownhill, Jay, Taylor, Roberts and Cork are all easily top level Championship or better and fit the system Kompany wants to play. Gudmundsson, Westwood, Vydra too when they recover from injury. Then players like Barnes, Lowton and Hennessey would be but don't necessarily fit the system.

We add some more to those along with the best prospects we can and we have a team that can push for promotion from the Championship.

[RVclaret]

Where are the top level Championship players?

Shall we let them do their transfer business?

For a start, though, Jed Wallace (if he signs) and Dwight McNeil as inside wingers and Roberts and Taylor as wing backs would be ‘top end Championship’ without a doubt.

[KRBFC]

In our squad? Of those that there's a chance they stay - McNeil, Brownhill, Jay, Taylor, Roberts and Cork are all easily top level Championship or better and fit the system Kompany wants to play. Gudmundsson, Westwood, Vydra too when they recover from injury. Then players like Barnes, Lowton and Hennessey would be but don't necessarily fit the system.

We add some more to those along with the best prospects we can and we have a team that can push for promotion from the Championship.

Gumundsson and Rodriguez? lmao

[Lancasterclaret]

Well you were doing down one who had a successful loan in League 2 whilst ignoring the one who had a successful spell in the league above.

But why doesn't it suggest promotion? Getting the best, young players from the level below and adding them to our squad which has mid to lower level Premier League / top level Championship players in it already. Along with adding top Championship players to the squad like Jed Wallace, for example, is enough to challenge for promotion in my opinion.

That it also either sorts our financial issues out in the short or long term is a good thing.

It wasn't meant to be a positive tweet mate!

Its highlighting how limited we are at Centre half for an alleged promotion campaign (apologies to Bobby Thomas whose name I forgot)

They might be brilliant at this level, but they might not as well, and they have some ridiculously big boots to fill

I'm all for looking at a positive spin on things, but Long, Bedeau and Thomas are our current centre half options, and there isn't a way I can spin that positively in anyway

Of course we are awaiting who is coming in btw, but we are linked with potential

The championship is a very tough league, and a team full of potential and a crowd and a board who want promotion is a recipe that has the potential to go badly wrong

[RVclaret]

Gumundsson and Rodriguez? lmao

You do know Billy Sharp scored 16 goals for Sheff United last season? And Cameron Jerome was part of Luton’s attack that secured the play offs.

[KRBFC]

You do know Billy Sharp scored 16 goals for Sheff United last season? And Cameron Jerome was part of Luton’s attack that secured the play offs.

Billy Sharp has probably outscored Rodriguez in 90% of seasons both played.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You do know Billy Sharp scored 16 goals for Sheff United last season? And Cameron Jerome was part of Luton’s attack that secured the play offs.

The jealousy shown to Rodriguez is just weird. Some just don't like a local lad having done well for himself.

Why do I feel the shortest ever break between seasons could feel like the longest

[RVclaret]

Billy Sharp has probably outscored Rodriguez in 90% of seasons both played.

He’s played most of his career in the Championship, maybe that’s why. For a supposed football expert, to not pick up on the most obvious, huge gulf in class between the two leagues is pretty poor.

[Somethingfishy]

The post you have quoted was a reply to someone else and at no point was I blaming anyone. I can only assume you’ve misunderstood it.

Sorry Tony, I wasn't calling you out for any anti-Pace narrative. I was just talking in general that some people are using the sale of players to suit that narrative.
It was more a reply based on your mention of financial reasons.

[Mattster]

Gumundsson and Rodriguez? lmao

Yes.

Jay always scores when we play EFL opposition and last time he was in the division he bagged 22 goals (14 non-penalty). He's a top end player at this level.

Gudmundsson I admit there could be question marks on him post injury, but if he gets back to full fitness he'd be a top end Championship player.

I think some people seriously overrate the level of the Championship. It's a competitive, exciting league, but quality-wise it's way short of the Premier League.

[boyyanno]

The jealousy shown to Rodriguez is just weird. Some just don't like a local lad having done well for himself.

Why do I feel the shortest ever break between seasons could feel like the longest

Rodriguez has only really had one prolific season in his whole career, and that was 4 years ago when he was 28 and in his prime. He's 32 now, scored 3 goals in his last 60 games for us and you wonder why people doubt he is the man to fire us to promotion?

[KRBFC]

He’s played most of his career in the Championship, maybe that’s why. For a supposed football expert, to not pick up on the most obvious, huge gulf in class between the two leagues is pretty poor.

Sharp last time in the PL had 3 goals in 16 games. Rodriguez has 3 PL goals in his last 60 PL games.

[KRBFC]

Yes.

Jay always scores when we play EFL opposition and last time he was in the division he bagged 22 goals (14 non-penalty). He's a top end player at this level.

Gudmundsson I admit there could be question marks on him post injury, but if he gets back to full fitness he'd be a top end Championship player.

I think some people seriously overrate the level of the Championship. It's a competitive, exciting league, but quality-wise it's way short of the Premier League.

Rodriguez in his prime scored 14 non pen goals? 5 years later, how many is he getting? he has 3 goals in his last 60 games.

You're obviously just trolling to even mention Gudmundsson, what a joke

[Smile]

I think some people seriously overrate the level of the Championship. It's a competitive, exciting league, but quality-wise it's way short of the Premier League.

Amazes me too. I watched games most weekends last season and to say Huddersfield finished 3rd, I thought they were bang average.

[KRBFC]

Amazes me too. I watched games most weekends last season and to say Huddersfield finished 3rd, I thought they were bang average.

Their 2nd string beat our first 11 pretty easily in the FA Cup.

[NewClaret]

Vincent Kompany also admitted that’s a given when you are relegated. Every player has a price. As long as we aren’t selling on the cheap, it is what it is, Collins is an outstanding talent and probably too good for the Champ.

Thought it worth sharing Pace’s exact words on the subject:

"There are not the same opportunities in the Championship," he said. "At the same time there are players who are not going to play in the Championship. Financially it would have a big impact on us. It would have at least a significant one to think about what we do, does that mean some players get sold? Yes.

"But I think that is not just a financial issue, it is also a player issue. I think everyone of your readers could point to four or five of our players and say ‘how on earth could they play in the Championship?’ You could understand that."

Seems pretty level headed to me and as much about the players as the financial situation.

[Steddyman]

We should sell Collins to West Ham and take Craig Dawson in part exchange. He could more than do a job for us and bring experience to the younger players. He may even be out of contract his season.

[RVclaret]

Their 2nd string beat our first 11 pretty easily in the FA Cup.

Was far from our first 11 and the second half it was their first 11 v our 2nd eleven, but don’t let the facts get in the way

[Mattster]

Billy Sharp has probably outscored Rodriguez in 90% of seasons both played.

They've only played at the same level in the same season twice in the last 5 years.

19/20 - EPL
Jay 8 goals
Sharp 3 goals

18/19 - Championship
Jay 22 goals
Sharp 23 goals

[KRBFC]

Was far from our first 11 and the second half it was their first 11 v our 2nd eleven, but don’t let the facts get in the way

How was it not our first 11? It was our strongest possible side.

[RVclaret]

Thought it worth sharing Pace’s exact words on the subject:

"There are not the same opportunities in the Championship," he said. "At the same time there are players who are not going to play in the Championship. Financially it would have a big impact on us. It would have at least a significant one to think about what we do, does that mean some players get sold? Yes.

"But I think that is not just a financial issue, it is also a player issue. I think everyone of your readers could point to four or five of our players and say ‘how on earth could they play in the Championship?’ You could understand that."

Seems pretty level headed to me and as much about the players as the financial situation.

Thanks yes I thought it was along these lines and wasn’t simply because of the ‘financial state of the club’.

[Lancasterclaret]

Thought it worth sharing Pace’s exact words on the subject:

"There are not the same opportunities in the Championship," he said. "At the same time there are players who are not going to play in the Championship. Financially it would have a big impact on us. It would have at least a significant one to think about what we do, does that mean some players get sold? Yes.

"But I think that is not just a financial issue, it is also a player issue. I think everyone of your readers could point to four or five of our players and say ‘how on earth could they play in the Championship?’ You could understand that."

Seems pretty level headed to me and as much about the players as the financial situation.

All fine, but selling those players (which I don't disagree with btw for exactly the same reasons stated by AP) is great as long as we replace

[RVclaret]

How was it not our first 11? It was our strongest possible side.

It wasn’t though was it, Lowton at left back? Brownhill left wing? Stephens CM?

Even then, We were winning 1-0 at HT. Wood went off. We had Jay and Lennon up top. Cork came on and we had 4 centre midfielders in midfield and a small right winger up front, and right back at left back. But it was our strongest possible side? Try harder.

[Rileybobs]

I can’t believe we’re going to sell all of our players and not sign any new ones. What a disaster.

[KRBFC]

Only 5 of that Huddersfield team who started vs us, started the Play off final at Wembley.

Our team was, Pope, Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Bardsley, Lennon, Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood, Wood, Rodriguez.

Our strongest possible team, here are our available subs: Cork, Dodgeson, Long, Hennessey, Helm, Mcglynn, Thomas.

The only argument you could make is Cork for Stephens, aside from that it was our strongest available 11.

[Lancasterclaret]

I can’t believe we’re going to sell all of our players and not sign any new ones. What a disaster.

Made me giggle at least!

But we are selling very good players and are being linked with potentially very good players

I just hope we get the balance right between potential and players who can do the job to scrap out the 1-0 win when we are not playing well, as that is essentially the basis of doing well in the championship

[Quickenthetempo]

We should sell Collins to West Ham and take Craig Dawson in part exchange. He could more than do a job for us and bring experience to the younger players. He may even be out of contract his season.

West Ham have just signed a defender for 30m from France.

[Rileybobs]

Made me giggle at least!

But we are selling very good players and are being linked with potentially very good players

I just hope we get the balance right between potential and players who can do the job to scrap out the 1-0 win when we are not playing well, as that is essentially the basis of doing well in the championship

It will be interesting to see. But we must remember that newspaper links probably have less than a 5% success rate. Partly because a huge number will be completely fabricated by the journalist, and partly because player transfers are complicated deals.

The way some are going on here is that pretty much every one of our decent players will be sold and either not replaced, or replaced with league one players. That obviously won’t be the case.

[jedi_master]

I found the Jay v Sharp talk interesting, thought I’d look up the comparison there.

Historical Championship records:

Jay Rodriguez: 156 games, 54 goals
Billy Sharp: 361 games, 128 goals

Pretty similar goals to game ratio I’d say, which bodes well as Rodriguez is 4 years younger. I will caveat that statement by saying that Sharp has had a bit of an Indian summer since he returned to Bramall Lane, whereas Rodriguez has been a case of diminishing returns after his first season back with us (albeit, in the Premier League). It will be interesting to see how he does this season - he is a proven 1 in 3 man at this level and should expect to get 15.

[Mattster]

Only 5 of that Huddersfield team who started vs us, started the Play off final at Wembley.

Our team was, Pope, Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Bardsley, Lennon, Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood, Wood, Rodriguez.

Our strongest possible team, here are our available subs: Cork, Dodgeson, Long, Hennessey, Helm, Mcglynn, Thomas.

The only argument you could make is Cork for Stephens, aside from that it was our strongest available 11.

"Strongest available 11" is very different thing to a "first 11". We made 5 changes of personnel (7 if you include position changes) from the league game the week before and were at the start of our covid outbreak.

[RVclaret]

Only 5 of that Huddersfield team who started vs us, started the Play off final at Wembley.

Our team was, Pope, Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Bardsley, Lennon, Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood, Wood, Rodriguez.

Our strongest possible team, here are our available subs: Cork, Dodgeson, Long, Hennessey, Helm, Mcglynn, Thomas.

The only argument you could make is Cork for Stephens, aside from that it was our strongest available 11.

You are really struggling with this one aren’t you.

Now you’ve changed to strongest available 11.

Huddersfield brought on 3 key players in the second half. First half we were winning 1-0.

Second half We had 4 cms in midfield, a left back at right back and winger upfront.

Oh and it’s the cup. By your logic, Bournemouth should not have been promoted this season as they lost to non league Boreham Wood.

[Smile]

"Strongest available 11" is very different thing to a "first 11". We made 5 changes of personnel (7 if you include position changes) from the league game the week before and were at the start of our covid outbreak.

Exactly. I was (obviously) talking about how Huddersfield was last season (over the entire season) and how they looked very ordinary even though they finished 3rd and at one point looked like automatic was going to be a possibility — emphasising how weak the Championship is.

[Somethingfishy]

Only 5 of that Huddersfield team who started vs us, started the Play off final at Wembley.

Our team was, Pope, Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Bardsley, Lennon, Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood, Wood, Rodriguez.

Our strongest possible team, here are our available subs: Cork, Dodgeson, Long, Hennessey, Helm, Mcglynn, Thomas.

The only argument you could make is Cork for Stephens, aside from that it was our strongest available 11.

From memory we were one up at half time despite not playing that well. Wood also went off at half time with a knock and i think we tried to play a false nine system. Gradually they brought on their first team and we took off ours. So that coupled with an unfamiliar system contributed to the second half collapse.Once momentum shifted their way we struggled to lay a glove on them. It was very disappointing granted but we really didn't take it seriously I didn't think...as was usually the case under Dyche in the cups.

[KRBFC]

You are really struggling with this one aren’t you.

Now you’ve changed to strongest available 11.

Huddersfield brought on 3 key players in the second half. First half we were winning 1-0.

Second half We had 4 cms in midfield, a left back at right back and winger upfront.

Oh and it’s the cup. By your logic, Bournemouth should not have been promoted this season as they lost to non league Boreham Wood.

I think you are the one struggling with this, as usual.

It was our strongest available 11 on the day.

You should stick to brown nosing Pace and pushing the KRBFC scouting recommendations in Zirkzee.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Fulham only went with about 7 of the main 11 who were relegated. Bournemouth, in taking a year longer, had fewer than that. So some turnover in players is to be expected. We were far better than Fulham, the table proves it, and thus we have more players attractive to other clubs. It’s the nature of it.

The key is the % of outgoing fees to reinvest. If that is 50%, we will be in great shape. If it is 10%, we will be in deep doo doo. Likely it will be in between.

Sadly rumours initially are going to be about outgoings on the whole.

[KRBFC]

From memory we were one up at half time despite not playing that well. Wood also went off at half time with a knock and i think we tried to play a false nine system. Gradually they brought on their first team and we took off ours. So that coupled with an unfamiliar system contributed to the second half collapse.Once momentum shifted their way we struggled to lay a glove on them. It was very disappointing granted but we really didn't take it seriously I didn't think...as was usually the case under Dyche in the cups.

I don't know what that shower of shite was tbh. We were missing some players but so were they, absolutely awful it was. I think some people need a reality check, criticising Championship teams like we're gonna turn up and roll the league, we've been a poor football side for a long long time too.

[RVclaret]

I think you are the one struggling with this, as usual.

It was our strongest available 11 on the day.

You should stick to brown nosing Pace and pushing the KRBFC scouting recommendations in Zirkzee.

Oh so now it’s changed to ‘strongest available 11 on the day’.

This is a rapidly evolving situation.

[NewClaret]

All fine, but selling those players (which I don't disagree with btw for exactly the same reasons stated by AP) is great as long as we replace

Yes, and I agreed with your earlier post that if the plan is to sell some of these players for £40m and buy £1m replacements I’ll be furious.

[quoonbeatz]

Jay's 3 goals in his last 60 games is a meaningless stat. He started less than half of those 60 games in a team that wasn't exactly renowned for creating loads of chances.

At a lower level, he'll be fine. Would I be relying on him to fire us to promotion. No. Had too many injuries.

[Somethingfishy]

I don't know what that shower of shite was tbh. We were missing some players but so were they, absolutely awful it was. I think some people need a reality check, criticising Championship teams like we're gonna turn up and roll the league, we've been a poor football side for a long long time too.

I do tend to agree. I was critical of those who claimed we would walk the Championship with our squad as it was. Certainly from an attacking perspective we would have been woefully short..and bullied even more in midfield.
However we did have plenty of experience. We will certainly need a reasonably experienced CB in there. If we go with Harwood-Bellis and McNally I'd be worried despite their obvious talents. I certainly see where Lancaster is coming from.

[BurnleyHeff]

I thought this was to talk about transfer rumours, yet quite a few conversations really off topic

[KRBFC]

When Dyche was here, I predicted we'd get relegated and be fighting relegation in the Championship. We looked more like a Blackburn, Bolton, Southampton, Sunderland, a squad full of old players who are still living on success from 4 years ago. I think we'll be fine with VK because the Dyche rot has gone, I'm not convinced we're set up for a return to the PL though. From the players linked, we appear to be targeting a different kind of young player than the one I expected.

I was hoping for Zirkzee, Vinicius Souza, Amuzu, Vrioni, Verschaeren, Sergio Gomez, Muleka, Flemming, Szymanksi types, more established young players around Europe who've performed very well and might cost £5-10m.

Instead we don't seem to have much of anything money wise available, so scraps, loans and huge punts on youngsters who are less established.

[Steddyman]

I thought this was to talk about transfer rumours, yet quite a few conversations really off topic

Was just going to post the same. Plenty of other threads for discussion not related to Rumours / Links.

[RVclaret]

Instead we don't seem to have much of anything money wise available, so scraps, loans and huge punts on youngsters who are less established.

How have you come to this conclusion on the 20th June?

We are yet to sell a key playing asset, which maybe required to release some funds for the players you talk about.

If Pope, Cornet and Collins go and we still look to be not bothering with those types then I’ll be equally disappointed.

[claretspice]

Seems to me that this summer, above all others, is one to close your eyes, go to sleep and wake up when the action's ready to start again. Because none of us have a clue what the summer is going to bring and how weak or strong we'll be at the end of it either financially or sportingly.

News that teams want Collins is not a surprise. He's been a talked about prospect for 2-3 years, it's just we won the race for him last summer and since then he's proved himself to have the tools to be a very fine Premier League player in time. The question was always going to be not if there's interest in him, but more whether he's interested in leaving, and whether that interest is sufficient for a fee to force a sale through.

That equation is repeated in about 4 other cases too. Maybe we'll lose the lot, in which case the rebuilding job is bigger than ideal. More likely 2-3 will go and others will stay, perhaps players we thought we would lose. It all depends on loads of things, not all in the club's control. If all those players go, then - even allowing for the debt issues - it ought to leave a reasonable budget for squad strengthening.

All of this is unsettling, but for these reasons the news about incomings and outgoings on the transfer front seems to me to not be at the top of the worry list right now. I'm more interested in the fact that no details of pre-season have yet landed, and Kompany's backroom team has not been announced. There may be a good reason for that, but if not then that, rather than the merry-go-round on the playing side, seems to me to be the biggest indicator of drift right now.

[KRBFC]

How have you come to this conclusion on the 20th June?

We are yet to sell a key playing asset, which maybe required to release some funds for the players you talk about.

If Pope, Cornet and Collins go and we still look to be not bothering with those types then I’ll be equally disappointed.

VK's interview with the Burnley Express, our financial position, the players linked. We'll see I guess, I found these quotes interesting though...

''because the budgets we're in will not allow us to probably bring in the seasoned guys''

''undervalued young players with a big future ahead and creating value through them''

The list of players I mentioned are well known young players around Europe, some at big clubs and been out on loans. Some play international football, Vrioni broke into the Albanian squad, Syzmanski was playing for Poland during the recent fixtures.